Itsux2beaewe
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Thanks. What state were these filed in?
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UNLV and Nevada rumored to PAC 12
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ragtimejoe1
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Inside the grant of media rights contract Mountain West schools have signed
As the Pac-12 looks to add a necessary eighth football-playing school, the Mountain West's strongest binding agent in retaining its current membership is the 15
nevadasportsnet.com
Saw that last night. I have a theory but I'm probably completely wrong on it.
Itsux2beaewe
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Your theory is?
It's hard to explain but...I think the MW is playing little bit of gambling. We negotiate enough $$$ from the PAC Whatever to keep any more schools from leaving, i.e. UNLV and AFA. Meanwhile, the PAC whatever grabs several eastern schools...Texas State, UConn for football only, Memphis, Tulane, and South Florida. There might be another but anyway. They join only to find out the TV deal they were promised is nowhere near they want especially with travel costs. So, the AAC schools that planned to join hi-tail it back ASAP. UConn bails as well. Thus, leaving the PAC whatever with a conference that TV doesn't really care about. So, the soon-to-be gone MW schools are forced to realize they need the MW and within a few weeks there's a full merger announced.
As soon as I say this, the exact opposite ends up happening.
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I honestly believe the PAC Whatever really believes that it's on par with the Big 12, ACC, etc....
The reality is that the PAC Whatever is no better than the Mountain West. The people running the PAC Whatever and its' new members coming from the MW hasn't been bitch-slapped yet!!!!
The reality is that the PAC Whatever is no better than the Mountain West. The people running the PAC Whatever and its' new members coming from the MW hasn't been bitch-slapped yet!!!!
Both parties would benefit from having this settled outside the courts. I'm sure the legal teams on both sides realize this, and I expect a negotiated settlement to come out of this relatively quickly.
The PAC seems steadfast in their belief that their "brand value" is going to result in a lucrative TV deal. It's a bizarre thought process. Very few, if any, people are fans of conferences. They are fans of teams and they only care about the conference because their favorite team is in it. How many people that used to watch games involving the old PAC teams are going to tune into the new PAC games simply because it's still the PAC conference name? I doubt many.
It almost makes me wonder if they actually believe what they are saying or if they are just saying it in an attempt to speak it into reality.
The PAC seems steadfast in their belief that their "brand value" is going to result in a lucrative TV deal. It's a bizarre thought process. Very few, if any, people are fans of conferences. They are fans of teams and they only care about the conference because their favorite team is in it. How many people that used to watch games involving the old PAC teams are going to tune into the new PAC games simply because it's still the PAC conference name? I doubt many.
It almost makes me wonder if they actually believe what they are saying or if they are just saying it in an attempt to speak it into reality.
Go from playing USC to matching up with CSU every year. I just don't understand why Oregon State and Washington State fans are not excited about this new rivalry.
Hope OSU and WSU get a serious dose of reality on how they are viewed and their brands. Pretty tough when have to make it on your own without the gravy train that was the old Pac-12.
PorkerPoke
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There is very unlikely any chance an AAC program abandons the already $10m plus TV contract along with stout exit fees for a more costly proposition that won’t pay enough to offset the added debt in sufficient amounts with triple the travel.
The p12 TV markets are overall not that spectacular. San Diego - the best. Oregano State and Washed Up State don’t influence the population centers like the ducks and huskies. Fresno - it’s ok. Utard State doesn’t have much in Utah not already consumed by the B12. Boise - it’s ok but not the media darlings they once were. SheepSU is a big 2nd place kinda overshadowed by Prime Time TV.
The most likely grab will have to come from the Sun Belt or the MAC. Texas State has been the quiet one. I haven’t tried to find any scuttlebutt for the Boobcats and there really isn’t much. The Sun Belt is still on the cheaper side but has easily surpassed the CUSA and probably the MAC as well.
