This makes me sick...

[MrTitleist]

Can't even tell you guys how much I'm looking forward to watching the Cowboys play in front of 800 fans in Portland, 2000 fans in Pocatello, 1500 fans in Greeley, and 17 fans in Cedar City. Cowboy football will be so riveting, the money will just come pouring in.

Meanwhile, not everyone in FCS becomes NDSU, Montana, AppSt, Georgia Southern, etc. There's a reason all of these schools are moving up, not down.. even Idaho. I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with bunny.

 

[Wyovanian]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

You must be frustrated that moving to France in 1938 isn't an option for you...

I'm convinced that you're projecting your own surrender monkey life experience onto UW Football. Thank God the program's sooooo much bigger than you or your way of thinking. Somewhere in there, I believe, is an agenda to make yourself feel better about settling for whatever instead of getting what you really want (because, darn it, it's just too hard and you're just not good enough) by seeing UW Football do the same. You DON'T have facts on your side. FACT is, it's not an option. UW can either play FBS Football or not play football.

There are two types of people who get lost in the woods. Those who realize they are the ones who will determine whether or not they get out alive, and those who just sit down and, basically, just die of shame.

Which are you?

So you're OK with an uncompetitive football team as long as it's FBS? You wouldn't rather have NDSU's program? You never seem to answer my questions, you just lecture me.

Me, I'm all for being competitive in FBS Football. Because we have no real choice.

So, again, which are you?

Apparently we do have a choice. We haven't been competitive at FBS football for nearly 20 years. You probably believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well. What you call surrender I call common sense. Let me ask you, realistically, how many years of the status quo are you willing to take before enough is enough? Or are you truly OK with never having a winning program?

Oh, you're right. We can play FBS Football or not play football. That's the choice. FCS, from a financial and Title IX standpoint is not an option.

Shall we elect you to head the Capitulation Study Panel?

 

[303cowboy]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

Oh my.

I, personally will take an occasional New Mexico Bowl here and there, no problem, versus dropping a level of competition. Wyoming is on a bad 16 year streak right now, no doubt. Blame Tom Burman and his vision - with the 2 coach firings (Joe & Dickface) in his tenure. Before that, blame Moon for Vic's hiring (horrible hire), and blame the board of trustees for not allowing Moon to hire Urban (epic mistake).

Can you educate this youngin? What was the story here? Moon tried to hire Urban? Never heard of this

 

[Wyovanian]

We're turning into Washington Husky fans. They have a running joke..."it's okay, nothing's wrong, 20XX will be special".

Fuck...I remember a few years ago we thought by 2015 DC would have the program at a point where it would be a top contender annually. I'm not advocating for FCS like SD is, but he's right...he has facts (about recent suckage) and everyone else has pom poms.

...but it's okay, 2018 will be special. Sorry, JMO....but "you're wrong because we're gonna be great in a few years!" isn't a solid argument.

Thank you! Some sanity among the cheerleading! I have new for you people, just because you THINK Bohl is going to turn it around, doesn't make it so. I read the same things about Dimel, Joe Glenn and DC. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I bet your stunted growth is a result of giving up your lunch money every day without a fight.

So, tell us all, what would YOU change the motto "Cowboy Tough" too after dropping a level in competition?

I'm not really worried about a catchy slogan. They have lost their first three games by an average of 16 points, so I'm not sure how "Cowboy Tough" that is to begin with.

So the concept of the motto is not at all important to you? It has no meaning?

You're expressing, through all of your pansy opinion, a mindset that probably pervades your life. Let me guess- you avoid confrontation, don't send back bad food in restaurants, let people cut in line in front of you, look the other way when someone's doing something illegal...

Ever hear of the code?

http://cowboyethics.org/cowboy-ethics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Wyovanian]

Ok, you drop to FCS - three fourths of you team will bolt, the coaching staff will bolt, nine tenths of the fans will bolt, and the money is all gone. What are you going to do now?

OK someone answer me a question then. I truly want to know. If you're one of the people who say you would stop following the team if it dropped a level, tell me why that is the case. Why would you incredibly passionate fans suddenly stop caring? What is it about the FBS designation you hold so dear? Why could you turn your fandom off overnight? Is seeing a Nebraska or Texas come to the War once in a while all that captivates your interest? What about being 3-9 year after year in FBS is so much better than being 10-2 in FCS? It's still football. It's still on Saturday. It's still tailgating. It's all those things, only we don't know we are going to get trucked prior to kickoff. So someone please tell me what the big deal is?

Apparently we don't, um, how do I politely put this, run in the same donor circles.

Do you think Union Wireless and BP will continue to contribute money to UW at the same level as they do now if Wyoming was playing in front of crowds averaging under 5k with zero television?

