The Book is out on Bohl

[lakeside]

Starting at the 9:05 mark in the press conference after the game Bohl says as much himself. Watching the game yesterday you could see the linebackers adjusting the d line alignment, and meeting the back in the hole time and time again. Frankly I feel at NDSU Bohl was able to attract top talent which made up for the ability of opposing coaches to know exactly what NDSU would run offensively. Yesterday a coach that had went up against that NDSU program many times had the upper hand with a senior laden team versus a very young Wyoming team. UND also had the upper hand knowing exactly what Wyoming would run scheme wise which lead to the trip behind the wood shed we witnessed yesterday.
Moving forward being honest Wyoming will never have the better players versus the teams in conference we face on a regular basis, and if the book is out on the schemes Bohl will try to run well I think it is pretty obvious what to expect. Change is a hard thing and listening to Bohl I don't hear a coach that is willing to make a wholesale change to the playbook.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97T9eq6p9Mg[/youtube]

 

[Yabadabadoo]

Starting at the 9:05 mark in the press conference after the game Bohl says as much himself. Watching the game yesterday you could see the linebackers adjusting the d line alignment, and meeting the back in the hole time and time again. Frankly I feel at NDSU Bohl was able to attract top talent which made up for the ability of opposing coaches to know exactly what NDSU would run offensively. Yesterday a coach that had went up against that NDSU program many times had the upper hand with a senior laden team versus a very young Wyoming team. UND also had the upper hand knowing exactly what Wyoming would run scheme wise which lead to the trip behind the wood shed we witnessed yesterday.
Moving forward being honest Wyoming will never have the better players versus the teams in conference we face on a regular basis, and if the book is out on the schemes Bohl will try to run well I think it is pretty obvious what to expect. Change is a hard thing and listening to Bohl I don't hear a coach that is willing to make a wholesale change to the playbook.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97T9eq6p9Mg[/youtube]

You're saying that Bohl and his staff cannot/will not improve the talent level over the next 1-3-5 years?

 

[cali2wyo]

So how do you explain us trashing Fresno last year? Our play calling was similar to every game leading up to it, and I guarantee the coaches for Fresno were aware of hill's individual ability. Yet we smoked them playing our style. Bohl has the potential to make good players make great plays.

Sure, we don't have the talent to be that dominant every drive of every game. The long term solution is to develop players and recruit guys who can fit into a certain role. The short term solution may be to throw in different looks at times and occasionally play at a different tempo (which is what I thought the approach should have been last year to allow our spread-style players to play to their strengths while still learning a new offense).

 

[ragtimejoe1]

He actually has a decent point. I'm still in the camp that thinks Bohl will be okay. With that said, my concern has always been his system at WYO. Will it work consistently when other teams have more talent than you? That is what we are facing. I didn't disagree with Burman when he brought in DC and said we needed the spread to neutralize superior talent. The pro-style O and Standard were/are my biggest worries with Bohl. I'm definitely giving him time, but to me, those are hurdles that he isn't guaranteed to jump.

 

[laxwyo]

So, we're back to wanting the spread already ?

 

[Yabadabadoo]

ND looked pretty damn impressive yesterday running the exact kind of an offense that Bohl wants to run with Wyoming.

WE NEED MORE PLAYERS.

Period.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

So, we're back to wanting the spread already ?

I didn't say that. I said I didn't disagree with Burman when he said WYO needed something unique and something to offset superior talent. I didn't say we should go back.

I'm onboard with Bohl and his system. I just said that his system against superior talent has been a worry for me.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

ND looked pretty damn impressive yesterday running the exact kind of an offense that Bohl wants to run with Wyoming.

WE NEED MORE PLAYERS.

Period.

They wouldn't have against most of the MWC.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

ND looked pretty damn impressive yesterday running the exact kind of an offense that Bohl wants to run with Wyoming.

WE NEED MORE PLAYERS.

Period.

They wouldn't have against most of the MWC.

That's a hypothetical that I don't believe can be answered with any true clarity.

Then there's this if you mention other MWC teams --> we are not a very good football team. Yet.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

ND looked pretty damn impressive yesterday running the exact kind of an offense that Bohl wants to run with Wyoming.

WE NEED MORE PLAYERS.

Period.

They wouldn't have against most of the MWC.

That's a hypothetical that I don't believe can be answered with any true clarity.

Then there's this if you mention other MWC teams --> we are not a very good football team. Yet.

If middle to upper big sky is better than most MWC teams, then holy shit. The MWC is the worst FBS conference maybe ever. OK, some of the Sun Belt years were bad but you get the idea. This is a terribly embarrassing loss... No sugarcoating it.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

ND looked pretty damn impressive yesterday running the exact kind of an offense that Bohl wants to run with Wyoming.

WE NEED MORE PLAYERS.

Period.

They wouldn't have against most of the MWC.

That's a hypothetical that I don't believe can be answered with any true clarity.

Then there's this if you mention other MWC teams --> we are not a very good football team. Yet.

If middle to upper big sky is better than most MWC teams, then holy shit. The MWC is the worst FBS conference maybe ever. OK, some of the Sun Belt years were bad but you get the idea. This is a terribly embarrassing loss... No sugarcoating it.

Horrible loss, agreed.

On to the next game.

