The Book is out on Bohl

[Wyo2dal]

Any offense can be run in any location saying that it can't be run in Wyoming might be the dumbest shit I've read on these forums this weekend. It's been 1 year if in 5 years Bohl is 27-35 like DC was you can say I told you so.

Will Wyoming ever have a national presence in CFB like Alabama no we won't but we have every opportunity to be dominant in the MWC just like any other school that shit isn't happening over night so forget about that.

Sit back relax take a deep breath and go watch Brett Smith have his best game in the CFL so far.

Technically, you are correct but practically? Well, we'll see. BSU does a modified pro-style with lots of formations and lots of shifts. Bohl will definitely need better linemen consistently.

Yes I do believe it's practical that Bohl can get the line he needs to be effective in the MWC. Will we ever be a NY6 hopeful? No never but we could get back to the Vegas Bowl it's not completely out of the question.

 

[lakeside]

The “I told you so” can come today, I am afraid you're dead wrong. You can’t run any offense scheme SUCCESSFULLY anywhere, you can however run any offensive scheme UN SUCCESFULLY anywhere if that is your choice. I wouldn't run a spread, west coast, wing t, option, you name it offensive scheme exclusively at Wyoming. Wyoming requires flexibility like no other place in the country, as a coach you earn your check based on how you can adapt. Not saying that this is easy hell it’s obviously just about impossible, but that is the job you signed up for as a coach. I hope to hell that this staff can get it figured out, going backward isn’t an option if there is any hope to being competitive this half century.

 

[Wyo2dal]

The “I told you so” can come today, I am afraid you're dead wrong. You can’t run any offense scheme SUCCESSFULLY anywhere, you can however run any offensive scheme UN SUCCESFULLY anywhere if that is your choice. I wouldn't run a spread, west coast, wing t, option, you name it offensive scheme exclusively at Wyoming. Wyoming requires flexibility like no other place in the country, as a coach you earn your check based on how you can adapt. Not saying that this is easy hell it’s obviously just about impossible, but that is the job you signed up for as a coach. I hope to hell that this staff can get it figured out, going backward isn’t an option if there is any hope to being competitive this half century.

That is your opinion so we can agree to disagree. You can run any scheme anywhere but you have to have the right players the players make the scheme not the location.

Why do you think Wyoming requires so much more flexibility then every other place in the US?

 

[BeaverPoke]

WYO2DAL,

DC had a 7-6, 3-9, 8-5, 4-8, and a 5-7 season.

Bohl already matched the 4-8 season, and might be lucky to match the 3-9 season this year.
Let's just assume he does luck out and get 3 wins this year.
That would mean Bohl has the 4-8 and the 3-9 seasons matched, and the 5-7, 7-6, and 8-5 seasons to match Christensen. And a bowl win.

I won't rule those out in the following 3 seasons because I understand a program takes time to build, but at the same time, it needs to be built, we can't just give someone time if they aren't using it correctly. And for the comparison sake, Bohl better hope he can at least get 3 this season. Anything worse then he falls to pre-Glenn level. That's not a good era to be compared to.

 

[BeaverPoke]

The “I told you so” can come today, I am afraid you're dead wrong. You can’t run any offense scheme SUCCESSFULLY anywhere, you can however run any offensive scheme UN SUCCESFULLY anywhere if that is your choice. I wouldn't run a spread, west coast, wing t, option, you name it offensive scheme exclusively at Wyoming. Wyoming requires flexibility like no other place in the country, as a coach you earn your check based on how you can adapt. Not saying that this is easy hell it’s obviously just about impossible, but that is the job you signed up for as a coach. I hope to hell that this staff can get it figured out, going backward isn’t an option if there is any hope to being competitive this half century.

That is your opinion so we can agree to disagree. You can run any scheme anywhere but you have to have the right players the players make the scheme not the location.

Why do you think Wyoming requires so much more flexibility then every other place in the US?

Because we can not get the huge linemen at Wyo. We need brute strength and massive size on the lines to win with this style, and we can't get those guys to Wyoming. Always undersized, and you can not win consistently being small on the line in a pro-style game.

 

[Wyo2dal]

The “I told you so” can come today, I am afraid you're dead wrong. You can’t run any offense scheme SUCCESSFULLY anywhere, you can however run any offensive scheme UN SUCCESFULLY anywhere if that is your choice. I wouldn't run a spread, west coast, wing t, option, you name it offensive scheme exclusively at Wyoming. Wyoming requires flexibility like no other place in the country, as a coach you earn your check based on how you can adapt. Not saying that this is easy hell it’s obviously just about impossible, but that is the job you signed up for as a coach. I hope to hell that this staff can get it figured out, going backward isn’t an option if there is any hope to being competitive this half century.

