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[joshvanklomp]

Go chug a beer or 3, or take a few Valium. :cya:

I don't drink, sorry.

 

[Subcanis]

Go chug a beer or 3, or take a few Valium. :cya:

I don't drink, sorry.

Could have fooled... most of us.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Not I, I imagine he is much too young to imbibe...not a negative attribute, just an observation.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I'm a Wyoming fan Josh, I have been one my whole life. All of the good people who post on here are Wyoming fans. They have been Wyoming fans their whole life. We voice our opinions because we care. We don't have a problem with the kids playing for Wyoming. We still support them when they stink up the joint. But we also have earned the right to throw a little criticism out there on a message board.

Maybe I just need to adjust my expectations of fan bases.

I've posted on many basketball/football message boards over the years. Message boards where people have been fans their whole lives. Fans who care.

In most cases, I'd say the positive/negative ratio is at least 60/40 positive on those sites here. However, I seriously doubt the ratio here is 35/65 positive. Why is that?

The talk coming into the season was that the program was going to do things they haven't in years. Despite the win total nearing the best record Wyoming has posted in 27 seasons, it's still not good enough for fans. Not enough wins. Not a good enough RPI. There always seems to be something to be negative about.

If they won the MWC Tournament and were awarded a 13 seed, would there be a thread the next day complaining about not being a 12 seed?

I am genuinely curious why the attitudes here are so negative seemingly all the time. For supposedly being fans your whole lives, you sure have an interesting way of showing it.

I' struggle with negativity because I am tired of mediocrity. We jump out to these huge win totals in OOC which gets fans all frothy and excited. Conference rolls around and the bubble is shattered and were reminded, year after year after year that were still just an ok team. I am tired of is never making the next step. Our record is a direct correlation to our schedule, not our talent. We're good, but I could argue this isn't Shyatts most talented team so far. And last but not least, if shyatt wants the fans off his ass, win us a conference championship and get us to the NCAA. That's it. As a fan base we're tired of CBI garbage. We will never earn national or regional respect in the CBI or NIT. The goal every year has to be th NCAA

 

[DocHolliday]

I have to agree with some here who view this season through the just prism it deserves...the prevalent notion of those who believe that some are being too negative seems to indicate that the fan base should simply be appreciative of whatever positives can be ascertained no matter the fact that the 'win total' this season is somewhat of a fabrication and actually makes the Cowboys seem better than they really are.

Who have the Cowboys beaten this season of true substance outside of CSU & Boise State?

Do the Cowboys have by far the least challenging schedule in the MWC?

Do the Cowboys still have the propensity to lose key games that a team that wants to be taken seriously absolutely needs to win in order to gain the respect and credibility they so crave?

LNJ or not, does a team who wants to be perceived as a good club go down to the springs & not just lose to a bad Air Force club - but gets blown out?

Does a team who has championship aspirations (I think?) come home after being off for a week and come out flat against a team (Fresno State) that they claim to be better than and lose a game with so much on the line?

Look it, I love the grit of this team, and I bleed brown & gold with the best of them, all of us do. But this notion that we should simply be satisfied with the meager offerings presented by the Pokes basketball team and that we should be impressed with 'the best team in years' is shallow and limited thinking in my book.

Taken in context and adding some perspective this year's team has an inflated win total against an easy schedule and in a very down year overall for the conference in general. If they didn't win 20+ games against this season's schedule then something would be even more wrong.

I love this team, I love Wyoming, but as many opined during the end of Dave Christensen's era - we want more, much more.

Want the fan base satisfied?

Then be in the mix for the MWC championship with consistency - and be a contender to go to the Big Dance most years as well.

2002 was a long time ago.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Not I, I imagine he is much too young to imbibe...not a negative attribute, just an observation.

Couldn't be more wrong, actually.

 

[joshvanklomp]

And last but not least, if shyatt wants the fans off his ass, win us a conference championship and get us to the NCAA. That's it. As a fan base we're tired of CBI garbage. We will never earn national or regional respect in the CBI or NIT. The goal every year has to be th NCAA

I don't think it's that common for teams to make a jump from the CBI right to the NCAA. Of course it's our goal, but sometimes you have to learn to crawl before you can sprint.

 

[joshvanklomp]

Look it, I love the grit of this team, and I bleed brown & gold with the best of them, all of us do. But this notion that we should simply be satisfied with the meager offerings presented by the Pokes basketball team and that we should be impressed with 'the best team in years' is shallow and limited thinking in my book.

I'm not calling for blind optimism. But just a little bit of encouragement goes a long way for these student-athletes. You wonder why they don't feel the support, but just take a look at the comments posted here and on Twitter daily.

