This makes me sick...

[WyoBrandX]

Dropping to FCS is like an adult saying "I'm tired of being grown up, I'm going to be a kid again."

Dropping a level to compete - seriously - why bother to achieve when you can underachieve?

 

[J-Rod]

We're turning into Washington Husky fans. They have a running joke..."it's okay, nothing's wrong, 20XX will be special".

Fuck...I remember a few years ago we thought by 2015 DC would have the program at a point where it would be a top contender annually. I'm not advocating for FCS like SD is, but he's right...he has facts (about recent suckage) and everyone else has pom poms.

...but it's okay, 2018 will be special. Sorry, JMO....but "you're wrong because we're gonna be great in a few years!" isn't a solid argument.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

Oh my.

I, personally will take an occasional New Mexico Bowl here and there, no problem, versus dropping a level of competition. Wyoming is on a bad 16 year streak right now, no doubt. Blame Tom Burman and his vision - with the 2 coach firings (Joe & Dickface) in his tenure. Before that, blame Moon for Vic's hiring (horrible hire), and blame the board of trustees for not allowing Moon to hire Urban (epic mistake). So, here we are, still trying, and we have to give 'ol Bohly a shot...and at least 5 years before anything is done (which in my opinion would be cleaning house). Some people, like you, when the going gets tough or things seem insurmountable, take their ball and go play with the girls on the other side of the playground. Some people, like me, keep trying - and working to be the best...never giving up.

You continually fail to realize that dropping a level in football does more than potentially make the team competitive - there is no guarantee that will happen by the way. You lose TV money, you lose football scholarship and scholarship money (cost of attendance), you lose booster money, you lose budget, you lose title IX scholarships for other sports, you lose FBS conference affiliation, you lose other sports, you lose department staff - top to bottom, you lose just general interest (and most importantly) you lose a fanbase.

So if you want Wyoming to fail, really fail, let's drop a level and completely alienate our fanbase. Those 30 years of 5,000 in the stands after dropping a level will be fun to watch (and watch from afar for me personally).

You will never convince me that we would lose the fan base. You people would honestly rather watch a shitty FBS team than a dominant FCS one? You wouldn't trade places with NDSU or Montana right now, in a heartbeat? I sure as hell would. If you wouldn't, I say again: You don't care about the football team or results, you care about the three letters—FBS. All the rest of this is window dressing. You either want to see a successful football team, or you don't. Which is it? You and I agree on one point, certainly. There is no guarantee we would be successful at the FCS level. The North Dakota and Cal-Poly games showed us all that. But we have a hell of a lot better chance of being a dominant FCS school than we do at FBS.

Didn't we just beat Montana and NDSU a few years back in our horrid time that you think we should drop a level?
So maybe we are successfull if we drop a level, we can beat up on the ISU'z, Drakes, UNI's, Sac St.'s, and then we have teams like us that are going to beat up on us once per year while we play the game just for a paycheck? And call ourselves succesful then?
What is successful about losing to UNLV by 30 and blowing out everyone else on the schedule, go 14-1 and have a FCS Champ?
Nah, I'd prefer to watch other teams drop a level before us. We just need to fight through this. I mean come on, NMSU? Idaho? UNLV? SJSU? Sun Belt? Almost ALL of that should drop a level before we do.

 

[MrTitleist]

You will never convince me that we would lose the fan base. You people would honestly rather watch a shitty FBS team than a dominant FCS one? You wouldn't trade places with NDSU or Montana right now, in a heartbeat? I sure as hell would. If you wouldn't, I say again: You don't care about the football team or results, you care about the three letters—FBS. All the rest of this is window dressing. You either want to see a successful football team, or you don't. Which is it? You and I agree on one point, certainly. There is no guarantee we would be successful at the FCS level. The North Dakota and Cal-Poly games showed us all that. But we have a hell of a lot better chance of being a dominant FCS school than we do at FBS.

Go check your FCS attendance figures. Montana is the highest drawing FCS team, and there's no one near them. UM averages a little over 25000. So you want to attend a bunch of games that average 10,000 fans or fewer EVERY SINGLE WEEK? Oooookay, guy.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Wyoming would drop the sport and go all out for basketball Gonzaga style before moving to the Big Sky.

I would be all for this. I think we can build a strong basketball program in the vein of Gonzaga, Wichita State, etc. While I would certainly miss September tailgating in Laramie, I wouldn't miss getting pounded game in and game out. I can't remember the last game I went to the team actually won.

You would be all for this? Are you out of your mind? Drop football? Get lost. We have only just begun to build a perennial conference contender with Craig Bohl. When we're on the cusp of winning the MWC in the next few years and the state is going ga-ga over Wyoming football again for the first time in eons...I'll remember your insane thoughts.

