UW vs. Nevada

[BeaverPoke]

Granberry and Hankerson....so hyped up...such duds.

 

[bladerunnr]

I think Shyatt has missed on too many recruits so far and it's showing. There's 5 players on Scholly who don't even play.

Let's face it. Wyo. basketball was off the grid for the entire Schroyer tenure. I was hoping that Shyatt's connections as an assistant at Florida might help in recruiting. No such luck. It looks like another season of shot clock management to shorten the game and keep the score low. Yawn.

 

[Gunshow03]

Air Force just beat UNLV in their own house. Unless we figure this shit out soon we are going to finish below Air Force and be battling SJSU to see who doesn't finish last.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Shyatt needs to tell these guys to quit player so unselfish and shoot it when you have an open look. As many have pointed out, why wait until the close runs down and forces us to shot an bad shoot....just shoot when you have an open shot. The last 4 or 5 shots by Nance were all forced. Pass it out when you get in trouble Larry. I realize you're the best player on the team, but you took some bad shots late in the game yesterday. And both Granberry and Hankerson need to be more aggressive as well.

Shitty outcome to start the season...but at least we didn't lose at home like UNLV.

ps. Shyatt has missed on some recruits and started with a bare cupboard. The good news is the last recruiting class is more of what we need to push the program forward.

 

[NowherePoke]

We won't win many games when Nance goes 5-15 from the field. We got a whole 6 points from the bench. Our talent is not going to scare any teams in the MWC. The 2 guys who were supposed to make a big difference are nearly invisible. Either Shyatt isn't the guy or Schroyer destroyed the program beyond repair.

It seems like a thousand centuries ago when we had Brad Jones and Brandon Ewing in the same backcourt. I'm ready to bring McClain back. This basketball is unwatchable.

MWC records with Jones/Ewing as the backcourt:

5-11
7-9
5-11

17-31


I don't see that as being much different than what we have seen under Shyatt.

I actually think Jones/Ewing was a great backcourt whose talent was wasted by McClain/Schroyer.

 

[NowherePoke]

Shyatt needs to tell these guys to quit player so unselfish and shoot it when you have an open look. As many have pointed out, why wait until the close runs down and forces us to shot an bad shoot....just shoot when you have an open shot. The last 4 or 5 shots by Nance were all forced. Pass it out when you get in trouble Larry. I realize you're the best player on the team, but you took some bad shots late in the game yesterday. And both Granberry and Hankerson need to be more aggressive as well.

Shitty outcome to start the season...but at least we didn't lose at home like UNLV.

ps. Shyatt has missed on some recruits and started with a bare cupboard. The good news is the last recruiting class is more of what we need to push the program forward.

He didn't start with a bare cupboard and I don't know where you see anything from the last class that indicates an improvement. Lieberman is in the Grabau mold, lacks MWC athleticism but is known as a shooter and heady PG. Jones is in the Keonta Vernon mold, undersized 4 man known for his effort, and Barnes is a project in the Herndon/Haldorson/Sellers mold. I don't expect any of the three to have an impact next season.

 

[bladerunnr]

We won't win many games when Nance goes 5-15 from the field. We got a whole 6 points from the bench. Our talent is not going to scare any teams in the MWC. The 2 guys who were supposed to make a big difference are nearly invisible. Either Shyatt isn't the guy or Schroyer destroyed the program beyond repair.

It seems like a thousand centuries ago when we had Brad Jones and Brandon Ewing in the same backcourt. I'm ready to bring McClain back. This basketball is unwatchable.

MWC records with Jones/Ewing as the backcourt:

5-11
7-9
5-11

17-31


I don't see that as being much different than what we have seen under Shyatt.

I actually think Jones/Ewing was a great backcourt whose talent was wasted by McClain/Schroyer.

Point taken. But I remember when Ewing was a freshman and we had Justin Williams that the team lost in the MWC tournament championship game in overtime. Also, in fairness to McClain, the conference was much tougher when Utah and BYU were in it. I realize McClain's shortcomings. But the talent level was much better under him than it is now. Also, I do see a big difference now. This team got blown out a number of times at home last year and will again this year. Just my opinion, but the talent level of this team is as low as I can ever remember for a Wyoming team, except for maybe last year's team.