I'm as loyal to UW and its mission as anyone else, and I will express that loyalty, financially, as its needs inspire me to. An FCS Football program doesn't exactly make me reach for my checkbook too quickly. Same goes with most of the people I know who park around me...

The problem you have, SD, is you think most of Wyoming's fans think like you, They don't, and they won't. Those are facts. Most successful, generous, bleed-Brown-and-Gold Wyoming fans are ambitious, forward thinkers who don't believe in quitting. That's a fact.

 

[WyoBrandX]

What happens when we don't pull it off in FCS? Do we drop down to High School football? If that doesn't work, junior high, pop warner?

We are a division 1 program. That is where we compete. The administration is much to blame on the problems of the past.

We are damned lucky to have Coach Schyatt. After winning a championship and wanting more for his coaches, it took months of negotiating and he finally secured the contract. I'm sure he gave up alot - because he wants to be here. Many would have up and took the NBA job.

I hope they are paying attention, and get the AA finished up to help Schyatt out. I hope they are finding ways to increase the salary pool.

The number one reason coaches fail here is they don't have the resources to get it done. The administration collects a big paycheck and their jobs are safe regardless if the coaches win or loose.

 

[Wyokie]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

Oh my.

I, personally will take an occasional New Mexico Bowl here and there, no problem, versus dropping a level of competition. Wyoming is on a bad 16 year streak right now, no doubt. Blame Tom Burman and his vision - with the 2 coach firings (Joe & Dickface) in his tenure. Before that, blame Moon for Vic's hiring (horrible hire), and blame the board of trustees for not allowing Moon to hire Urban (epic mistake).

Can you educate this youngin? What was the story here? Moon tried to hire Urban? Never heard of this

I never heard of that either. Moon tried to hire Urban? I call BS.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

You must be frustrated that moving to France in 1938 isn't an option for you...

I'm convinced that you're projecting your own surrender monkey life experience onto UW Football. Thank God the program's sooooo much bigger than you or your way of thinking. Somewhere in there, I believe, is an agenda to make yourself feel better about settling for whatever instead of getting what you really want (because, darn it, it's just too hard and you're just not good enough) by seeing UW Football do the same. You DON'T have facts on your side. FACT is, it's not an option. UW can either play FBS Football or not play football.

There are two types of people who get lost in the woods. Those who realize they are the ones who will determine whether or not they get out alive, and those who just sit down and, basically, just die of shame.

Which are you?

So you're OK with an uncompetitive football team as long as it's FBS? You wouldn't rather have NDSU's program? You never seem to answer my questions, you just lecture me.

Me, I'm all for being competitive in FBS Football. Because we have no real choice.

So, again, which are you?

Apparently we do have a choice. We haven't been competitive at FBS football for nearly 20 years. You probably believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well. What you call surrender I call common sense. Let me ask you, realistically, how many years of the status quo are you willing to take before enough is enough? Or are you truly OK with never having a winning program?

Oh, you're right. We can play FBS Football or not play football. That's the choice. FCS, from a financial and Title IX standpoint is not an option.

Shall we elect you to head the Capitulation Study Panel?

You didn't tell me how many years of the status quo you are willing to suffer through.

 

[SDPokeFan]

We're turning into Washington Husky fans. They have a running joke..."it's okay, nothing's wrong, 20XX will be special".

Fuck...I remember a few years ago we thought by 2015 DC would have the program at a point where it would be a top contender annually. I'm not advocating for FCS like SD is, but he's right...he has facts (about recent suckage) and everyone else has pom poms.

...but it's okay, 2018 will be special. Sorry, JMO....but "you're wrong because we're gonna be great in a few years!" isn't a solid argument.

Thank you! Some sanity among the cheerleading! I have new for you people, just because you THINK Bohl is going to turn it around, doesn't make it so. I read the same things about Dimel, Joe Glenn and DC. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I bet your stunted growth is a result of giving up your lunch money every day without a fight.

So, tell us all, what would YOU change the motto "Cowboy Tough" too after dropping a level in competition?

I'm not really worried about a catchy slogan. They have lost their first three games by an average of 16 points, so I'm not sure how "Cowboy Tough" that is to begin with.

So the concept of the motto is not at all important to you? It has no meaning?

You're expressing, through all of your pansy opinion, a mindset that probably pervades your life. Let me guess- you avoid confrontation, don't send back bad food in restaurants, let people cut in line in front of you, look the other way when someone's doing something illegal...

Ever hear of the code?

http://cowboyethics.org/cowboy-ethics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So in your opinion, "Cowboy Tough" describes this year's team? Or is it the talk that is important, not the actions? Are you the kind of guy who talks tough when there are three people between you and the guy you're chirping at? Hold me back! Hold me back! You're a pretty good internet tough guy, I give you that.