As will I remember yours. One of us is going to be eating a heaping helping of crow. The past 16 years tells me it will be you doing so.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Dropping to FCS is like an adult saying "I'm tired of being grown up, I'm going to be a kid again."

Dropping a level to compete - seriously - why bother to achieve when you can underachieve?

What exactly are we achieving?

 

[Wyovanian]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

Oh my.

I, personally will take an occasional New Mexico Bowl here and there, no problem, versus dropping a level of competition. Wyoming is on a bad 16 year streak right now, no doubt. Blame Tom Burman and his vision - with the 2 coach firings (Joe & Dickface) in his tenure. Before that, blame Moon for Vic's hiring (horrible hire), and blame the board of trustees for not allowing Moon to hire Urban (epic mistake). So, here we are, still trying, and we have to give 'ol Bohly a shot...and at least 5 years before anything is done (which in my opinion would be cleaning house). Some people, like you, when the going gets tough or things seem insurmountable, take their ball and go play with the girls on the other side of the playground. Some people, like me, keep trying - and working to be the best...never giving up.

You continually fail to realize that dropping a level in football does more than potentially make the team competitive - there is no guarantee that will happen by the way. You lose TV money, you lose football scholarship and scholarship money (cost of attendance), you lose booster money, you lose budget, you lose title IX scholarships for other sports, you lose FBS conference affiliation, you lose other sports, you lose department staff - top to bottom, you lose just general interest (and most importantly) you lose a fanbase.

So if you want Wyoming to fail, really fail, let's drop a level and completely alienate our fanbase. Those 30 years of 5,000 in the stands after dropping a level will be fun to watch (and watch from afar for me personally).

You will never convince me that we would lose the fan base. You people would honestly rather watch a shitty FBS team than a dominant FCS one? You wouldn't trade places with NDSU or Montana right now, in a heartbeat? I sure as hell would. If you wouldn't, I say again: You don't care about the football team or results, you care about the three letters—FBS. All the rest of this is window dressing. You either want to see a successful football team, or you don't. Which is it? You and I agree on one point, certainly. There is no guarantee we would be successful at the FCS level. The North Dakota and Cal-Poly games showed us all that. But we have a hell of a lot better chance of being a dominant FCS school than we do at FBS.

And no one would've ever convinced you that gravity works until someone dropped you on your head.
:brick:

 

[SDPokeFan]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

You must be frustrated that moving to France in 1938 isn't an option for you...

I'm convinced that you're projecting your own surrender monkey life experience onto UW Football. Thank God the program's sooooo much bigger than you or your way of thinking. Somewhere in there, I believe, is an agenda to make yourself feel better about settling for whatever instead of getting what you really want (because, darn it, it's just too hard and you're just not good enough) by seeing UW Football do the same. You DON'T have facts on your side. FACT is, it's not an option. UW can either play FBS Football or not play football.

There are two types of people who get lost in the woods. Those who realize they are the ones who will determine whether or not they get out alive, and those who just sit down and, basically, just die of shame.

Which are you?

So you're OK with an uncompetitive football team as long as it's FBS? You wouldn't rather have NDSU's program? You never seem to answer my questions, you just lecture me.

 

[SDPokeFan]

We're turning into Washington Husky fans. They have a running joke..."it's okay, nothing's wrong, 20XX will be special".

Fuck...I remember a few years ago we thought by 2015 DC would have the program at a point where it would be a top contender annually. I'm not advocating for FCS like SD is, but he's right...he has facts (about recent suckage) and everyone else has pom poms.

...but it's okay, 2018 will be special. Sorry, JMO....but "you're wrong because we're gonna be great in a few years!" isn't a solid argument.

Thank you! Some sanity among the cheerleading! I have news for you people, just because you THINK Bohl is going to turn it around, doesn't make it so. I read the same things about Dimel, Joe Glenn and DC. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[SDPokeFan]

You will never convince me that we would lose the fan base. You people would honestly rather watch a shitty FBS team than a dominant FCS one? You wouldn't trade places with NDSU or Montana right now, in a heartbeat? I sure as hell would. If you wouldn't, I say again: You don't care about the football team or results, you care about the three letters—FBS. All the rest of this is window dressing. You either want to see a successful football team, or you don't. Which is it? You and I agree on one point, certainly. There is no guarantee we would be successful at the FCS level. The North Dakota and Cal-Poly games showed us all that. But we have a hell of a lot better chance of being a dominant FCS school than we do at FBS.

Go check your FCS attendance figures. Montana is the highest drawing FCS team, and there's no one near them. UM averages a little over 25000. So you want to attend a bunch of games that average 10,000 fans or fewer EVERY SINGLE WEEK? Oooookay, guy.

If we're winning instead of losing to Eastern Michigan by three touchdowns? Absolutely.

 

[McPeachy]

You will never convince me that we would lose the fan base. You people would honestly rather watch a shitty FBS team than a dominant FCS one?