 

[lakeside]

I don't pretend to have the answer for this problem, but I can't see Wyoming consistently getting / developing the lineman required to be a run heavy program. Coupled with the fact that when a Bohl lead team doesn't have the upper hand with superior talent, I think that his offensive scheme can be quickly diagnosed and stopped UND proved that. Duplicating what UND was able to do on Saturday unfortunately will not be a problem for the mid to upper level teams in this conference on a regular basis.Defensively over time we may be able to develop the talent to stay in games for awhile, but that doesn't work when the offense cant stay on the field, how many years have Wyoming fans witnessed that?
To me offensively speaking Wyoming needs to be able to be a short to mid level pass heavy offense, blending in the run to keep the opposing defense honest up front. Historically that seems to have the best results over the long run. Just from the limited amount that I have seen from this years team I think that may prove to be the correct way to proceed. Cam isn't very mobile, but very accurate and quick with his release. The line wont be able to protect him for very long so the play must be quick to develop. The WR's seem to be average in speed but above average in size typical for a good historical Wyoming receiver. Hill is a very good pass catching back so use that. Hollister is reported as being a good pass catching TE, he is going to have to be used more. If Bohl and his staff remain committed to the run and try to build off that style scheme I think that they will have trouble both now and going forward. If they can change it up and adapt to the talent they can get they might be ok, but change is a hard thing to do for some. I certainly hope they can. :twocents:

 

[WYOBISONMAN]

Bullshit on the recruiting Lakes. Bohl and company have an incredible eye when it comes to spotting and recruiting talent the Power 5 miss. He will do the same in Laramie if he is given time. What was left in Fargo after Basic left was one hell of a lot more than DC left in Laramie.

I will be the first to say what I saw on Saturday in Laramie was a total shit show. But, Bohl is a true scholar of the game. I think that it is very possible that the team could be significantly improved as the end of the season nears. We won't start to see the full impact of Bohl until years 4 and 5. The biggest question is will the fans and administration give him the time.

With the facilities at Laramie, it sure as hell is not any tougher to recruit to WYO than to NDSU. And I suspect I am much more familiar with U WYO than you are.

 

[lakeside]

Any coach both now or in the past will tell you that, Bohl is not immune to that problem unfortunately. At Wyoming developing kids is the expectation of any coaching staff, the recruiting issues are a known problem when you take a job here it isn't an excuse for poor performance. If you choose to run a scheme that isn't sustainable then your employment as a coach is in jeopardy fact. The room for error in the P-5 ranks is quite small and staffs don't miss on talent to often......

 

[mwc fan]

It will be very hard to recruit the offensive linemen needed to run the west coast offense effectively on a consistent basis. Therefore I don't know why we continue to run the same inside run plays every 1st down against a 3-4 defense that Bohl admitted to having problems with. I watched the play calling by ND and saw plays that we should be running. 3rd and 9 and with the defense of ND playing off the line in a soft zone a draw play would've worked perfectly. Hell ND popped a draw on us on 3rd and long and got it every time. If our strength is our Rb's why abandon their skills? I don't trust throwing to a true freshman wr the ball on 3rd down. They were dropping balls regularly. Also Wick with only 6 carries is a joke. I hope the coaching staff can get these players ready for next week. Most teams progress is usually seen in the 2nd game. I just hope it isn't E. Michigan who sees that progress.

 

[WYOBISONMAN]

IMHO the weak link in the offense is Vigen's play calling. I never was a fan of him when he was at NDSU.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Back to wanting the spread?

Maybe.

I do not think Bohl's system will work in Laramie, ever.

We need big guys on the lines. We are always undersized on the line. ALWAYS. The spread made up for some of that.

How are we going to win a power, smashmouth game being smaller than our opponents 9 or 10 times a season?
Saban is successful with the same style offense because he has huge lines.

4 wins last season, 2 if he is lucky this season, and likely the same next season before he gets fired.

 

[NCPoke]

Lakeside...I think you nailed it. Bohl can't run the offense at Wyoming he did at NDSU. Unfortunately Wyoming picked a bad 20 year stretch to be a bad program. College football has changed and passed UW by. I don't think the program will ever be relevant on the national scene again. Not a reaction to yesterday or last year....but a reality of the last 20 years. I live in Charlotte and their football program is in its 3rd year and 1st at FBS and I see more positives there than Wyoming which has been playing FBS level for, what 100 years? Most which are out of UW's control.

 

[Wyo2dal]

Any offense can be run in any location saying that it can't be run in Wyoming might be the dumbest shit I've read on these forums this weekend. It's been 1 year if in 5 years Bohl is 27-35 like DC was you can say I told you so.

Will Wyoming ever have a national presence in CFB like Alabama no we won't but we have every opportunity to be dominant in the MWC just like any other school that shit isn't happening over night so forget about that.

Sit back relax take a deep breath and go watch Brett Smith have his best game in the CFL so far.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Any offense can be run in any location saying that it can't be run in Wyoming might be the dumbest shit I've read on these forums this weekend. It's been 1 year if in 5 years Bohl is 27-35 like DC was you can say I told you so.

Will Wyoming ever have a national presence in CFB like Alabama no we won't but we have every opportunity to be dominant in the MWC just like any other school that shit isn't happening over night so forget about that.

Sit back relax take a deep breath and go watch Brett Smith have his best game in the CFL so far.

Technically, you are correct but practically? Well, we'll see. BSU does a modified pro-style with lots of formations and lots of shifts. Bohl will definitely need better linemen consistently.