The Book is out on Bohl

[lakeside]

I agree with both points, I do think however that there is a trend to go in the direction that Bohl wants to go which is a more smash mouth in your face style of play. I see it more and more both in the pros and across the collegiate ranks, so I fear that there will be more of a premium for that type of recruit going forward.
Texas shows just how difficult it is currently to find and develop o lineman in the collegiate ranks, with all of their resources they find themselves in a very similar situation Wyoming is in currently. I hope that this staff CAN get it done, firing coaches every few years isn't sustainable, and neither is allowing the fan base to decline while building the program AGAIN. I don't pretend to have the answers to any of these problems, which is why I type on a computer instead of trying to correct the problems for pay. As a fan it is hard to watch my beloved pokes struggle the way they have for such a long time. I don't try to fool myself that coaching at Wyoming isn't one of the hardest jobs in the nation. I feel for those with enough guts to try in front of the public eye. In support of these folks I will be at every athletic event I can possibly attend, and continue to donate where I can.
I still stand by my original position that coach Bohl will have to be creative and adapt to whatever situation he finds himself in both now and in the future. I also believe that recruiting is difficult to put it mildly, and consistently getting players is difficult to run a very rigidly specific scheme. Again I wish this staff nothing but the best, and I will continue to support them with my pocketbook.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Back to wanting the spread?

Maybe.

I do not think Bohl's system will work in Laramie, ever.

We need big guys on the lines. We are always undersized on the line. ALWAYS. The spread made up for some of that.

How are we going to win a power, smashmouth game being smaller than our opponents 9 or 10 times a season?



Saban is successful with the same style offense because he has huge lines.

4 wins last season, 2 if he is lucky this season, and likely the same next season before he gets fired.

Beav, just stfu. Stick to talking about bball, I can at least tolerate your nonsense on that subject.

Hahahaha I'll be here all season. Don't like my shit? Move along then.

 

[BJC]

wooooooooooo




opcorn:

 

[fromolwyoming]

Back to wanting the spread?

Maybe.

I do not think Bohl's system will work in Laramie, ever.

We need big guys on the lines. We are always undersized on the line. ALWAYS. The spread made up for some of that.

How are we going to win a power, smashmouth game being smaller than our opponents 9 or 10 times a season?



Saban is successful with the same style offense because he has huge lines.

4 wins last season, 2 if he is lucky this season, and likely the same next season before he gets fired.

Beav, just stfu. Stick to talking about bball, I can at least tolerate your nonsense on that subject.

Hahahaha I'll be here all season. Don't like my shit? Move along then.

So if you want Bohl fired and don't like watching the team, why are you gonna be here all season? Seems counter-productive to me.

 

[WYCowboy]

The “I told you so” can come today, I am afraid you're dead wrong. You can’t run any offense scheme SUCCESSFULLY anywhere, you can however run any offensive scheme UN SUCCESFULLY anywhere if that is your choice. I wouldn't run a spread, west coast, wing t, option, you name it offensive scheme exclusively at Wyoming. Wyoming requires flexibility like no other place in the country, as a coach you earn your check based on how you can adapt. Not saying that this is easy hell it’s obviously just about impossible, but that is the job you signed up for as a coach. I hope to hell that this staff can get it figured out, going backward isn’t an option if there is any hope to being competitive this half century.

That is your opinion so we can agree to disagree. You can run any scheme anywhere but you have to have the right players the players make the scheme not the location.

Why do you think Wyoming requires so much more flexibility then every other place in the US?

Because we can not get the huge linemen at Wyo. We need brute strength and massive size on the lines to win with this style, and we can't get those guys to Wyoming. Always undersized, and you can not win consistently being small on the line in a pro-style game.

We are 1 game into the second season of Bohl ball. Not even Saban or Meyer could put together an O-line considering what DC left us in that amount of time.

 

[BJC]

Nobody seriously thinks he should be fired today..... Just glad there wasn't a "This is the worst team I've ever been associated with" comment.....although it was close regarding the offensive performance quote.

It is a message board....not like people are placing for sale signs in his yard, etc. I hope nobody is harassing players as this one will hurt them worse than anyone on this board.

I don't assume people were tossing bottles, souvenir cups full of "whatever" like they did to Dimmel (and at players) after Colorado St loss in 99.

People are just upset at this one...this one is bad. I hope we piss pound the next team and get rolling.....

 

[BeaverPoke]

Nobody seriously thinks he should be fired today..... Just glad there wasn't a "This is the worst team I've ever been associated with" comment.....although it was close regarding the offensive performance quote.

It is a message board....not like people are placing for sale signs in his yard, etc. I hope nobody is harassing players as this one will hurt them worse than anyone on this board.