That leaves the pee12 trying to make a deal for the MWC to give up a team by paying the MWC off. The MWC has 9 with a big bill owed to 2 programs. IMO the MWC has to protect keeping UNLV and/or AFA to survive better off than becoming the next CUSA. Which MWC team would be expendable then? Nevada and SJSU are geographically the best but not the best in athletic department value and TV interest. Hawaii is a bigger isolated market and has stadium issues. Newbies UTEP and NIU despite their locations don’t trip the interest meter one iota. Maybe UNM, but in reality their market is not that much more spectacular than the one that encompasses a large swath of the Rocky Mountains and western plains. But, ABQ can handle all private and commercial flights potentially making it a less expensive burden. The AD’s have to consider the bottom line - how much is left to pay the expenses and have some kind of a slush fund to terminate unproductive coaches if needed.
It just seems like the P12 is down to desperation time with less than 30 days until the lawsuit trials begin and the message from Memphis was clear - NO! Reason - CAN’T AFFORD. I believe if Memphis says publicly no the other AAC programs will be like reasoning with their decisions if pursued.
If the pee12 want ms the best TV package they pretty much need UNLV and AFA otherwise they are relying on BSU to bring the $$$.
The last 3 weeks were filled with speculation that faded fast. Then early this week the SDSU AD made claims that TV is imminent and hinted bigger than the AAC.
Let’s see, east of the Mississippi is a substantial population hence the size of the AAC TV deal. The further west you go the competition is the B12, B1O and ACC and they will be dominating the best morning to evening TV prime slots on the biggest networks. The new P12 and the MWC will be sharing the rest of the territory as the 2 premier (and only) lower tier conferences operating exclusively west of the Mississippi.
The p12 TV markets are overall not that spectacular. San Diego - the best. Oregano State and Washed Up State don’t influence the population centers like the ducks and huskies. Fresno - it’s ok. Utard State doesn’t have much in Utah not already consumed by the B12. Boise - it’s ok but not the media darlings they once were. SheepSU is a big 2nd place kinda overshadowed by Prime Time TV.
The most likely grab will have to come from the Sun Belt or the MAC. Texas State has been the quiet one. I haven’t tried to find any scuttlebutt for the Boobcats and there really isn’t much. The Sun Belt is still on the cheaper side but has easily surpassed the CUSA and probably the MAC as well.
That leaves the pee12 trying to make a deal for the MWC to give up a team by paying the MWC off. The MWC has 9 with a big bill owed to 2 programs. IMO the MWC has to protect keeping UNLV and/or AFA to survive better off than becoming the next CUSA. Which MWC team would be expendable then? Nevada and SJSU are geographically the best but not the best in athletic department value and TV interest. Hawaii is a bigger isolated market and has stadium issues. Newbies UTEP and NIU despite their locations don’t trip the interest meter one iota. Maybe UNM, but in reality their market is not that much more spectacular than the one that encompasses a large swath of the Rocky Mountains and western plains. But, ABQ can handle all private and commercial flights potentially making it a less expensive burden. The AD’s have to consider the bottom line - how much is left to pay the expenses and have some kind of a slush fund to terminate unproductive coaches if needed.
It just seems like the P12 is down to desperation time with less than 30 days until the lawsuit trials begin and the message from Memphis was clear - NO! Reason - CAN’T AFFORD. I believe if Memphis says publicly no the other AAC programs will be like reasoning with their decisions if pursued.
If the pee12 want ms the best TV package they pretty much need UNLV and AFA otherwise they are relying on BSU to bring the $$$.
The last 3 weeks were filled with speculation that faded fast. Then early this week the SDSU AD made claims that TV is imminent and hinted bigger than the AAC.
Let’s see, east of the Mississippi is a substantial population hence the size of the AAC TV deal. The further west you go the competition is the B12, B1O and ACC and they will be dominating the best morning to evening TV prime slots on the biggest networks. The new P12 and the MWC will be sharing the rest of the territory as the 2 premier (and only) lower tier conferences operating exclusively west of the Mississippi.
PorkerPoke
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I came across this: Arbitration
May be required per the agreements…May be perfunctory.
rocket city poke
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PorkerPoke
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The Monty Show was the latest source I listened to in the link above entitled “Arbitration” I posted. If you don’t have almost an hour to view it here is my best abbreviation of it:
Currently none of the 5 soon to be former MWC have submitted their written statement and a nominal $5,000 fee that must accompany it. They have to complete that action by June 1 or fees double and if after June 30 even more. They are exactly in the same position that SDSU was in 2023 and they wrote those rules.
