This makes me sick...

[MrTitleist]

No relation. Just wanna get that straight.

Lost in all this bickering.. what?? lol

 

[Wyovanian]

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

The problem with that argument is that three of those teams are not in the MWC of today, or in the MWC of the next 20 years.

Looking at the teams that ARE in the Mountain West:

vs. New Mexico: Won 4 of last 6
vs. Air Force: Won 3 of last 4
vs. Colorado State: Won 4 of last 6
vs. San Diego State: Won 3 of last 5
vs. UNLV: Won 9 of last 11
vs. Utah State: Won 4 of last 7
vs. Nevada: Won 2 of last 4
vs. Hawaii: Won 4 of last 6
vs. San Jose State: Won 6 of last 7

The point of including those four programs was that, in the 80's and 90's, Wyoming routinely competed with BYU and Utah (and analogous, later incarnations like TCU and Boise State). The point is that the college football landscape has shifted dramatically since the 1990's, and Wyoming isn't in the same universe of any of those four schools anymore.

Picking Baylor (or Kansas State) as comparable situations overlooks the notion that those schools already were part of a major conference. Regardless of their doormat status, they still played the likes of Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. And there is an indubitable draw to playing in a relevant conference, even if it's merely in an attempt to compete with Goliath. That's the difference. The core of the Mountain West today is defined by irrelevance. Take away Boise State and it joins the Sun Belt as the two most irrelevant conferences in major college football.

Back to the Baylor/K-State/Iowa State arguments, these schools still tout 50,000 seat stadiums. Baylor's meteoric rise has been wholly reflected by the college football arms race. Its new stadium cost nearly $270 million. Its facilities are out of this world. But you know what the real definer is? Baylor is located in a state of 27 million people. There is no Division I/FBS program that faces the inherent, unchangeable population demographic challenges that Wyoming has to face. There is, inherently, a very small talent pool of local kids to play here. Recruiting is proving to be an even more-and-more difficult challenge in an Instagram, instant-gratification culture that we live in today. Here's the deal. We, as Wyomingites, we love this place. We see the virtues of Wyoming. It's a fantastic state. It's one of the best places in the world, as far as I'm concerned, to live. But very few people see things our way, and that's why we have 550,000 people who live here. And that's why it's difficult to place Wyoming in the same "turnaround" conversation of a Baylor, K-State, or even Boise State.

Now, on the subject of Wyoming's recent successes against the MWC's other members: once again, this is a program that has won a total of 66 games since the year 2000 (4.4 per year). If you subtract the FCS wins, that's only 3.7 per year. If you go with wins over FBS teams with winning records, you're getting .67 wins over a winning team per season...or 2 wins every 3 years.

So, as we break down those programs, UNLV, New Mexico, and San Jose State have been three of the absolute worst programs in college football over the last decade, so there's no cause for celebration there. Hawaii is in a dismal state (and most of those wins you cited are from the WAC years). Nevada is also on the down, currently. But you're dismissing the fact that their 2010 season was more successful than anything Wyoming has had since the 80's, maybe even the 60's. Same goes for Hawaii under June Jones: they've hit double-digit wins four times since 2000. Utah State, admittedly, is a good example for which I might concede my points to your argument. Utah State might represent a "best-case" scenario for what Wyoming can hope to become under Bohl. If we can get into that 8-9 win mold, a la the Aggies, you're...well, you're where Utah State is. Air Force is routinely one of the nation's two most overachieving programs, and the Falcons have been to 9 bowls in the span that we've been to 3. And, finally, our favorite assholes to the south, CSU. The Rams, certainly, have been in the can for a long time and have underachieved ENORMOUSLY given that Fort Collins is routinely cited as one of America's most desirable places to live. Last season, they came back and won 10 games...and promptly got the shit kicked out of them by 35 points at the hands of a 9-4 Utah team that barely even was ranked in the top 25.

The ultimate point here is that the future incarnation of the Mountain West (one that realistically will be sans Boise State once the Broncos figure out the logistics of jumping to a major) is an amalgamation of football programs that are drifting farther and farther from relevance. The cost of tickets to go to Wyoming games is escalating every single year. You can almost get to a Denver Broncos game, if you're crafty, for only a slightly pricier endeavor than UW is costing you. And what's the ROI for a viewer?

Boise isn't going anywhere. They're the football equivalent of UNLV under Coach Tarkanian.