I don't assume people were tossing bottles, souvenir cups full of "whatever" like they did to Dimmel (and at players) after Colorado St loss in 99.

People are just upset at this one...this one is bad. I hope we piss pound the next team and get rolling.....

I think he should be fired.

And I have heard from someone at the game say this is the worst Wyo team he has ever seen.

I would be saying that too except it wasn't even streamed.

 

[BJC]

def worst loss

*I was referring to a Vic quote after a loss his first year

 

[Wyo2dal]

Yes I do believe it's practical that Bohl can get the line he needs to be effective in the MWC. Will we ever be a NY6 hopeful? No never but we could get back to the Vegas Bowl it's not completely out of the question.

The best we hope for is second or third in MWC? Or, do we hope BSU stumbles and there is a down year in the MWC? Typically, the MWC champ will be in NY6 conversation. You are essentially saying we'll never compete for a MWC title.

I often wonder how many other WYO fans think like this. I think that is probably the main rift between us. I want to be a fan of a program with big aspirations and acts like it. An occasional 2nd or 3rd place in the MWC with a few bad seasons (due to whatever) and a few bowl eligible seasons is nothing short of huge disappointment to me.

As for Bohl and the topic, as I've stated numerous times, I'm still on board and ready to see this emu game. My only point is that it is not a totally invalid concern to worry that Bohl will be able to recruit the talent level he will need to be successful here. From what I've seen his style doesn't mask talent discrepancies so he will need to recruit at a much higher level than his "recent" predecessors. If you think that is 100% guaranteed to happen and the only thing limiting us is time, then we'll have to agree to disagree. Mind you, I'm not saying it can't happen just that the possibility that it won't happen is a valid concern.

I would love to see Wyoming in a NY6 Bowl but there is nothing realistic about that happening without 10-15 years of winning seasons with Bowl appearances.

Boise State hasn't had a losing season since 1997 nearly 20 years of winning seasons and it took them from 98-06 to get to the Fiesta Bowl but they have continued to win so they will ALWAYS be the front runner for a NY6 Bowl when it comes to the G5.

 

[lakesbison]

serious question. how many freshman played in the game Saturday?

 

[joshvanklomp]

serious question. how many freshman played in the game Saturday?

Looking at the box score participation, I counted 10 true freshmen and 7 redshirt freshmen.

True: Doddles, Granderson, Hull, Parker, Price, Wingard, Overstreet, Prosser, Wallace, Bailey
Redshirt: Cain, Epps, Jennings, Makransky, Malauulu, Pownell, Renfree

That's out of 48 total players who saw the field.

 

[lakesbison]

35% freshman on the field for the first time defintely is a tough pill to swallow, plus a juco qb, but still, there was like a .001% chance of wyoming losing this game in my opinion with that coaching staff, they shouldve been able to figure it out, thats where im most shocked at with this.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I would love to see Wyoming in a NY6 Bowl but there is nothing realistic about that happening without 10-15 years of winning seasons with Bowl appearances.

Boise State hasn't had a losing season since 1997 nearly 20 years of winning seasons and it took them from 98-06 to get to the Fiesta Bowl but they have continued to win so they will ALWAYS be the front runner for a NY6 Bowl when it comes to the G5.

I still don't understand. Are you saying there is no way we compete for a MWC title for 10-15 years?

The new playoff is completely different than the previous system. We (the G5) now have an auto-bid. You must be the highest ranked G5 member. Most years, the MWC champ will be in discussion for that. If USU would have been legit this year and had the ability to knock off BSU, then they would have been in discussion for the NY6 bid.

If we compete for a MWC championship, we are competing for a NY6 bid in the new system.

 

[JimmyDimes]

35% freshman on the field for the first time defintely is a tough pill to swallow, plus a juco qb, but still, there was like a .001% chance of wyoming losing this game in my opinion with that coaching staff, they shouldve been able to figure it out, thats where im most shocked at with this.

It is not only the number of freshman, we lost a lot of depth through attrition. A couple Oline starter left/got kicked off team during the off season among others.

It is game we shouldn't have lost, but the reasons are there.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Nobody seriously thinks he should be fired today..... Just glad there wasn't a "This is the worst team I've ever been associated with" comment.....although it was close regarding the offensive performance quote.

It is a message board....not like people are placing for sale signs in his yard, etc. I hope nobody is harassing players as this one will hurt them worse than anyone on this board.

I don't assume people were tossing bottles, souvenir cups full of "whatever" like they did to Dimmel (and at players) after Colorado St loss in 99.

People are just upset at this one...this one is bad. I hope we piss pound the next team and get rolling.....

I think he should be fired.

And I have heard from someone at the game say this is the worst Wyo team he has ever seen.

I would be saying that too except it wasn't even streamed.