They now don’t want those rules applied to them. The MWC wins here.
But, the 5 are still voting members in the MWC and that strangles the MWC from doing some strategically important work because they can’t by law be clandestine from the 5 Judas’s until their resignations are received.
The pee2 have no grants of right or actual signed agreements with the pee5 that binds them into the watered down P12. With the initial court date of March 25 approaching, the 5 betrayers would be paying double legal fees but could do a lot of financial ruin to the remaining MWC members. Everyone would be losers when there aren’t millions to toss around to lawyers who likely would make sure they took their share out of the deal.
So - with both sides in a catch-22 situation it really is best to deal with the expense of arbitration rather than continuing with litigation and appeals and so forth.
The advantage stays with the MWC but it could be to an advantage to make a deal where everyone emerges from the rubble not suddenly weak financially in this expensive environment called athletics.
As for TV, the pee12 brand doesn’t officially have anything to work with besides the P2 and declarations. The question is - what TV networks would want to bestow a major financial commitment at this point to a conference that could be legally messed up long term and unable to function as required with 8 members?
The consensus is that there will be a P12 and a MWC. The clock is ticking for everyone before the big legal battle $$ sucking court cases begin.
Bottom line is the pee5 programs are stalling and desperate to emerge from this while the MWC doesn’t want to be sabotaged as everyone ultimately loses something.
It’s my thought that this is likely to be a cash influx for the MWC and will be necessary to move forward but it won’t be the big payday as originally anticipated and it could have a price tag. Those things never are and the pee12 brand is still desperate for one more football member with that deadline looming. The pee12 TV deal likely hinges on who is willing to join them. Myself I would not feel the MWC is 100% safe intact as currently agreed. The $$ may say make a deal. Could this be a play to pursue UNLV? It’s just a thought based on the way the deals are aligned with who is owed what by when.
Currently none of the 5 soon to be former MWC have submitted their written statement and a nominal $5,000 fee that must accompany it. They have to complete that action by June 1 or fees double and if after June 30 even more. They are exactly in the same position that SDSU was in 2023 and they wrote those rules.
They now don’t want those rules applied to them. The MWC wins here.
But, the 5 are still voting members in the MWC and that strangles the MWC from doing some strategically important work because they can’t by law be clandestine from the 5 Judas’s until their resignations are received.
The pee2 have no grants of right or actual signed agreements with the pee5 that binds them into the watered down P12. With the initial court date of March 25 approaching, the 5 betrayers would be paying double legal fees but could do a lot of financial ruin to the remaining MWC members. Everyone would be losers when there aren’t millions to toss around to lawyers who likely would make sure they took their share out of the deal.
So - with both sides in a catch-22 situation it really is best to deal with the expense of arbitration rather than continuing with litigation and appeals and so forth.
The advantage stays with the MWC but it could be to an advantage to make a deal where everyone emerges from the rubble not suddenly weak financially in this expensive environment called athletics.
As for TV, the pee12 brand doesn’t officially have anything to work with besides the P2 and declarations. The question is - what TV networks would want to bestow a major financial commitment at this point to a conference that could be legally messed up long term and unable to function as required with 8 members?
The consensus is that there will be a P12 and a MWC. The clock is ticking for everyone before the big legal battle $$ sucking court cases begin.
Bottom line is the pee5 programs are stalling and desperate to emerge from this while the MWC doesn’t want to be sabotaged as everyone ultimately loses something.
It’s my thought that this is likely to be a cash influx for the MWC and will be necessary to move forward but it won’t be the big payday as originally anticipated and it could have a price tag. Those things never are and the pee12 brand is still desperate for one more football member with that deadline looming. The pee12 TV deal likely hinges on who is willing to join them. Myself I would not feel the MWC is 100% safe intact as currently agreed. The $$ may say make a deal. Could this be a play to pursue UNLV? It’s just a thought based on the way the deals are aligned with who is owed what by when.
Itsux2beaewe
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Ditto
Same here. Reality is going to bitch-slap the PAC whatever and so-to-be former MW schools really hard!!!!!