Believe it or not, kid, the sky is not falling. The record bears that out...

 

[Wyovanian]

No relation. Just wanna get that straight.

Lost in all this bickering.. what?? lol

FWIW Matthew "Peck" is in all likelihood someone named Matthew Brammer. Another dude, this one out of Boise...

 

[BringBackStutzriem]

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

The problem with that argument is that three of those teams are not in the MWC of today, or in the MWC of the next 20 years.

Looking at the teams that ARE in the Mountain West:

vs. New Mexico: Won 4 of last 6
vs. Air Force: Won 3 of last 4
vs. Colorado State: Won 4 of last 6
vs. San Diego State: Won 3 of last 5
vs. UNLV: Won 9 of last 11
vs. Utah State: Won 4 of last 7
vs. Nevada: Won 2 of last 4
vs. Hawaii: Won 4 of last 6
vs. San Jose State: Won 6 of last 7

The point of including those four programs was that, in the 80's and 90's, Wyoming routinely competed with BYU and Utah (and analogous, later incarnations like TCU and Boise State). The point is that the college football landscape has shifted dramatically since the 1990's, and Wyoming isn't in the same universe of any of those four schools anymore.

Picking Baylor (or Kansas State) as comparable situations overlooks the notion that those schools already were part of a major conference. Regardless of their doormat status, they still played the likes of Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. And there is an indubitable draw to playing in a relevant conference, even if it's merely in an attempt to compete with Goliath. That's the difference. The core of the Mountain West today is defined by irrelevance. Take away Boise State and it joins the Sun Belt as the two most irrelevant conferences in major college football.

Back to the Baylor/K-State/Iowa State arguments, these schools still tout 50,000 seat stadiums. Baylor's meteoric rise has been wholly reflected by the college football arms race. Its new stadium cost nearly $270 million. Its facilities are out of this world. But you know what the real definer is? Baylor is located in a state of 27 million people. There is no Division I/FBS program that faces the inherent, unchangeable population demographic challenges that Wyoming has to face. There is, inherently, a very small talent pool of local kids to play here. Recruiting is proving to be an even more-and-more difficult challenge in an Instagram, instant-gratification culture that we live in today. Here's the deal. We, as Wyomingites, we love this place. We see the virtues of Wyoming. It's a fantastic state. It's one of the best places in the world, as far as I'm concerned, to live. But very few people see things our way, and that's why we have 550,000 people who live here. And that's why it's difficult to place Wyoming in the same "turnaround" conversation of a Baylor, K-State, or even Boise State.

Now, on the subject of Wyoming's recent successes against the MWC's other members: once again, this is a program that has won a total of 66 games since the year 2000 (4.4 per year). If you subtract the FCS wins, that's only 3.7 per year. If you go with wins over FBS teams with winning records, you're getting .67 wins over a winning team per season...or 2 wins every 3 years.

So, as we break down those programs, UNLV, New Mexico, and San Jose State have been three of the absolute worst programs in college football over the last decade, so there's no cause for celebration there. Hawaii is in a dismal state (and most of those wins you cited are from the WAC years). Nevada is also on the down, currently. But you're dismissing the fact that their 2010 season was more successful than anything Wyoming has had since the 80's, maybe even the 60's. Same goes for Hawaii under June Jones: they've hit double-digit wins four times since 2000. Utah State, admittedly, is a good example for which I might concede my points to your argument. Utah State might represent a "best-case" scenario for what Wyoming can hope to become under Bohl. If we can get into that 8-9 win mold, a la the Aggies, you're...well, you're where Utah State is. Air Force is routinely one of the nation's two most overachieving programs, and the Falcons have been to 9 bowls in the span that we've been to 3. And, finally, our favorite assholes to the south, CSU. The Rams, certainly, have been in the can for a long time and have underachieved ENORMOUSLY given that Fort Collins is routinely cited as one of America's most desirable places to live. Last season, they came back and won 10 games...and promptly got the shit kicked out of them by 35 points at the hands of a 9-4 Utah team that barely even was ranked in the top 25.

The ultimate point here is that the future incarnation of the Mountain West (one that realistically will be sans Boise State once the Broncos figure out the logistics of jumping to a major) is an amalgamation of football programs that are drifting farther and farther from relevance. The cost of tickets to go to Wyoming games is escalating every single year. You can almost get to a Denver Broncos game, if you're crafty, for only a slightly pricier endeavor than UW is costing you. And what's the ROI for a viewer?

