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UNLV and Nevada rumored to PAC 12

Another thing to keep in mind:

Supposedly the MWC quitters signed a term sheet that says if they opt out of joining the pee12 after July 1, 2026 they will pay $30-40 million with penalty stipulations if leaving for another conference with CFP rights and are locked against going to any non A4 conference.

OSU and WSU have ultimate approval for any pee12 decisions with the pee12 network so one little area where the quitters have to pucker up and kiss. Right now the pee12 network is the media outlet that had been available on major media carriers.

Bottom line is the quitters have to sign their MWC quit letters by June 2025 or face even bigger penalties in the MWC much like what they just signed onto with the P2 term agreements.

The more I read and reread older and newer stories that present facts and minimize opinion content the pressure really is on the new pee12 to settle.

I can’t determine if any of the 5 quitters or Gone-zaga have rights to withdraw from the term sheet that some are calling a grant of rights. Either something is going on with the expansion of an 8th football member along with a media deal or not much is happening besides a lot of BS talk.

It’s hard to believe with the complexity of the situation and school/media players involved that nothing more than recycled opinions of what might happen are being discussed without something more substantial getting leaked. Tons of YouTube opinion casters continue to rehash the same stories like it’s breaking news. Most are leaning strong on it’s UNLV or Texas State.

I still have a feeling that the pee12 wants UNLV and may be willing to pay the rest of the MWC to give unlv an exit in exchange if Unlv wants it. Kinda like a hostage situation where the financial situation is the hostage. I feel that the MWC commissioner is on this and ready to appease all interested parties.

Worse case scenario the mwc gets a continuation of the current media deal and concedes they are going to be in competition with the AAC and pee12 for the best of the rest of the G league. Best case scenario the pee12 can’t clinch a deal and they end up paying the MWC much more than they wanted to and also get no better than a marginal TV deal.

My hope is that the pee12 scratches for everything they get and it’s not overly spectacular. Maybe they will compete with the MAC for Tuesday/Wednesday night November games in the late slot on ESPN2 and ESPNU while featured on ESPN+ subscription streaming channels. That’s a very familiar media name that the bottom of the G league and most FCS programs have as their exposure source.

Note - the term sheet specifies that the quitters must pay their own MWC expenses which is the separate issue from the poaching penalty. Mainly this is OSU/WSU facing the poaching fees and the other 5 the exit fees. I cannot find the pee12 “long form agreements” that should already be binding for the quitters. Quite a quandary to be resolved for the pee12 who is in a state of flux at present.
 
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It all depends on the next rendition of the playoffs. Really everything else is irrelevant.

If g6 gets access then everything revolves around the 1 spot. If g6 doesn't get access, then value for all g6 teams is similar to the value of the current fcs. If this occurs, then all conference posturing is irrelevant.

Without P4 we're all irrelevant.

I predict the latter will happen. It's that simple.
 
PorkerPoke said:
Another thing to keep in mind:

Supposedly the MWC quitters signed a term sheet that says if they opt out of joining the pee12 after July 1, 2026 they will pay $30-40 million with penalty stipulations if leaving for another conference with CFP rights and are locked against going to any non A4 conference.

OSU and WSU have ultimate approval for any pee12 decisions with the pee12 network so one little area where the quitters have to pucker up and kiss. Right now the pee12 network is the media outlet that had been available on major media carriers.

Bottom line is the quitters have to sign their MWC quit letters by June 2025 or face even bigger penalties in the MWC much like what they just signed onto with the P2 term agreements.

The more I read and reread older and newer stories that present facts and minimize opinion content the pressure really is on the new pee12 to settle.

I can’t determine if any of the 5 quitters or Gone-zaga have rights to withdraw from the term sheet that some are calling a grant of rights. Either something is going on with the expansion of an 8th football member along with a media deal or not much is happening besides a lot of BS talk.

It’s hard to believe with the complexity of the situation and school/media players involved that nothing more than recycled opinions of what might happen are being discussed without something more substantial getting leaked. Tons of YouTube opinion casters continue to rehash the same stories like it’s breaking news. Most are leaning strong on it’s UNLV or Texas State.