Do you enjoy having a boss that only tells you about when you f*** up? Even when you do something positive, he still puts a negative spin on it, no matter what. After a while, I know that schtick would get old and I would start looking for a new job. Call it thin-skinned if you want, but that's how I feel.

 

[DocHolliday]

Look it, I love the grit of this team, and I bleed brown & gold with the best of them, all of us do. But this notion that we should simply be satisfied with the meager offerings presented by the Pokes basketball team and that we should be impressed with 'the best team in years' is shallow and limited thinking in my book.

I'm not calling for blind optimism. But just a little bit of encouragement goes a long way for these student-athletes. You wonder why they don't feel the support, but just take a look at the comments posted here and on Twitter daily.

Do you enjoy having a boss that only tells you about when you f*** up? Even when you do something positive, he still puts a negative spin on it, no matter what. After a while, I know that schtick would get old and I would start looking for a new job. Call it thin-skinned if you want, but that's how I feel.

And I think this board has been reflective at times during this season of those who have credited the team from time to time.

Okay to your point about crawling or walking before you sprint - so how about an NIT berth this season?

Look it, I am not one who ever thought this team was championship timber or was even worthy of an NCAA bid this season.

In my mind this is an average ballclub with lots of flaws and almost nothing in the way of substantive depth.

I've never indicated that I expect this team to blow people away or legitimately contend with the big powers in the sport.

If anything I've tried to temper the feelings of some who have promoted this club as an authentic challenger to anyone's throne.

However, on the other hand, there have been many here who have looked at this team through the lenses of nothing but brown and gold kool-aid.

If some are looking at this year's team as a bonafide contender, those same folks cannot expect some here to think in more objective terms when assessing the true state of Wyoming basketball.

Sure they won 20+ games again this season - but in the end what does it amount to?

I like most of what Shyatt's teams have done since he's been in Laramie - however - I don't like what I perceive to be Shyatt's message that as Wyoming basketball fans we should simply accept what we get, be appreciative, and be thankful that we have a team that plays hard each game. These are givens I would think with most folks.

The record will indicate over the last few years that in games the Pokes absolutely need to win in order to bring the program up to another level - they have lost most of these games.

I'd like to see Shyatt talk in more ways about raising the bar higher, expecting more, and less in the way of talking about moral victories or being satisfied that we came close...but no cigar.

 

[joshvanklomp]

I like most of what Shyatt's teams have done since he's been in Laramie - however - I don't like what I perceive to be Shyatt's message that as Wyoming basketball fans we should simply accept what we get, be appreciative, and be thankful that we have a team that plays hard each game. These are givens I would think with most folks.

The record will indicate over the last few years that in games the Pokes absolutely need to win in order to bring the program up to another level - they have lost most of these games.

I'd like to see Shyatt talk in more ways about raising the bar higher, expecting more, and less in the way of talking about moral victories or being satisfied that we came close...but no cigar.

I don't think he's trying to say there's no need to raise the bar or it's dumb to have high expectations.

There's a middle ground that seems to be often forgotten around here, and I'm probably guilty of it at times myself. It's all or nothing far too often. Either meet my expectations or you're a failure. That's how the comments around this message board and in social media are likely perceived by the team. Hankerson goes through a shooting slump? Bench him, he's worthless. Grabau went through his shooting slump? Bench him, he's terrible. We have bad luck with mono, Herndon gets blamed for passing it on to Nance. It just goes on and on.

Maybe I'm Mr. Positivity, but I don't see the point in only dwelling on the negatives. It's okay to be critical of players, but it's also okay to be complementary of the team without being questioned if you've been drinking or be told "you don't really know what happened."

 

[wyokoke]

I like most of what Shyatt's teams have done since he's been in Laramie - however - I don't like what I perceive to be Shyatt's message that as Wyoming basketball fans we should simply accept what we get, be appreciative, and be thankful that we have a team that plays hard each game. These are givens I would think with most folks.

The record will indicate over the last few years that in games the Pokes absolutely need to win in order to bring the program up to another level - they have lost most of these games.

I'd like to see Shyatt talk in more ways about raising the bar higher, expecting more, and less in the way of talking about moral victories or being satisfied that we came close...but no cigar.

I don't think he's trying to say there's no need to raise the bar or it's dumb to have high expectations.

There's a middle ground that seems to be often forgotten around here, and I'm probably guilty of it at times myself. It's all or nothing far too often. Either meet my expectations or you're a failure. That's how the comments around this message board and in social media are likely perceived by the team. Hankerson goes through a shooting slump? Bench him, he's worthless. Grabau went through his shooting slump? Bench him, he's terrible. We have bad luck with mono, Herndon gets blamed for passing it on to Nance. It just goes on and on.