Boise isn't going anywhere. They're the football equivalent of UNLV under Coach Tarkanian.

Believe it or not, kid, the sky is not falling. The record bears that out...

I added this a few minutes after you quoted, so I wanted to give you at least some credit for the counter arguments. I'll repost it.

Here's what I'll concede: Nevada's magical 2010 season with Kaepernick, Hawaii's 2007 campaign with Colt Brennan, etc...these are not out of the complete realm of imagination for Wyoming to achieve. Both of those seasons, obviously, were predicated on playing in a (mostly) weak WAC conference with only one other power to contend with. So I'm not 100% discounting the fact that Wyoming could put together a 10-2 or 11-1 campaign against a bunch of other mostly weak schools. I just don't think there's much evidence supporting that it's likely to happen anytime soon.

My arguments aren't infallible and you guys have raised some nice counterpoints. I want Wyoming to be great, too. I'm just viewing it realistically and having trouble seeing much room for hope. But maybe you can continue to talk me into it. I'm just really down on the past 5 seasons, the general direction we've seen the program tailspin the last 15, and the fact that the inherent challenges Wyoming faces might be insurmountable moving forward.

 

[Wyovanian]

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

The problem with that argument is that three of those teams are not in the MWC of today, or in the MWC of the next 20 years.

Looking at the teams that ARE in the Mountain West:

vs. New Mexico: Won 4 of last 6
vs. Air Force: Won 3 of last 4
vs. Colorado State: Won 4 of last 6
vs. San Diego State: Won 3 of last 5
vs. UNLV: Won 9 of last 11
vs. Utah State: Won 4 of last 7
vs. Nevada: Won 2 of last 4
vs. Hawaii: Won 4 of last 6
vs. San Jose State: Won 6 of last 7

The point of including those four programs was that, in the 80's and 90's, Wyoming routinely competed with BYU and Utah (and analogous, later incarnations like TCU and Boise State). The point is that the college football landscape has shifted dramatically since the 1990's, and Wyoming isn't in the same universe of any of those four schools anymore.

Picking Baylor (or Kansas State) as comparable situations overlooks the notion that those schools already were part of a major conference. Regardless of their doormat status, they still played the likes of Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. And there is an indubitable draw to playing in a relevant conference, even if it's merely in an attempt to compete with Goliath. That's the difference. The core of the Mountain West today is defined by irrelevance. Take away Boise State and it joins the Sun Belt as the two most irrelevant conferences in major college football.

Back to the Baylor/K-State/Iowa State arguments, these schools still tout 50,000 seat stadiums. Baylor's meteoric rise has been wholly reflected by the college football arms race. Its new stadium cost nearly $270 million. Its facilities are out of this world. But you know what the real definer is? Baylor is located in a state of 27 million people. There is no Division I/FBS program that faces the inherent, unchangeable population demographic challenges that Wyoming has to face. There is, inherently, a very small talent pool of local kids to play here. Recruiting is proving to be an even more-and-more difficult challenge in an Instagram, instant-gratification culture that we live in today. Here's the deal. We, as Wyomingites, we love this place. We see the virtues of Wyoming. It's a fantastic state. It's one of the best places in the world, as far as I'm concerned, to live. But very few people see things our way, and that's why we have 550,000 people who live here. And that's why it's difficult to place Wyoming in the same "turnaround" conversation of a Baylor, K-State, or even Boise State.

Now, on the subject of Wyoming's recent successes against the MWC's other members: once again, this is a program that has won a total of 66 games since the year 2000 (4.4 per year). If you subtract the FCS wins, that's only 3.7 per year. If you go with wins over FBS teams with winning records, you're getting .67 wins over a winning team per season...or 2 wins every 3 years.