I think you should have your Fan card revoked... When you come back with common sense then we can give it back to you. Just my "opinion" on this "message board".

 

[kansasCowboy]

35% freshman on the field for the first time defintely is a tough pill to swallow, plus a juco qb, but still, there was like a .001% chance of wyoming losing this game in my opinion with that coaching staff, they shouldve been able to figure it out, thats where im most shocked at with this.

It is not only the number of freshman, we lost a lot of depth through attrition. A couple Oline starter left/got kicked off team during the off season among others.

It is game we shouldn't have lost, but the reasons are there.

That's just Frosh. Add in the Soph and you get the general idea of how young we really are. We are a team of underclassmen.

 

[NowherePoke]

Nobody seriously thinks he should be fired today..... Just glad there wasn't a "This is the worst team I've ever been associated with" comment.....although it was close regarding the offensive performance quote.

It is a message board....not like people are placing for sale signs in his yard, etc. I hope nobody is harassing players as this one will hurt them worse than anyone on this board.

I don't assume people were tossing bottles, souvenir cups full of "whatever" like they did to Dimmel (and at players) after Colorado St loss in 99.

People are just upset at this one...this one is bad. I hope we piss pound the next team and get rolling.....

Sometimes I think the 15+ years of crappy football we have been subjected to is karmic retribution for that display in 99.

 

[Yabadabadoo]

Nobody seriously thinks he should be fired today..... Just glad there wasn't a "This is the worst team I've ever been associated with" comment.....although it was close regarding the offensive performance quote.

It is a message board....not like people are placing for sale signs in his yard, etc. I hope nobody is harassing players as this one will hurt them worse than anyone on this board.

I don't assume people were tossing bottles, souvenir cups full of "whatever" like they did to Dimmel (and at players) after Colorado St loss in 99.

People are just upset at this one...this one is bad. I hope we piss pound the next team and get rolling.....

I think he should be fired.

And I have heard from someone at the game say this is the worst Wyo team he has ever seen.

I would be saying that too except it wasn't even streamed.

Wow. That's all.

 

[NowherePoke]

I have a different take on the recruiting. Part of Bohl's past success (I get at the FCS level), was that he recruited different type players than almost all other teams. Instead of competing against the majority of spread offense colleges across the region, Bohl's strategy is to become a go to school for pro set recruits. If you are a top notch high school TE, fullback, or pro style O lineman, Bohl's program scheme is a great option for college, and also aligns you well in preparation if you happen to get a shot at the pros. So I think Bohl's strategy can be a superior one to trying to out recruit all the other spread schools.

Like others have said, it takes a lot though, to convert to this model. Unfortunately, the transition is clearly a slow and painful one at this point. I do think Bohl has compounded the problem with his handling of DC players. Seems like he, or his coaches, took a new sheriff in town approach, and let the attrition rate balloon too much. Those veteran players really could have helped make for a smoother transition.

On offense, the Oline goes from zone blocking to detailed assignment based plays with pulling. I do think Bohl and Fuchs may have really mishandled the vets from the DC regime. The attrition rate of existing Olinemen has been terrible. That has clearly hurt this year. I believe it was Slow Hand who mentioned the conflicts between Fuchs and vets. That said, Fuchs has coached at least two lineman who made the NFL under his watch.

On defense, Bohl's defense needs the two safeties to be the smartest players on the field. Having two freshman back there is going to be painful with this system. I do think Pownell showed some really good potential out there - I think all will like him during his upper class years. Moving two brand new players to LB, where gap assignments and reaction time are critical, is a problem. Having an undersized NT is a problem. Having the strongest weightlifting DT in the conference getting only one assisted tackle against UND is not acceptable. I think Finley should be on the field. Bottom line - the existing personnel are not good fits for the system, and the new recruits are too young to be counted on consistently. Bohl needs 1-2 more years with his model, but can also handle existing personnel better.

Agree with much of this. I think the overall program building strategy is sound. The issue has been the execution. The current staff has overseen an extreme level of attrition.

 

[Wyokie]

Nobody seriously thinks he should be fired today..... Just glad there wasn't a "This is the worst team I've ever been associated with" comment.....although it was close regarding the offensive performance quote.

It is a message board....not like people are placing for sale signs in his yard, etc. I hope nobody is harassing players as this one will hurt them worse than anyone on this board.

I don't assume people were tossing bottles, souvenir cups full of "whatever" like they did to Dimmel (and at players) after Colorado St loss in 99.

People are just upset at this one...this one is bad. I hope we piss pound the next team and get rolling.....

Sometimes I think the 15+ years of crappy football we have been subjected to is karmic retribution for that display in 99.

Refresh my memory...what happened in 1999 other than us embarrassing BYU on ESPN?