 

[BeaverPoke]

We won't win many games when Nance goes 5-15 from the field. We got a whole 6 points from the bench. Our talent is not going to scare any teams in the MWC. The 2 guys who were supposed to make a big difference are nearly invisible. Either Shyatt isn't the guy or Schroyer destroyed the program beyond repair.

It seems like a thousand centuries ago when we had Brad Jones and Brandon Ewing in the same backcourt. I'm ready to bring McClain back. This basketball is unwatchable.

MWC records with Jones/Ewing as the backcourt:

5-11
7-9
5-11

17-31


I don't see that as being much different than what we have seen under Shyatt.

I actually think Jones/Ewing was a great backcourt whose talent was wasted by McClain/Schroyer.

Point taken. But I remember when Ewing was a freshman and we had Justin Williams that the team lost in the MWC tournament championship game in overtime. Also, in fairness to McClain, the conference was much tougher when Utah and BYU were in it. I realize McClain's shortcomings. But the talent level was much better under him than it is now. Also, I do see a big difference now. This team got blown out a number of times at home last year and will again this year. Just my opinion, but the talent level of this team is as low as I can ever remember for a Wyoming team, except for maybe last year's team.

The MWC was NOT tougher when Utah and BYU were in it!
They were good teams but seriously?! The MWC sent over HALF it's teams to the Big Dance last season and had the #2 RPI in the country....How in the hell do you think that it was tougher then?

 

[ProudWYOAlum]

Point taken. But I remember when Ewing was a freshman and we had Justin Williams that the team lost in the MWC tournament championship game in overtime. Also, in fairness to McClain, the conference was much tougher when Utah and BYU were in it. I realize McClain's shortcomings. But the talent level was much better under him than it is now. Also, I do see a big difference now. This team got blown out a number of times at home last year and will again this year. Just my opinion, but the talent level of this team is as low as I can ever remember for a Wyoming team, except for maybe last year's team.

The conference was better when Utah BYU were in it? This conference was great in 2011 when BYU had Jimmer Fredette and the Aztecs made their run.

The Mountain West has gotten much better the last 3-4 years. UNLV, Boise, CSU, SDSU, and New Mexico have all improved since that era.

I think it's much harder to win this conference now than it was back in 2004-2007

 

[WYCowboy]

It looked to me like Nance was getting double & triple teamed because we don't have any other threats down low. Our only other threat is to kick the ball out to an open 3 pt shooter - and that isn't happening very often (mainly because when you are boxed in, it's hard to get a pass off).

 

[BeaverPoke]

It looked to me like Nance was getting double & triple teamed because we don't have any other threats down low. Our only other threat is to kick the ball out to an open 3 pt shooter - and that isn't happening very often (mainly because when you are boxed in, it's hard to get a pass off).

Well when the shooters are making their shots, that's a deadly recipe. Nance down low scoring then they start doubling him up freeing up open 3 pointers.

But I am interested to see how the NM game will go.
Kirks will probably be able to handle Nance all by himself. Meaning we won't get those open 3 point shots.
But then again, NM has a horrible defense without Alford.
Amazing how they went from our style of play the last few years to immediately being a SDSU type team, putting up HUGE points and giving up huge points as well.

 

[J-Rod]

Next two games are going to be really tough. I hope fans pack the AA for UNM....the team will need it. And then next week Saturday will be very tough too. Boise went on a 24-0 run on Fresno at one point yesterday. At least the team pulled the tall straw and only plays SDSU once (in Laramie).

 

[NowherePoke]

We won't win many games when Nance goes 5-15 from the field. We got a whole 6 points from the bench. Our talent is not going to scare any teams in the MWC. The 2 guys who were supposed to make a big difference are nearly invisible. Either Shyatt isn't the guy or Schroyer destroyed the program beyond repair.

It seems like a thousand centuries ago when we had Brad Jones and Brandon Ewing in the same backcourt. I'm ready to bring McClain back. This basketball is unwatchable.