So, as we break down those programs, UNLV, New Mexico, and San Jose State have been three of the absolute worst programs in college football over the last decade, so there's no cause for celebration there. Hawaii is in a dismal state (and most of those wins you cited are from the WAC years). Nevada is also on the down, currently. But you're dismissing the fact that their 2010 season was more successful than anything Wyoming has had since the 80's, maybe even the 60's. Same goes for Hawaii under June Jones: they've hit double-digit wins four times since 2000. Utah State, admittedly, is a good example for which I might concede my points to your argument. Utah State might represent a "best-case" scenario for what Wyoming can hope to become under Bohl. If we can get into that 8-9 win mold, a la the Aggies, you're...well, you're where Utah State is. Air Force is routinely one of the nation's two most overachieving programs, and the Falcons have been to 9 bowls in the span that we've been to 3. And, finally, our favorite assholes to the south, CSU. The Rams, certainly, have been in the can for a long time and have underachieved ENORMOUSLY given that Fort Collins is routinely cited as one of America's most desirable places to live. Last season, they came back and won 10 games...and promptly got the shit kicked out of them by 35 points at the hands of a 9-4 Utah team that barely even was ranked in the top 25.

The ultimate point here is that the future incarnation of the Mountain West (one that realistically will be sans Boise State once the Broncos figure out the logistics of jumping to a major) is an amalgamation of football programs that are drifting farther and farther from relevance. The cost of tickets to go to Wyoming games is escalating every single year. You can almost get to a Denver Broncos game, if you're crafty, for only a slightly pricier endeavor than UW is costing you. And what's the ROI for a viewer?

Boise isn't going anywhere. They're the football equivalent of UNLV under Coach Tarkanian.

Believe it or not, kid, the sky is not falling. The record bears that out...

I added this a few minutes after you quoted, so I wanted to give you at least some credit for the counter arguments. I'll repost it.

Here's what I'll concede: Nevada's magical 2010 season with Kaepernick, Hawaii's 2007 campaign with Colt Brennan, etc...these are not out of the complete realm of imagination for Wyoming to achieve. Both of those seasons, obviously, were predicated on playing in a (mostly) weak WAC conference with only one other power to contend with. So I'm not 100% discounting the fact that Wyoming could put together a 10-2 or 11-1 campaign against a bunch of other mostly weak schools. I just don't think there's much evidence supporting that it's likely to happen anytime soon.

My arguments aren't infallible and you guys have raised some nice counterpoints. I want Wyoming to be great, too. I'm just viewing it realistically and having trouble seeing much room for hope. But maybe you can continue to talk me into it. I'm just really down on the past 5 seasons, the general direction we've seen the program tailspin the last 15, and the fact that the inherent challenges Wyoming faces might be insurmountable moving forward.

It's easy- either Wyoming plays FBS football or it doesn't play football.

It's like surviving an adverse situation- either you get your wits about you, marshal your resources and do everything to get the odds of survival in your favor (which means, if you're still alive, you still have chances), or you can just sit down and guarantee your outcome. Lament and emotion have to take a back seat to getting things done at some point...

 

[poke em]

This whiny ass talk about moving down is embarassing

 

[Wyovanian]

This whiny ass talk about moving down is embarassing

Bingo. In my experience the only people who never feel embarrassed are people who've embarrassed themselves to the point they no longer recognize it.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Everyone comes in and wrangles the kid who submitted the letter to the editor - and then comes after SDPoke, despite the fact that the dude is clearly a Wyoming fan who is tired of seeing us get the shit kicked out of us every season - but no one seems to answer to this:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

Actually, what this thread made quite clear is the fact that SDFan is not really much of a 'Poke fan.

It also makes clear we have a few who aspire to under-achieve around here. Probably getting frustrated because the high school girls aren't digging them any more either...

Yah you don't get to pick and choose who is a Wyoming and who isnt. Thanks though.

Dude, and I do mean "Dude"- you can call yourself peanut butter and marry a jar of jelly, but no one's going to spread you on bread and eat you...

Is dude an insult? I don't get the quotes. Gonna have to explain it to me.

More evidence you are not a Cowboy...

Keep it coming...

Nope I'm not a cowboy. Far from it. Not everybody that grew up in Wyoming fits your Louis L'amour stereotype. I don't ride horses, don't chew tobacco and I wear shorts on 95 degree days, not Wranglers and ascots. Damn it all!

Well, funny thing is, neither do I ride horses or chew tobacco. But I, along with most Wyoming natives, sure as hell knows what a dude is...

Let me ask you something- ever see The Big Lebowski?

Oh yes. Great movie. OK so you're saying I'm like Lebowski. I'm with you now. Just wanted to clear that up.

No, just points out that even when you don't understand something, you don't bother to find out what it meant.

There's a line at the beginning of the film- "Now, "Dude"- that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from."

Obviously, it went right past you, but you lacked sufficient curiosity to educate yourself enough to understand a line that established the cultural gulf between the narrator and the protagonist.