Oh, and from experience, I can tell you when you complain and send food back, there's a 90 percent chance your new food is coming back with bodily fluids of some sort on it.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Ok, you drop to FCS - three fourths of you team will bolt, the coaching staff will bolt, nine tenths of the fans will bolt, and the money is all gone. What are you going to do now?

OK someone answer me a question then. I truly want to know. If you're one of the people who say you would stop following the team if it dropped a level, tell me why that is the case. Why would you incredibly passionate fans suddenly stop caring? What is it about the FBS designation you hold so dear? Why could you turn your fandom off overnight? Is seeing a Nebraska or Texas come to the War once in a while all that captivates your interest? What about being 3-9 year after year in FBS is so much better than being 10-2 in FCS? It's still football. It's still on Saturday. It's still tailgating. It's all those things, only we don't know we are going to get trucked prior to kickoff. So someone please tell me what the big deal is?

Apparently we don't, um, how do I politely put this, run in the same donor circles.

Do you think Union Wireless and BP will continue to contribute money to UW at the same level as they do now if Wyoming was playing in front of crowds averaging under 5k with zero television?

I'm as loyal to UW and its mission as anyone else, and I will express that loyalty, financially, as its needs inspire me to. An FCS Football program doesn't exactly make me reach for my checkbook too quickly. Same goes with most of the people I know who park around me...

The problem you have, SD, is you think most of Wyoming's fans think like you, They don't, and they won't. Those are facts. Most successful, generous, bleed-Brown-and-Gold Wyoming fans are ambitious, forward thinkers who don't believe in quitting. That's a fact.

But these losses to North Dakota and Eastern Michigan have you reaching for that checkbook faster than you can spell upset. Seems a little odd, but whatever you say man.

 

[SDPokeFan]

What happens when we don't pull it off in FCS? Do we drop down to High School football? If that doesn't work, junior high, pop warner?

We are a division 1 program. That is where we compete. The administration is much to blame on the problems of the past.

We are damned lucky to have Coach Schyatt. After winning a championship and wanting more for his coaches, it took months of negotiating and he finally secured the contract. I'm sure he gave up alot - because he wants to be here. Many would have up and took the NBA job.

I hope they are paying attention, and get the AA finished up to help Schyatt out. I hope they are finding ways to increase the salary pool.

The number one reason coaches fail here is they don't have the resources to get it done. The administration collects a big paycheck and their jobs are safe regardless if the coaches win or loose.

You have a pretty loose definition of the word compete.

 

[McPeachy]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

Oh my.

I, personally will take an occasional New Mexico Bowl here and there, no problem, versus dropping a level of competition. Wyoming is on a bad 16 year streak right now, no doubt. Blame Tom Burman and his vision - with the 2 coach firings (Joe & Dickface) in his tenure. Before that, blame Moon for Vic's hiring (horrible hire), and blame the board of trustees for not allowing Moon to hire Urban (epic mistake).

Can you educate this youngin? What was the story here? Moon tried to hire Urban? Never heard of this

I never heard of that either. Moon tried to hire Urban? I call BS.

Call it what you want. There were 2 finalist candidates for UW's head coaching spot after the firing of Vic, in the winter of 2003:

1. Joe Glenn (Montana)
2. Urban Meyer (Bowling Green)

How it shook out - and what I was told, from Moon's BFF (not shitting you) is that both were presented as the top 2 candidates, with Moon leaning towards Urban. The UW BOT felt Joe Glenn fit Wyoming better, and was leaning that direction (it was also $$ related). Could they have "had Urban"? Maybe - but I doubt it, given their way of thinking, lack of passion regarding Wyoming athletics, and willingness to invest large $$ into the football program (major mistake - again - as I have already stated).

:shock:

NOW THAT SAID - as I also understand it, Urban pulled the trigger first, and felt Utah was a better fit for him (largely due to the players left in place by McBride), and the size of the SLC community.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

As many have said here, FCS in simply NOT an option; our only options are 1) Stay right where we are, or 2) Cut the football program. That's it...why you ask?

1) Money...as has been said on here by several people, not only would we lose a LOT of sponsor dollars, I would suspect we would also be sued by several individuals/corporations seeking to be refunded for monies they donated. The reasoning being that they donated their money to a FBS football team, not an FCS team.

2) Fan following...again, noted by many, we would lose a great deal of support. I would probably still follow Wyo football, but only at a very casual level. I would have zero interest going to games (why? because I have zero desire to spend money watching an FCS football game; sorry Montana fans). Furthermore, I would have no desire to donate monetarily to a program that dropped a division. I'm sure many would be in the same boat as me.