I still have a feeling that the pee12 wants UNLV and may be willing to pay the rest of the MWC to give unlv an exit in exchange if Unlv wants it. Kinda like a hostage situation where the financial situation is the hostage. I feel that the MWC commissioner is on this and ready to appease all interested parties.

Worse case scenario the mwc gets a continuation of the current media deal and concedes they are going to be in competition with the AAC and pee12 for the best of the rest of the G league. Best case scenario the pee12 can’t clinch a deal and they end up paying the MWC much more than they wanted to and also get no better than a marginal TV deal.

My hope is that the pee12 scratches for everything they get and it’s not overly spectacular. Maybe they will compete with the MAC for Tuesday/Wednesday night November games in the late slot on ESPN2 and ESPNU while featured on ESPN+ subscription streaming channels. That’s a very familiar media name that the bottom of the G league and most FCS programs have as their exposure source.

Note - the term sheet specifies that the quitters must pay their own MWC expenses which is the separate issue from the poaching penalty. Mainly this is OSU/WSU facing the poaching fees and the other 5 the exit fees. I cannot find the pee12 “long form agreements” that should already be binding for the quitters. Quite a quandary to be resolved for the pee12 who is in a state of flux at present.
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This guys says it's done that Texas State is 8th football member and St. Mary's will also join the Pac12. That would make it an excellent basketball league. St. Mary's and Texas State also gives them 7 baseball members and an auto bid to the NCAA tournament which Oregon State wants.

 
I’m in agreement that if the G conferences get 1 spot in the playoffs it will still remain enticing to follow the lead dogs tail and put up with being farm teams.

As for the pee12 they can structure how they want for basketball, baseball and all other sports but football is the primary base for TV and no G conference is anywhere close to having more than the wafer off an Oreo cookie on their plate compared to the power 4.

What is at stake here for the MWC is weathering the power play and sabotage attempts from the departing traitors. The bottom line is the money and the MWC has to recoup a decent paycheck in order to move forward. If the $$ is denigrated to the point the pee12 comes out shining and the MWC starts imploding then say hello to being the next CUSA barely clinging to existence.

The pee12 wants nothing less than to destroy the competition in the region. Should they succeed in creating an opening for UNLV, AFA and UNM to leave it will mean absolute irrelevance for the remaining teams. It really is no shock that Wyoming could be as big an afterthought in big time college sports as Northern Colorado.

The Big Mountain podcast guy is supposed to have Gloria on this week. Watch the Monty Report as well. Those two always back up their reports based on the legal documents being obtained. There are cards to be played and the mwc has to hope Gloria can sniff out every trap. It’s the art of the deal at play here. The obvious trap is the threat of financial ruin. Supposedly the MWC has legal advantages but a fixed income. Where do the betrayers feel that they can financially sustain themselves and come out winners? Maybe there is more money currently available or promised to the forming pee12 than being discussed pushing this. The P2 has a tidy war chest from the original P12 divorce.

The next couple of weeks can be defining.
 
rocket city poke said:
This guys says it's done that Texas State is 8th football member and St. Mary's will also join the Pac12. That would make it an excellent basketball league. St. Mary's and Texas State also gives them 7 baseball members and an auto bid to the NCAA tournament which Oregon State wants.

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Basketball doesn’t pay the bills. While it might be a good basketball league, it’s not hard to look at what the NIL and power conference dominance is doing to that sport along with football. The WCC is looking at 2 bids max, and if the Zags get beat in their semifinal, and a bid stealer sneaks into the picture, they’re a 1 bid league. Same goes with the MWC, a 3 bid projection turns to 2 real quick. The SEC and BIG10 control everything right now. They have the money to pay players, they have the eyeballs for media deals and the rest of us are just trying to sneak in the back door to the party. The pac will be the MWC 2.0, period. It’s going to be the power 2 and the group of leftovers. That’s what they really should rename it.
 
The podcast with Gloria:

Very short - yes, the MWC offered pursuit of mediation. The MWC may not like it and withdraw (the same for the P12). The MWC may decide the terms are good and settle or reject them. Final avenue is the legal system.

Obviously there is a willingness to come to terms. Sounds like the MWC will be expecting a target amount at the minimum. I don’t know if any of that is required to disclose. Wouldn’t think so anyway.