Just supports my theory that most of your belief system is akin to that of a fifteen year-old girl's. So much of what you "know" just isn't so and what you don't understand isn't important...

Lol you're something else. Is it lonely up on the pedestal? At the end of all this you're the one that's OK with losing. I imagine that mirrors your life as well. We all see that's how your football arguments end up.

 

[MrTitleist]

No relation. Just wanna get that straight.

Lost in all this bickering.. what?? lol

FWIW Matthew "Peck" is in all likelihood someone named Matthew Brammer. Another dude, this one out of Boise...

The Marilyn Manson looking guy? Is he "popular" amongst UW circles?

 

[Wyovanian]

Everyone comes in and wrangles the kid who submitted the letter to the editor - and then comes after SDPoke, despite the fact that the dude is clearly a Wyoming fan who is tired of seeing us get the shit kicked out of us every season - but no one seems to answer to this:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

Actually, what this thread made quite clear is the fact that SDFan is not really much of a 'Poke fan.

It also makes clear we have a few who aspire to under-achieve around here. Probably getting frustrated because the high school girls aren't digging them any more either...

Yah you don't get to pick and choose who is a Wyoming and who isnt. Thanks though.

Dude, and I do mean "Dude"- you can call yourself peanut butter and marry a jar of jelly, but no one's going to spread you on bread and eat you...

Is dude an insult? I don't get the quotes. Gonna have to explain it to me.

More evidence you are not a Cowboy...

Keep it coming...

Nope I'm not a cowboy. Far from it. Not everybody that grew up in Wyoming fits your Louis L'amour stereotype. I don't ride horses, don't chew tobacco and I wear shorts on 95 degree days, not Wranglers and ascots. Damn it all!

Well, funny thing is, neither do I ride horses or chew tobacco. But I, along with most Wyoming natives, sure as hell knows what a dude is...

Let me ask you something- ever see The Big Lebowski?

Oh yes. Great movie. OK so you're saying I'm like Lebowski. I'm with you now. Just wanted to clear that up.

No, just points out that even when you don't understand something, you don't bother to find out what it meant.

There's a line at the beginning of the film- "Now, "Dude"- that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from."

Obviously, it went right past you, but you lacked sufficient curiosity to educate yourself enough to understand a line that established the cultural gulf between the narrator and the protagonist.

Just supports my theory that most of your belief system is akin to that of a fifteen year-old girl's. So much of what you "know" just isn't so and what you don't understand isn't important...

Lol you're something else. Is it lonely up on the pedestal? At the end of all this you're the one that's OK with losing. I imagine that mirrors your life as well. We all see that's how your football arguments end up.

Losing seasons will come and go. Once you've lowered yourself among your peers, you've argued for your limitations and they won't tell you you're wrong.

Not that you'd notice. It's hard to realize you're on an island when you don't understand that you're walking in circles or notice that several points of coastline seem oddly familiar...

And yes, I am something else. You have no idea what I've had to overcome...

 

[Wyovanian]

No relation. Just wanna get that straight.

Lost in all this bickering.. what?? lol

FWIW Matthew "Peck" is in all likelihood someone named Matthew Brammer. Another dude, this one out of Boise...

The Marilyn Manson looking guy? Is he "popular" amongst UW circles?

Perhaps. If you're talking about UW circles in Madison or Seattle.

Or South Dakota, apparently...

 

[SDPokeFan]

Everyone comes in and wrangles the kid who submitted the letter to the editor - and then comes after SDPoke, despite the fact that the dude is clearly a Wyoming fan who is tired of seeing us get the shit kicked out of us every season - but no one seems to answer to this:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

Actually, what this thread made quite clear is the fact that SDFan is not really much of a 'Poke fan.

It also makes clear we have a few who aspire to under-achieve around here. Probably getting frustrated because the high school girls aren't digging them any more either...

Yah you don't get to pick and choose who is a Wyoming and who isnt. Thanks though.

Dude, and I do mean "Dude"- you can call yourself peanut butter and marry a jar of jelly, but no one's going to spread you on bread and eat you...

Is dude an insult? I don't get the quotes. Gonna have to explain it to me.

More evidence you are not a Cowboy...

Keep it coming...

Nope I'm not a cowboy. Far from it. Not everybody that grew up in Wyoming fits your Louis L'amour stereotype. I don't ride horses, don't chew tobacco and I wear shorts on 95 degree days, not Wranglers and ascots. Damn it all!