Maybe I'm Mr. Positivity, but I don't see the point in only dwelling on the negatives. It's okay to be critical of players, but it's also okay to be complementary of the team without being questioned if you've been drinking or be told "you don't really know what happened."

Where? You've mentioned this a few times, making it seem like you've seen this. I haven't seen anything, where are you getting that from?

 

[joshvanklomp]

Where? You've mentioned this a few times, making it seem like you've seen this. I haven't seen anything, where are you getting that from?

I believe that was on Twitter.

EDIT: yup

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorcubsdan/status/563753113983524864[/tweet]

 

[seattlecowboy]

Where? You've mentioned this a few times, making it seem like you've seen this. I haven't seen anything, where are you getting that from?

I believe that was on Twitter.

EDIT: yup

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorcubsdan/status/563753113983524864[/tweet]

You realize this guy who tweeted this is an Indiana basketball fan and a college hoops fan in general right? Now show me where any Wyoming fan blamed Herndon for giving Nance mono?

 

[wyokoke]

Where? You've mentioned this a few times, making it seem like you've seen this. I haven't seen anything, where are you getting that from?

I believe that was on Twitter.

EDIT: yup

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorcubsdan/status/563753113983524864[/tweet]

I guess I didn't see that before, you're more than fair criticizing him though. That guy is a dumbass.

 

[Cuttslam]

Where? You've mentioned this a few times, making it seem like you've seen this. I haven't seen anything, where are you getting that from?

I believe that was on Twitter.

EDIT: yup

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorcubsdan/status/563753113983524864[/tweet]

Please, he has nothing to do with Wyoming.

 

[calpoke25]

And last but not least, if shyatt wants the fans off his ass, win us a conference championship and get us to the NCAA. That's it. As a fan base we're tired of CBI garbage. We will never earn national or regional respect in the CBI or NIT. The goal every year has to be th NCAA

I don't think it's that common for teams to make a jump from the CBI right to the NCAA. Of course it's our goal, but sometimes you have to learn to crawl before you can sprint.

This team returned 6 seniors with the pre-season conference player of the year and a likely all-time Wyoming great. The team has been to 3 straight CBIs. It's not common to leap from the CBI to the NCAA? After how many CBIs exactly does one have to wait for in your uneducated opinion before we are to expect an NCAA berth? This is, or at least was supposed to be, the year, considering next year we are likely to take a step back.

All the language surrounding the program pre-season and during OOC play has been NCAA tournament. Why a short turnaround for some of the OOC games? To supposedly prepare us for short turnarounds in the NCAA tournament. This is directly from the program. Returning one of the most experienced lineups in Wyoming history in terms of games played, what exactly should have been the expectation this year, if according to you NCAA is setting the bar too high?

It's not simply the fans who expected NCAA tournament this year, I think the coaches and players themselves set that same bar for themselves this year when you take into consideration all the NCAA language from the program this year. The only thing they failed to do was to schedule like a team that wanted to be in the NCAA tournament.

 

[Wyo2dal]

We were picked to finish 6th in the conference for a reason.

 

[Adv8RU12]

It is my observation that, every year for the past several years, the Pokes have folded at the tail end of the season. Way more losses than wins. Now what accounts for that? Poor motivation by the coaches? Fatigue of the players? Positions of the stars? It looks like it's happening again this year.

 

[NowherePoke]

Where? You've mentioned this a few times, making it seem like you've seen this. I haven't seen anything, where are you getting that from?

I believe that was on Twitter.

EDIT: yup

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorcubsdan/status/563753113983524864[/tweet]

You realize this guy who tweeted this is an Indiana basketball fan and a college hoops fan in general right? Now show me where any Wyoming fan blamed Herndon for giving Nance mono?

I am guessing you won't get a response to this.

Plus, I think the college basketball blogger referenced in the post was actually joking.

 

[BeaverPoke]

And last but not least, if shyatt wants the fans off his ass, win us a conference championship and get us to the NCAA. That's it. As a fan base we're tired of CBI garbage. We will never earn national or regional respect in the CBI or NIT. The goal every year has to be th NCAA

I don't think it's that common for teams to make a jump from the CBI right to the NCAA. Of course it's our goal, but sometimes you have to learn to crawl before you can sprint.

Dude, the last 3 years we SHOULD have been CBI, NIT, Big Dance, not CBI CBI CBI.
But no! Fuck it! 4 years in a row for the CBI should be the fucking goal!