3) Success...so people seem to think we would suddenly be in the same echelon as the Montana's and NDSU of the FCS. Frankly, I don't think we would. I think we would be a middling FCS squad. Why? Because outside of having some very nice facilities, we don't have any advantage in recruiting over these other schools, there is NOTHING to say we would suddenly be the belle of the ball at the FCS level.

4) PAY ATTENTION, this is the most important point of all. It is more profitable to be the worst FBS team than it is to be the best FCS team!!! There it is in black and white; the most simplistic answer to this topic. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with wins and losses...it has to do with money. College sports are a business, businesses don't decide to cut their budgets in half.

 

[calpoke25]

SD, you don't get it. There is no limit on the number of years we will "tolerate" sucking at FBS. None. I'd rather live the rest of my life as a fan of a sucky FBS team than drop down. And again, dropping down is no guarantee of success. We can't simply teleport the same program, same fans, same players, same money, same conference for other sports to FCS. You want us to build a basketball program in the big sky?

How does the saying go? I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Wyoming can suck the rest of my life but I'm sure as hell not giving up.

 

[SDPokeFan]

I would have zero interest going to games (why? because I have zero desire to spend money watching an FCS football game; sorry Montana fans).

Guess what, you already are watching an FCS football game. That powerhouse North Dakota team we lost to opening day lost by 30 to the defending FCS national champions last Saturday. We are FBS in name only, not on the field product. Come to think of it, we are all kind of already getting what we want. You guys have the FBS name, and I have the FCS team on the field.

 

[kansasCowboy]

I would have zero interest going to games (why? because I have zero desire to spend money watching an FCS football game; sorry Montana fans).

Guess what, you already are watching an FCS football game. That powerhouse North Dakota team we lost to opening day lost by 30 to the defending FCS national champions last Saturday. We are FBS in name only, not on the field product. Come to think of it, we are all kind of already getting what we want. You guys have the FBS name, and I have the FCS team on the field.

There you go... Now, live with it and stop with the argument of dropping.

I'm with the others. I'll go as long as it takes before moving to FCS.

 

[Asmodeanreborn]

Also, dropping to FCS would mean we'd never have enough decent players to have even a remote chance to beat the sheep. We'd be guaranteed to lose every single time - if they were gracious enough to schedule us, that is.

That alone should be argument enough to not even consider it.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Even if it were something we wanted to do now, dropping down could be a disastrous problem in the future of CFB.

There is a very good chance that we will be relegated to another division below the highest level of competition in CFB. We need to hold course for now to see where this goes. When the P5 splits, which I think is very likely, then we certainly want to be positioned to be in the next highest level. Scraps are going to be hard to come by outside of the P5 and even worse for the current FCS.

There is no reason to drop now or to drop in the future. I do think DINO is correct in that the report spurred UW a little. The new president will also be critical for the development of UW football. Even if there was motivation to drop down, which there isn't, there are too many moving parts to do so now.

 

[MrTitleist]

Also, dropping to FCS would mean we'd never have enough decent players to have even a remote chance to beat the sheep. We'd be guaranteed to lose every single time - if they were gracious enough to schedule us, that is.

That alone should be argument enough to not even consider it.

Actually, we'd probably never play them again.

 

[Wyovanian]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

You must be frustrated that moving to France in 1938 isn't an option for you...

I'm convinced that you're projecting your own surrender monkey life experience onto UW Football. Thank God the program's sooooo much bigger than you or your way of thinking. Somewhere in there, I believe, is an agenda to make yourself feel better about settling for whatever instead of getting what you really want (because, darn it, it's just too hard and you're just not good enough) by seeing UW Football do the same. You DON'T have facts on your side. FACT is, it's not an option. UW can either play FBS Football or not play football.

There are two types of people who get lost in the woods. Those who realize they are the ones who will determine whether or not they get out alive, and those who just sit down and, basically, just die of shame.

Which are you?

So you're OK with an uncompetitive football team as long as it's FBS? You wouldn't rather have NDSU's program? You never seem to answer my questions, you just lecture me.

Me, I'm all for being competitive in FBS Football. Because we have no real choice.

So, again, which are you?

Apparently we do have a choice. We haven't been competitive at FBS football for nearly 20 years. You probably believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well. What you call surrender I call common sense. Let me ask you, realistically, how many years of the status quo are you willing to take before enough is enough? Or are you truly OK with never having a winning program?

Oh, you're right. We can play FBS Football or not play football. That's the choice. FCS, from a financial and Title IX standpoint is not an option.

Shall we elect you to head the Capitulation Study Panel?

You didn't tell me how many years of the status quo you are willing to suffer through.

Whatever it takes. Never give up.

If you don't have the hide for it, the door's open. You would probably find the South Dakota schools a better fit to your way of thinking.