That is your opinion so we can agree to disagree. You can run any scheme anywhere but you have to have the right players the players make the scheme not the location.

Why do you think Wyoming requires so much more flexibility then every other place in the US?

Because we can not get the huge linemen at Wyo. We need brute strength and massive size on the lines to win with this style, and we can't get those guys to Wyoming. Always undersized, and you can not win consistently being small on the line in a pro-style game.

You can't really believe that large players won't go to Wyoming? Have you ever looked at the roster history? What are you looking for 6'6" 350 lb freshman?

 

[lakesbison]

Bullshit on the recruiting Lakes. Bohl and company have an incredible eye when it comes to spotting and recruiting talent the Power 5 miss. He will do the same in Laramie if he is given time. What was left in Fargo after Basic left was one hell of a lot more than DC left in Laramie.

I will be the first to say what I saw on Saturday in Laramie was a total shit show. But, Bohl is a true scholar of the game. I think that it is very possible that the team could be significantly improved as the end of the season nears. We won't start to see the full impact of Bohl until years 4 and 5. The biggest question is will the fans and administration give him the time.

With the facilities at Laramie, it sure as hell is not any tougher to recruit to WYO than to NDSU. And I suspect I am much more familiar with U WYO than you are.

Wyo. I am lakes. This is another copycat of mine apparently from Detroit lakes (lakeside is there)

Vigen isn't helping anything sorry..

 

[BeaverPoke]

The “I told you so” can come today, I am afraid you're dead wrong. You can’t run any offense scheme SUCCESSFULLY anywhere, you can however run any offensive scheme UN SUCCESFULLY anywhere if that is your choice. I wouldn't run a spread, west coast, wing t, option, you name it offensive scheme exclusively at Wyoming. Wyoming requires flexibility like no other place in the country, as a coach you earn your check based on how you can adapt. Not saying that this is easy hell it’s obviously just about impossible, but that is the job you signed up for as a coach. I hope to hell that this staff can get it figured out, going backward isn’t an option if there is any hope to being competitive this half century.

That is your opinion so we can agree to disagree. You can run any scheme anywhere but you have to have the right players the players make the scheme not the location.

Why do you think Wyoming requires so much more flexibility then every other place in the US?

Because we can not get the huge linemen at Wyo. We need brute strength and massive size on the lines to win with this style, and we can't get those guys to Wyoming. Always undersized, and you can not win consistently being small on the line in a pro-style game.

You can't really believe that large players won't go to Wyoming? Have you ever looked at the roster history? What are you looking for 6'6" 350 lb freshman?

When was the last time we sent an O-Lineman to the NFL?
When was the last time we had 2 or more make All-Conference teams?
When was the last time people feared or even respected our O-Line?

 

[Wyo2dal]

WYO2DAL,

DC had a 7-6, 3-9, 8-5, 4-8, and a 5-7 season.

Bohl already matched the 4-8 season, and might be lucky to match the 3-9 season this year.
Let's just assume he does luck out and get 3 wins this year.
That would mean Bohl has the 4-8 and the 3-9 seasons matched, and the 5-7, 7-6, and 8-5 seasons to match Christensen. And a bowl win.

I won't rule those out in the following 3 seasons because I understand a program takes time to build, but at the same time, it needs to be built, we can't just give someone time if they aren't using it correctly. And for the comparison sake, Bohl better hope he can at least get 3 this season. Anything worse then he falls to pre-Glenn level. That's not a good era to be compared to.

DC took over the best defensive team Wyoming has had in years and that is the only reason we made the first Bowl game. I already commented on the second bowl game we had a good season getting the break on turnovers going our way we lucked into a Bowl game and then got humiliated.

Bohl took over a mediocre defensive unit, I strongly believe if Bohl had taken over the team that DC took over he would have had more success. DC was no better at coaching then Schoyer was they both had sub .500 records.

 

[Wyo2dal]

The “I told you so” can come today, I am afraid you're dead wrong. You can’t run any offense scheme SUCCESSFULLY anywhere, you can however run any offensive scheme UN SUCCESFULLY anywhere if that is your choice. I wouldn't run a spread, west coast, wing t, option, you name it offensive scheme exclusively at Wyoming. Wyoming requires flexibility like no other place in the country, as a coach you earn your check based on how you can adapt. Not saying that this is easy hell it’s obviously just about impossible, but that is the job you signed up for as a coach. I hope to hell that this staff can get it figured out, going backward isn’t an option if there is any hope to being competitive this half century.

That is your opinion so we can agree to disagree. You can run any scheme anywhere but you have to have the right players the players make the scheme not the location.

Why do you think Wyoming requires so much more flexibility then every other place in the US?

Because we can not get the huge linemen at Wyo. We need brute strength and massive size on the lines to win with this style, and we can't get those guys to Wyoming. Always undersized, and you can not win consistently being small on the line in a pro-style game.