MWC records with Jones/Ewing as the backcourt:

5-11
7-9
5-11

17-31


I don't see that as being much different than what we have seen under Shyatt.

I actually think Jones/Ewing was a great backcourt whose talent was wasted by McClain/Schroyer.

Point taken. But I remember when Ewing was a freshman and we had Justin Williams that the team lost in the MWC tournament championship game in overtime. Also, in fairness to McClain, the conference was much tougher when Utah and BYU were in it. I realize McClain's shortcomings. But the talent level was much better under him than it is now. Also, I do see a big difference now. This team got blown out a number of times at home last year and will again this year. Just my opinion, but the talent level of this team is as low as I can ever remember for a Wyoming team, except for maybe last year's team.

That MWCT run with Ewing/Williams was flukish though. The team went 5-11 in conference play. Who knows, this team could do the same.

The conference was actually much weaker by any objective measure (Sagarin, RPI, KenPom, Nolan, etc.) in those years than in Shyatt's first two years. Dramatically so. It's not so much the top, but the middle as in both of Shyatt's first two years he had to play 50% or more of his conference games against at-large NCAA tourney quality teams. Most of them were in the 20-40 range rather than top 20 (as shown in the tourney), but that's still a much tougher road than what McClain had in conference play. McClain scheduled tougher in OOC though.

I agree with you on the talent level. McClain's last team had the following:

Starters (most of the time, there were different lineups at times):

Jones
Ewing
Spencer
Brown
Taylor

Bench

Okoye
Platt


There were some others that saw time at various moments (Anderson before he flunked out, Dermody and Nelson after that, etc.) but that is the corps. Other than Nance, who on the current roster breaks into that starting line-up? I would say nobody.

That's why the Schroyer hire pissed me off so bad. I felt like there was a lot of talent there that McClain was not taking advantage of and that the right coach could make a quick impact. To see it destroyed so quickly was heartbreaking.

 

[TheRealUW]

I'm surprised to see so many posters predicting such a precipitous drop in our conference record after a single loss on the road. This season hasn't really produced any results that I would call surprising. My expectations for this team really haven't changed much at all from the start of the season. I still think we end up winning more games in the conference this year than we did in either of Shyatt's first 2 seasons. I'd predict 8-10 at the moment.

The frustrating part has been that we haven't been able to pull out the win in any of the games that are toss ups (@DU, SMU, @Nevada). Those were all games that I thought we had a legitimate chance of winning heading into the game, but we just weren't able to quite get there. Hopefully we can begin to win similar games as the season progresses. Right now, I would consider Utah State at the AA and on the road at Air Force to be good examples of games that could swing either way.

I'm not going to predict we beat New Mexico on Wednesday night, but it is certainly not a guaranteed New Mexico win. If you're thinking about not tuning in for the game, I'd advise otherwise.

 

[NowherePoke]

I'm surprised to see so many posters predicting such a precipitous drop in our conference record after a single loss on the road. This season hasn't really produced any results that I would call surprising. My expectations for this team really haven't changed much at all from the start of the season. I still think we end up winning more games in the conference this year than we did in either of Shyatt's first 2 seasons. I'd predict 8-10 at the moment.

The frustrating part has been that we haven't been able to pull out the win in any of the games that are toss ups (@DU, SMU, @Nevada). Those were all games that I thought we had a legitimate chance of winning heading into the game, but we just weren't able to quite get there. Hopefully we can begin to win similar games as the season progresses. Right now, I would consider Utah State at the AA and on the road at Air Force to be good examples of games that could swing either way.

I'm not going to predict we beat New Mexico on Wednesday night, but it is certainly not a guaranteed New Mexico win. If you're thinking about not tuning in for the game, I'd advise otherwise.

I think your second paragraph is the key. We needed to win some of those types of toss-up games to challenge for a .500 conf record and NIT/CBI, but the 0-fer so far in those games suggests we will be at the lower end of our possible range for this year which I see as 5-13 or 6-12 and no postseason.