Well, funny thing is, neither do I ride horses or chew tobacco. But I, along with most Wyoming natives, sure as hell knows what a dude is...

Let me ask you something- ever see The Big Lebowski?

Oh yes. Great movie. OK so you're saying I'm like Lebowski. I'm with you now. Just wanted to clear that up.

No, just points out that even when you don't understand something, you don't bother to find out what it meant.

There's a line at the beginning of the film- "Now, "Dude"- that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from."

Obviously, it went right past you, but you lacked sufficient curiosity to educate yourself enough to understand a line that established the cultural gulf between the narrator and the protagonist.

Just supports my theory that most of your belief system is akin to that of a fifteen year-old girl's. So much of what you "know" just isn't so and what you don't understand isn't important...

Lol you're something else. Is it lonely up on the pedestal? At the end of all this you're the one that's OK with losing. I imagine that mirrors your life as well. We all see that's how your football arguments end up.

Losing seasons will come and go. Once you've lowered yourself among your peers, you've argued for your limitations and they won't tell you you're wrong.

Not that you'd notice. It's hard to realize you're on an island when you don't understand that you're walking in circles or notice that several points of coastline seem oddly familiar...

You're the one that is OK with losing, so don't tell me about lowering myself. I expect greatness. You expect trying. Do or do not. There is no try.

 

[Wyovanian]

Everyone comes in and wrangles the kid who submitted the letter to the editor - and then comes after SDPoke, despite the fact that the dude is clearly a Wyoming fan who is tired of seeing us get the shit kicked out of us every season - but no one seems to answer to this:

We've beaten a grand total of 10 non-FCS/I-AA teams with winning records since the year 2000 (and 14 since 1999, we won four of those that season). We have 61 total wins vs. non-FCS/I-AA teams since 1999. Subtract the '99 season, and you've got 55 wins total wins vs. D1/FBS schools in 15 seasons, plus the first three games of this year.

If you pit us against the four best programs that have, at one point, competed in the MWC (since 1999)...this is what you get:

vs. Utah: 2-10 record, outscored 413-173 (or, on average, 34.5 ppg to 14.4 ppg)
vs. BYU: 2-10 record, outscored 392-187 (or, on average, 32.7 ppg to 15.9 ppg)
vs. TCU: 1-6 record, outscored 250-78 (or, on average, 35.7 ppg to 11.1 ppg)
vs. Boise State: 0-9 record, outscored 352-109 (or, on average, 39.1 to 12.1 ppg)

Cumulatively, that is - against the top MWC competition - a total record of 5-35 (and two of those came in '99) with an outscored total of 1,407-547.

That, folks, is the gap that Wyoming is trying to close. And at the moment (being ranked #128 of 128 in FBS football), it's only widening.

Actually, what this thread made quite clear is the fact that SDFan is not really much of a 'Poke fan.

It also makes clear we have a few who aspire to under-achieve around here. Probably getting frustrated because the high school girls aren't digging them any more either...

Yah you don't get to pick and choose who is a Wyoming and who isnt. Thanks though.

Dude, and I do mean "Dude"- you can call yourself peanut butter and marry a jar of jelly, but no one's going to spread you on bread and eat you...

Is dude an insult? I don't get the quotes. Gonna have to explain it to me.

More evidence you are not a Cowboy...

Keep it coming...

Nope I'm not a cowboy. Far from it. Not everybody that grew up in Wyoming fits your Louis L'amour stereotype. I don't ride horses, don't chew tobacco and I wear shorts on 95 degree days, not Wranglers and ascots. Damn it all!

Well, funny thing is, neither do I ride horses or chew tobacco. But I, along with most Wyoming natives, sure as hell knows what a dude is...

Let me ask you something- ever see The Big Lebowski?

Oh yes. Great movie. OK so you're saying I'm like Lebowski. I'm with you now. Just wanted to clear that up.

No, just points out that even when you don't understand something, you don't bother to find out what it meant.

There's a line at the beginning of the film- "Now, "Dude"- that's a name no one would self-apply where I come from."

Obviously, it went right past you, but you lacked sufficient curiosity to educate yourself enough to understand a line that established the cultural gulf between the narrator and the protagonist.

Just supports my theory that most of your belief system is akin to that of a fifteen year-old girl's. So much of what you "know" just isn't so and what you don't understand isn't important...