You can't really believe that large players won't go to Wyoming? Have you ever looked at the roster history? What are you looking for 6'6" 350 lb freshman?

When was the last time we sent an O-Lineman to the NFL?
When was the last time we had 2 or more make All-Conference teams?
When was the last time people feared or even respected our O-Line?

Please tell me what any of that has to do with a large player coming to Wyoming or a offensive scheme on the field? It doesn't have anything to do with it at all. At this point your just making shit up to suit your argument.

- Big players will come to Wyoming they have it in the past and they will again.
- What we send to the NFL has nothing to do with any of this.
- DC ran an under sized line with more mobility for the spread.
- Bohl will need time to get the players to fit the scheme and while we wait for that there will be disappointing losses.

 

[lakeside]

In a way you are stating my concern, you can't consistently recruit the same type of player to Wyoming. At Wyoming you have to just see how a player develops, and as those players develop as a coach you form your team for the season. Based on what you have that season is what a coach will have to base the scheme around. Certainly coaches can project based on the measurable numbers of a player, but you never really know until the pads are on and the scoreboard is lit up. At Wyoming in particular occasionally you get the pieces to have a great line and no running back, WR's and no QB, QB and no line, and on it goes at Wyoming every year thus demanding the flexibility that a Boise Sate doesn't concern themselves so much with.

I would bet good money that coach Shyatt isn't counting on a 1rst round center at Wyoming this season, in fact I would wager he is counting on a team going through the 2. Adjusting to the players he has this season just like any other coach must do when at Wyoming. I would think that it is in the job description....

 

[Wyo2dal]

In a way you are stating my concern, you can't consistently recruit the same type of player to Wyoming. At Wyoming you have to just see how a player develops, and as those players develop as a coach you form your team for the season. Based on what you have that season is what a coach will have to base the scheme around. Certainly coaches can project based on the measurable numbers of a player, but you never really know until the pads are on and the scoreboard is lit up. At Wyoming in particular occasionally you get the pieces to have a great line and no running back, WR's and no QB, QB and no line, and on it goes at Wyoming every year thus demanding the flexibility that a Boise Sate doesn't concern themselves so much with.

I would bet good money that coach Shyatt isn't counting on a 1rst round center at Wyoming this season, in fact I would wager he is counting on a team going through the 2. Adjusting to the players he has this season just like any other coach must do when at Wyoming. I would think that it is in the job description....

I'm sorry but that is absolutely absurd to think Wyoming needs recruiting flexibility. You absolutely can recruit the same type of player at Wyoming just like any other school. What your talking about is created by changing coaches every 5 years it has nothing to do with being Wyoming it has everything to do with no recruiting consistency.

 

[JimmyDimes]

This thread is an embarrassment. Holy shit, let's give Bohl some fucking time for crap sake. The attrition we've had has put us in the position we're in. Shitty game for sure. But some of the overreaction makes 5 years olds look like grown ups.

And the recruiting thing is beyond stupid. Beyond. It isn't like our classes are ranked at the bottom of the MWC. But we're somehow different? Bohl has had a total of two recruiting classes....one on short notice. And, he's recruiting a different type of player. So how in the hell is he supposed to turn out NFL linemen when he's only recruited freshman, and redshirt freshmen. The only two sophmore's he's recruited are Brian Hill and Ryan Cummings.....two pretty good players most would agree. Most of DC's players have left. We have a total of 7 seniors. Let's see how this young team grows from this horrific loss. I expect to see a different team out there next Saturday.

Go Pokes!!

 

[Yabadabadoo]

This thread is an embarrassment. Holy shit, let's give Bohl some fucking time for crap sake. The attrition we've had has put us in the hole position we're in. Shitty game for sure. But some of the overreaction makes 5 years olds look like grown ups.

And the recruiting thing is beyond stupid. Beyond. It isn't like our classes are ranked at the bottom of the MWC. But we're somehow different? Bohl has had a total of two recruiting classes....one on short notice. And, he's recruiting a different type of player. So how in the hell is he supposed to turn out NFL linemen when he's only recruited freshman, and redshirt freshmen. The only two sophmore's he's recruited are Brian Hill and Ryan Cummings.....two pretty good players most would agree. Most of DC's players have left. We have a total of 7 seniors. Let's see how this young team grows from this horrific loss. I expect to see a different team out there next Saturday.

Go Pokes!!

Nice post Jimmy & I agree with you obviously.

This past Saturday can and should be looked at as a period of maturation - and it has the ability to refocus on what was absent against ND.

I too expect them to be better this week - I actually like Wyoming this Saturday with a much better feeling about the outcome than I did going into the ND game.

So far as the 'process' of building a program from scratch, as in many things, it's about the journey in getting there as much as it pertains to the actual final destination.