 

[TSpoke]

I'm surprised to see so many posters predicting such a precipitous drop in our conference record after a single loss on the road. This season hasn't really produced any results that I would call surprising. My expectations for this team really haven't changed much at all from the start of the season. I still think we end up winning more games in the conference this year than we did in either of Shyatt's first 2 seasons. I'd predict 8-10 at the moment.

The frustrating part has been that we haven't been able to pull out the win in any of the games that are toss ups (@DU, SMU, @Nevada). Those were all games that I thought we had a legitimate chance of winning heading into the game, but we just weren't able to quite get there. Hopefully we can begin to win similar games as the season progresses. Right now, I would consider Utah State at the AA and on the road at Air Force to be good examples of games that could swing either way.

I'm not going to predict we beat New Mexico on Wednesday night, but it is certainly not a guaranteed New Mexico win. If you're thinking about not tuning in for the game, I'd advise otherwise.

I agree with a lot of this. We just need to learn to finish. I think all our games are gonna be similar. We will be in everyone down till the end. HOw many will we pull out. I don't know.

Is it just me or was that last play a bad play call. Nance wasn't having a good game shooting the ball and they were doing a great job collapsing on him. I thought Adams or washington should have drove the ball with a look to dump of to Nance if it was there or give it to NAnce earlier in play and let him find the open player when they collapsed on him. He was doing a good job passing from out of the post.

 

[kansasCowboy]

I'm surprised to see so many posters predicting such a precipitous drop in our conference record after a single loss on the road. This season hasn't really produced any results that I would call surprising. My expectations for this team really haven't changed much at all from the start of the season. I still think we end up winning more games in the conference this year than we did in either of Shyatt's first 2 seasons. I'd predict 8-10 at the moment.

The frustrating part has been that we haven't been able to pull out the win in any of the games that are toss ups (@DU, SMU, @Nevada). Those were all games that I thought we had a legitimate chance of winning heading into the game, but we just weren't able to quite get there. Hopefully we can begin to win similar games as the season progresses. Right now, I would consider Utah State at the AA and on the road at Air Force to be good examples of games that could swing either way.

I'm not going to predict we beat New Mexico on Wednesday night, but it is certainly not a guaranteed New Mexico win. If you're thinking about not tuning in for the game, I'd advise otherwise.

Your surprised? What year under Shyatt has proved we will be anywhere close to .500 in conf? Now this year we go and start out with a loss to one of the two teams in conf with a losing record! Well, that does not promote confidence now does it? Just looks like same ol same ol to me, maybe worse.

 

[TheRealUW]

Your surprised? What year under Shyatt has proved we will be anywhere close to .500 in conf? Now this year we go and start out with a loss to one of the two teams in conf with a losing record! Well, that does not promote confidence now does it? Just looks like same ol same ol to me, maybe worse

It was one road loss. Losing to an inferior opponent on the road happens every single night to a multitude of teams. Was it a winnable game? Sure. I'm as frustrated as anybody that we haven't been able to finish these close games, but this loss should not be a surprising one to anybody who has watched this basketball team.

In the end, I still believe this team will hold court against the low and mid tier conference teams at the AA and sneak out a road game or 2 against the really bad teams (Ie. SJSU). Like I said, I still think they pull out 8 conference wins. Going into the Nevada game, I would have predicted 9 conference wins. This team has been consistently mediocre the entire year and nothing I saw on Saturday changes my mind much.

 

[stymeman]

this is a bad loss by us this past weekend, Larry wants to establish his dominance but he needs to go to the hole much, much stronger than he does. Finesse doesn't always get it done, but my thing is this team needs to have a leader and a go to guy. We'd think that by now we'd have this figured out, but we really have to get it solved and quickly...New Mexico and Boise St it doesn't get any easier from here!!! Cmon Pokes

 

[Cuttslam]

Next two games are going to be really tough. I hope fans pack the AA for UNM....the team will need it. And then next week Saturday will be very tough too. Boise went on a 24-0 run on Fresno at one point yesterday. At least the team pulled the tall straw and only plays SDSU once (in Laramie).

Pack the AA. Thats really funny.