It is a fact. You don't want to believe it, and that is fine. I certainly am not going to restate everything I already laid out there. Dropping a level of competition - would be a major drop in the fanbase (on the top of everything else). A major drop...like from 8,000 season ticket holders to maybe 1,000 season ticket holders - if that. And everything else would follow at a ferocious pace.

 

[Wyovanian]

We're turning into Washington Husky fans. They have a running joke..."it's okay, nothing's wrong, 20XX will be special".

Fuck...I remember a few years ago we thought by 2015 DC would have the program at a point where it would be a top contender annually. I'm not advocating for FCS like SD is, but he's right...he has facts (about recent suckage) and everyone else has pom poms.

...but it's okay, 2018 will be special. Sorry, JMO....but "you're wrong because we're gonna be great in a few years!" isn't a solid argument.

Thank you! Some sanity among the cheerleading! I have new for you people, just because you THINK Bohl is going to turn it around, doesn't make it so. I read the same things about Dimel, Joe Glenn and DC. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I bet your stunted growth is a result of giving up your lunch money every day without a fight.

So, tell us all, what would YOU change the motto "Cowboy Tough" too after dropping a level in competition?

 

[Wyovanian]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

You must be frustrated that moving to France in 1938 isn't an option for you...

I'm convinced that you're projecting your own surrender monkey life experience onto UW Football. Thank God the program's sooooo much bigger than you or your way of thinking. Somewhere in there, I believe, is an agenda to make yourself feel better about settling for whatever instead of getting what you really want (because, darn it, it's just too hard and you're just not good enough) by seeing UW Football do the same. You DON'T have facts on your side. FACT is, it's not an option. UW can either play FBS Football or not play football.

There are two types of people who get lost in the woods. Those who realize they are the ones who will determine whether or not they get out alive, and those who just sit down and, basically, just die of shame.

Which are you?

So you're OK with an uncompetitive football team as long as it's FBS? You wouldn't rather have NDSU's program? You never seem to answer my questions, you just lecture me.

Me, I'm all for being competitive in FBS Football. Because we have no real choice.

So, again, which are you?

 

[WYCowboy]

Ok, you drop to FCS - three fourths of you team will bolt, the coaching staff will bolt, nine tenths of the fans will bolt, and the money is all gone. What are you going to do now?

 

[Wyovanian]

Ok, you drop to FCS - three fourths of you team will bolt, the coaching staff will bolt, nine tenths of the fans will bolt, and the money is all gone. What are you going to do now?

DON"T bother the surrender monkeys with probabilities...

 

[The Virginian]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

So, dropping to 65 scholarships and playing the likes of Northern Colorado every year is going to save the football program? Oh really?

I can already imagine the rush to indifference among the Wyoming people. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Dropping down is ridiculous.

Equally as ridiculous is the half decade stuff.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Nope, I didn't write it, but I don't have to tell you I agree with it 100%. It's long overdue we move down to where we can compete.

I know you all disagree. I have facts on my side. You have history and hope. So, keep thumping your chests about how good the football program was in the 60s, 70s and 80s, and I will keep pointing out how it's been one of the worst football programs in Division I/FBS since the late 90s. Keep enjoying those three and four win seasons with the occasional New Mexico Bowl thrown in there. Talk about a bowl to get excited about. Keep enjoying getting worked over by Eastern Michigan. But hey, we're FBS, right? Yahoo!!!!

You say I don't care about the program, but look in the mirror. It's you who doesn't care. You don't care how bad the team is, or for how long. You can't see the forest for the trees. You don't care about Wyoming football at all, you care about the FBS designation. Twenty years from now, when three more coaches have been hired and fired and the next guy is "going to turn it around," you'll all still be here, parroting the same things over and over. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Pick your cliche. This program cannot, and will not win at the FBS level on consistent basis ever again. Call it hating if you must. I call it 20 years of reality.

You must be frustrated that moving to France in 1938 isn't an option for you...

I'm convinced that you're projecting your own surrender monkey life experience onto UW Football. Thank God the program's sooooo much bigger than you or your way of thinking. Somewhere in there, I believe, is an agenda to make yourself feel better about settling for whatever instead of getting what you really want (because, darn it, it's just too hard and you're just not good enough) by seeing UW Football do the same. You DON'T have facts on your side. FACT is, it's not an option. UW can either play FBS Football or not play football.

There are two types of people who get lost in the woods. Those who realize they are the ones who will determine whether or not they get out alive, and those who just sit down and, basically, just die of shame.

Which are you?

So you're OK with an uncompetitive football team as long as it's FBS? You wouldn't rather have NDSU's program? You never seem to answer my questions, you just lecture me.

Me, I'm all for being competitive in FBS Football. Because we have no real choice.