Go Pokes!

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Yes I do believe it's practical that Bohl can get the line he needs to be effective in the MWC. Will we ever be a NY6 hopeful? No never but we could get back to the Vegas Bowl it's not completely out of the question.

The best we hope for is second or third in MWC? Or, do we hope BSU stumbles and there is a down year in the MWC? Typically, the MWC champ will be in NY6 conversation. You are essentially saying we'll never compete for a MWC title.

I often wonder how many other WYO fans think like this. I think that is probably the main rift between us. I want to be a fan of a program with big aspirations and acts like it. An occasional 2nd or 3rd place in the MWC with a few bad seasons (due to whatever) and a few bowl eligible seasons is nothing short of huge disappointment to me.

As for Bohl and the topic, as I've stated numerous times, I'm still on board and ready to see this emu game. My only point is that it is not a totally invalid concern to worry that Bohl will be able to recruit the talent level he will need to be successful here. From what I've seen his style doesn't mask talent discrepancies so he will need to recruit at a much higher level than his "recent" predecessors. If you think that is 100% guaranteed to happen and the only thing limiting us is time, then we'll have to agree to disagree. Mind you, I'm not saying it can't happen just that the possibility that it won't happen is a valid concern.

 

[joshvanklomp]

The complaint going into last season from these same people was that the players Bohl recruited weren't good enough to play at the G5 level...players like Brian Hill and Ryan Cummings.

I think I'll trust Coach Bohl on recruiting matters more than lakeside and BeaverPoke.

 

[johnywyo]

Back to wanting the spread?

Maybe.

I do not think Bohl's system will work in Laramie, ever.

We need big guys on the lines. We are always undersized on the line. ALWAYS. The spread made up for some of that.

How are we going to win a power, smashmouth game being smaller than our opponents 9 or 10 times a season?



Saban is successful with the same style offense because he has huge lines.

4 wins last season, 2 if he is lucky this season, and likely the same next season before he gets fired.

Beav, just stfu. Stick to talking about bball, I can at least tolerate your nonsense on that subject.

 

[WyoBrandX]

I really, really, really thought we would dominate in this game. I didn't expect to see (well actually hear, I was listening to the radio) this happen.

I talked to a few people I know that attended the games. The impression is - our offensive and defensive lines were dominated. I'm not surprised on the offensive line - they are young. But the defensive line - those guys are supposed to move buildings. Weird.

It is tough. I think we may be in for a write off season. It is not like the coaching staff can fire all the players and go hire a bunch of NFL players. They have to have time to develop. Unfortunately - this looks like it could be 2 or 3 very very rough years.

 

[yopaulie]

I have a different take on the recruiting. Part of Bohl's past success (I get at the FCS level), was that he recruited different type players than almost all other teams. Instead of competing against the majority of spread offense colleges across the region, Bohl's strategy is to become a go to school for pro set recruits. If you are a top notch high school TE, fullback, or pro style O lineman, Bohl's program scheme is a great option for college, and also aligns you well in preparation if you happen to get a shot at the pros. So I think Bohl's strategy can be a superior one to trying to out recruit all the other spread schools.

Like others have said, it takes a lot though, to convert to this model. Unfortunately, the transition is clearly a slow and painful one at this point. I do think Bohl has compounded the problem with his handling of DC players. Seems like he, or his coaches, took a new sheriff in town approach, and let the attrition rate balloon too much. Those veteran players really could have helped make for a smoother transition.

On offense, the Oline goes from zone blocking to detailed assignment based plays with pulling. I do think Bohl and Fuchs may have really mishandled the vets from the DC regime. The attrition rate of existing Olinemen has been terrible. That has clearly hurt this year. I believe it was Slow Hand who mentioned the conflicts between Fuchs and vets. That said, Fuchs has coached at least two lineman who made the NFL under his watch.

On defense, Bohl's defense needs the two safeties to be the smartest players on the field. Having two freshman back there is going to be painful with this system. I do think Pownell showed some really good potential out there - I think all will like him during his upper class years. Moving two brand new players to LB, where gap assignments and reaction time are critical, is a problem. Having an undersized NT is a problem. Having the strongest weightlifting DT in the conference getting only one assisted tackle against UND is not acceptable. I think Finley should be on the field. Bottom line - the existing personnel are not good fits for the system, and the new recruits are too young to be counted on consistently. Bohl needs 1-2 more years with his model, but can also handle existing personnel better.

 

[J-Rod]

Finding a good prospect here and there but only here and there is a good way to make sure your regime ends quickly. Bohl will need younger players to emerge, and lots of them, not just 2 guys. He has lots of time to do that this season, but at least 6-8 young players need to show top-tier MW players ability by the season's end if we truly want to reach these lofty goals fans have.