I can see it like this:

MWC - owed x dollars literally per agreements.

MWC wants to hear what the highest and best offer is for settlement.

My thought is the offer is something like 80%, 70%, 60% or 50% based on the $17m exit fee:
80% is $13.6m
70% is $11.9m
60% is $10.2m
50% is $8.5m

MWC may counter offer - especially if the pee5 wants something low like 30% or $5.1m.

Then it’s deal or no deal.

I’m hoping for 70% and no less than 60% on the exit fee and likewise on the poaching fee.
 
PorkerPoke said:
The podcast with Gloria:

Very short - yes, the MWC offered pursuit of mediation. The MWC may not like it and withdraw (the same for the P12). The MWC may decide the terms are good and settle or reject them. Final avenue is the legal system.

Obviously there is a willingness to come to terms. Sounds like the MWC will be expecting a target amount at the minimum. I don’t know if any of that is required to disclose. Wouldn’t think so anyway.

I can see it like this:

MWC - owed x dollars literally per agreements.

MWC wants to hear what the highest and best offer is for settlement.

My thought is the offer is something like 80%, 70%, 60% or 50% based on the $17m exit fee:
80% is $13.6m
70% is $11.9m
60% is $10.2m
50% is $8.5m

MWC may counter offer - especially if the pee5 wants something low like 30% or $5.1m.

Then it’s deal or no deal.

I’m hoping for 70% and no less than 60% on the exit fee and likewise on the poaching fee.
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Too soon in my opinion to go to mediation unless ordered by the Court.
 
doreno5 said:
Too soon in my opinion to go to mediation unless ordered by the Court.
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The MWC definitely has the upper hand in this legal battle. Their major problem is they promised UNLV and Air Force a large payment by a certain date to entice them to stay. If they go through with the full legal process, they may not be able to meet that financial obligation on time, and then they are really in a precarious spot.

I would think the MWC has some very good reasons to settle this outside the courts. I'm not sure the PAC does. I don't think the MWC is going to get a very good offer from the PAC during this mediation process.
 
TheRealUW said:
The MWC definitely has the upper hand in this legal battle. Their major problem is they promised UNLV and Air Force a large payment by a certain date to entice them to stay. If they go through with the full legal process, they may not be able to meet that financial obligation on time, and then they are really in a precarious spot.

I would think the MWC has some very good reasons to settle this outside the courts. I'm not sure the PAC does. I don't think the MWC is going to get a very good offer from the PAC during this mediation process.
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The case will be resolved in mediation, bank on it. No upside for any side to continue to litigate this in public. Divorce settlement will be forthcoming.
 
So the news is out that UNLV doesn’t have the money to pay for the contract of their new football coach. Something like $17.5 million over 5 years and they can only cover 2 years.

It really doesn’t sound like anyone but the MWC with the 24% share (if it happens) of the exit/poach money is clamoring to bestow big funds on the Rebtards.

12 days away from the court date and a lot of crickets chirping about what might be happening with the mediation.

It just seems like UNLV should be left untouched by the pee12, but what if the pee12 offers unlv an extra incentive behind the scenes if unlv cooperates in helping bring down the expected MWC revenue to the point where not everyone in the MWC gets what was agreed upon terminating the grant of rights?

The former MWC members might feel jilted by having to pay to bring unlv in unless they are desperate for an 8th football program and a more notable hoops program than Texas State.

It sounds like the least expensive option for the pee12 is pursuit of Texas State at this point. The AAC just defined their requirements for revenue sharing with athletes which shows the pressure the other G league conferences will have to deal with.

The next few days could start popping…
 
3/18/25 - in case anyone missed it, both the pee12 and MWC have officially filed a mutual 60 day order to stay the case that was to start next week to discuss mediation options.

The MWC proposed the mediation and now the tail wagging pee12 dogs obliged. Is it “Let’s make a deal” time?

I keep hearing that the pee2 schools aren’t happy about the lack of baseball programs with the traitor pee5 programs and a potential target school Texas State doesn’t do baseball. Is it the small things that keep adding up that make the hardline stance harder to continue on behalf of the potential pee12 conference that doesn’t completely exist as a valid football conference yet? A number of MWC programs such as UNLV have baseball.
 
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