So, again, which are you?

Apparently we do have a choice. We haven't been competitive at FBS football for nearly 20 years. You probably believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as well. What you call surrender I call common sense. Let me ask you, realistically, how many years of the status quo are you willing to take before enough is enough? Or are you truly OK with never having a winning program?

 

[Yabadabadoo]

We're turning into Washington Husky fans. They have a running joke..."it's okay, nothing's wrong, 20XX will be special".

Fuck...I remember a few years ago we thought by 2015 DC would have the program at a point where it would be a top contender annually. I'm not advocating for FCS like SD is, but he's right...he has facts (about recent suckage) and everyone else has pom poms.

...but it's okay, 2018 will be special. Sorry, JMO....but "you're wrong because we're gonna be great in a few years!" isn't a solid argument.

It has nothing to do with being Washington Huskies fans...it has to do with the reality of building a program brick by brick and day by day. History?

I'll take Craig Bohl's recent history now imparted to our program and feel confident in it, patiently watching as the grass grows a little at a time.

The last few weeks it has been nice to see a lot of fans here coming to grips with the reality that building a program that has enduring success takes time and effort.

Let me be more blunt: ANYONE WHO IS PAYING ATTENTION TO WINS AND LOSSES AT THIS STAGE OF THE DEVELOPMENTAL PROCESS IS A MORON WHO HAS NOT AN OUNCE OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW TO BUILD ANYTHING - MUCH LESS A CFB PROGRAM.

Crawl.

Walk.

Run.

You set out to do something.

You took over a destitute and on its back football program the moment you assumed the role.

You chart your course.

You stay with it.

You don't abandon the plan when things go slow or the seas are choppy, and it appears to an outsider that progress is not being made. Anyone at the helm who deviates so early into a long term plan I don't want leading my program. I want my leader to have confidence in his long range forecast. You don't allow outside influences like nutty and reactionary people on this board to alter your course - you don't let newspaper stories budge you off your well thought out plan. You stay with it - you trust the process.

How many times prior to this season did I tell people that if you were going to judge this season strictly on wins and losses you might as well not even watch any of the games? If any of you think this season will be defined by the final cosmetic record you're as moronic as the dope who wrote the letter to the Boomerang.

WE ARE NOT A GOOD FOOTBALL TEAM YET if being good is defined by you as winning more than losing. Get this through your thick heads and maybe allowing yourself to understand the process of building a football team - or anything else - will become easier for you.

As to the past it is exactly that - and it is not an indicator that things will always remain on the negative side no matter what factual information over a 20 year period indicates. You think Bohl gives a rats ass about anything that occurred before he walked into the room?

I'd love to know how some off you lead your own lives and if your fatalist attitude when it comes to our football program along with your stunningly stupid near term expectations - if this all translates to the way you go about your own personal lives when you are confronted with a host of issues. When you get hit do you hit back? When you get knocked down do you not get back up? When someone doubts you and says you can't do that -- do you simply shrug your shoulders and concede defeat?

I talk about 'building' quite often, and as a fan of the Rockies, I recently found a story online from the Denver Post concerning the Pittsburgh Pirates organization that I believe might clue some people in on how a process of building a perennial loser into a consistent winner works. The organization is the Pittsburgh Pirates. For comparison sake's if we're talking about a 20 year run of losing, instability, changing leadership positions, and a downtrodden fan base with the appearance of no light and the end of the tunnel - I suggest you read through this piece:

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_28845165/pirates-sprout-from-seeds-success" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Apparently 'insanity' didn't work in Pittsburgh, and with their most recent personnel running baseball Op's they defied the history of the previous 20 years of futility. It's a great example of being realistic, trusting the process, ignoring the naysayers, being patient, and watching with pride as the bedrock built upon in year one then fosters continuing growth and consistency in the ensuing years.

Last time: Wins and losses all you care about at this juncture? Then I suggest you check back in 20017-18, because those are the years the program will rightfully be judged on it's cosmetic appearance in those two columns.

Until then, bitch away, with your insane and non-realistic spewing...you have no idea how ignorant you look.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Ok, you drop to FCS - three fourths of you team will bolt, the coaching staff will bolt, nine tenths of the fans will bolt, and the money is all gone. What are you going to do now?

OK someone answer me a question then. I truly want to know. If you're one of the people who say you would stop following the team if it dropped a level, tell me why that is the case. Why would you incredibly passionate fans suddenly stop caring? What is it about the FBS designation you hold so dear? Why could you turn your fandom off overnight? Is seeing a Nebraska or Texas come to the War once in a while all that captivates your interest? What about being 3-9 year after year in FBS is so much better than being 10-2 in FCS? It's still football. It's still on Saturday. It's still tailgating. It's all those things, only we don't know we are going to get trucked prior to kickoff. So someone please tell me what the big deal is?