Lol you're something else. Is it lonely up on the pedestal? At the end of all this you're the one that's OK with losing. I imagine that mirrors your life as well. We all see that's how your football arguments end up.

Losing seasons will come and go. Once you've lowered yourself among your peers, you've argued for your limitations and they won't tell you you're wrong.

Not that you'd notice. It's hard to realize you're on an island when you don't understand that you're walking in circles or notice that several points of coastline seem oddly familiar...

You're the one that is OK with losing, so don't tell me about lowering myself. I expect greatness. You expect trying. Do or do not. There is no try.

No, you expect to look better by defining greatness down.

I accept the difficulty in greatness and the challenge that goes with it.

I'd rather be dead on K2 than have you try to buy me a beer on Mt. Cook.

 

[McPeachy]

No relation. Just wanna get that straight.

Please explain. Oh, wait. Matthew Peck (Brammand) from Laramie, is not the same Matthew Peck from Riverton?

Welcome to the board - either way! :thumb:

 

[Spiderwebb06]

Ok so i don't post often at all but I love reading the boards and this post is going to throw out a lot of ideas so...

For starters I love my Wyoming Cowboys never missed a game while there and watch or listen to all the games now.
I will always root for them no matter the results and wear my brown and gold proudly.

This discussion has been going on a long time within my family. My Dad has been the one saying drop to FCS and I've always said no, with my main reason being money.

This has got me thinking though:

The one thing that I haven't seen brought up in reading the posts on both boards (I could be wrong) is the student population and sports offered. If you compare student population, location, sports offered etc... Wyoming for now is above a lot of the FCS teams in attendance for football but only by about 2,500 people and thats in beautiful Laramie weather. But, the games I have seen on TV and been to since graduation the student section Sucks!!! by the end of the 1st quarter they are already leaving I don't get it. Last game against EMU half the student section wasn't even standing. Participation, school spirit is disappointing to say the least.

If you look at student population Wyoming is near the bottom only above the Fly Boys, South Dakota State, University of Denver and University of Norther Colorado. Look below

Question is would we be competitive at the FCS level? I do believe we would and travel expenses would possibly go down. (i don't really support this idea because of basketball and other sports that are highly competitive in the Mountain West)

That being said:

I do like the idea of dropping football all together and we could stay in the Mountain West. Put more money into winning programs such as soccer. swimming, wresting, volley ball, and Basketball, add hockey for the winter and a sport that is growing all along the front range Lacrosse (Denver was the nation champs last year), CU and CSU have perennial powerhouse programs at the club level and are looking at going D1 in the near future. Another sport that Wyoming has also been good at is Rugby.

Again these are all just ideas. I love watching Wyoming on the national stage competing, and I don't really know if there is a good or bad decision or argument. But we can all agree as Wyoming fans that we love the brown and gold, and we will always go to, tune in or listen to our beloved Cowboys.

Lastly since we can't change anything ourselves lets give Bohl some time to see what he can do.

University of Montana- 12,922
Montana State University- 15,421
NDSU- 14,516
University of North Dakota- 13,816
Eastern Michigan- 23,000
South Dakota State university- 12,557
University of Northern Colorado- 9,394
Idaho State University-13,326
Colorado State- 25,600
Air Force- 4,619
University of Denver- 11,600

Liberty University (FCS)- 14,500

Wyoming is at 12,627

All numbers are 2014 or 2015.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

I do like the idea of dropping football all together and we could stay in the Mountain West..

What??? Read the MWC bylaws regarding the requirement of a football team.

 

[McPeachy]

I do like the idea of dropping football all together and we could stay in the Mountain West..

What??? Read the MWC bylaws regarding the requirement of a football team.

You beat me to it. A requirement of being a MWC conference member, is having football.

Of course there are also other holes in Spiderwebb06's post - like the enrollment examples.

 

[fromolwyoming]

We'd be kicked out of the conference without football. Plus football pays not only for themselves, but a good portion of the other sports.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

I have no more words for this asinine thread that I wish the moderators would simply blow up and soon.

Suggestions by some of these people to 'drop' football...like I said, I'm done, no words.

 

[SnowyRange]

Plus football pays not only for themselves, but a good portion of the other sports.

Where did you get that idea?

Maybe half of FBS schools turn any profit on football. And it's hard to believe we're one of them.