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Pete Thomas Coming to Wyo

djm19 said:
Yeah, the guy is a primadona pansy for sure. Can we tolerate for one year though?

You would be happier to tolerate losing a lot more? Why call him a pansy simply because he wants to be the starting QB at where ever he is at? Maybe a primadona, but a pansy.....no one has ever said that about him. This whole conversation is probably moot anyway.
 
PotatoCreekPete said:
djm19 said:
Yeah, the guy is a primadona pansy for sure. Can we tolerate for one year though?

You would be happier to tolerate losing a lot more? Why call him a pansy simply because he wants to be the starting QB at where ever he is at? Maybe a primadona, but a pansy.....no one has ever said that about him. This whole conversation is probably moot anyway.

No, you missed it. As a fan, could we tolerate the circus he brings with him? The lack of work ethic? The loafing in practice? The whining about things? I have two friends who played at byu when he was there. Both, in different conversations, said the O line would purposely miss blocks sometimes to get him hit and toughen him up. The guy was an entitled baby.

He is soft. A soft person = pansy.

All that being said, I could handle him for a year to get us through. He has more D1 experience more than anyone on our roster. This is all a moot point because I dont think Wyoming even wants him .All hypothetical.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUK1wEHx4EY[/youtube]
 
WYCowboy said:
Not no, but HELL NO to Heaps. He would leave a cancer with this team for years.

It is so hard to be able to tell where you stand on some issues WYCowboy....are you for or against him coming????? :question:

Personally I think that this is a moot point. (TIC)
 
djm19 said:
what do you think of Jake Heaps? I sure think he is a douche bag, but I think overall he is stil better than what we have.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/30/report-jake-heaps-transferring-from-kansas/


Jake Heaps! Seriously!? The dude couldn't cut it at BYU, he had all the opportunity at that Abysmal KU football program to become a starter and couldn't cut it there either. This year he is getting shown up by a JUCO player so he wants to transfer again. The kid seriously can't cut it anywhere he goes.

His lack of passion for anyone he plays for is disturbing. His numbers don't lie either. I listened all last year to even the KU announcers pretty much bash him for botched plays, terrible passes and horrid decisions.
I really think Kirk is leaps and bounds better than Heaps.
 
As I recall, Heaps was highly rated coming into BYU, and than subsequently failed hard. Once again, experience doesn't mean crap when it comes down to execution. Capt. Kirk has been working his ass off and has done pretty well. He's not Brett Smith, but Brett set some incredible records that will stand for a long time. Plus we have 2 more QBs coming in for a Fall camp, both dual threat guys. Our last two freshmen qb starters did pretty well, so why not give the guys we have a chance instead of latching onto 1 failed QB after another that is transferring in their final season?

Besides, Thomas and Heaps are both less mobile than Kirk is, and with our o-line, they would have to be scraped off the field before the end of their first game here.
 
fromolwyoming said:
Our last two freshmen qb starters did pretty well, so why not give the guys we have a chance instead of latching onto 1 failed QB after another that is transferring in their final season?

ala Pete Thomas...
 
People are going to be really disappointed with QB play at Wyoming for a few years. Brett Smith was a once in a short lifetime QB.. players like him don't come around often, at any school, but we have to avoid using him as the measuring stick or we'll be disappointed. QB play ebbs and flows at every college.. sometimes you get an all-world QB followed by another, then what? Look at Purdue.. they had Brees, followed by Orton followed by Painter.. now they can't find a QB. Look at Florida.. they had Leake, they had Tebow, now they've had a mess since then. We don't need a Brett Smith to be successful as a team.. especially in Bohl's offense, we just need a QB who doesn't turn the ball over and can make a few nice throws per game. Brock Jensen wasn't an all-world QB, but he did the little things right, and was a relentless competitor. One hit wonders like Pete Thomas and Jake Heaps would probably hinder more than help.. also, there's a reason why they're looking for new homes..
 
fromolwyoming said:
As I recall, Heaps was highly rated coming into BYU, and than subsequently failed hard. Once again, experience doesn't mean crap when it comes down to execution. Capt. Kirk has been working his ass off and has done pretty well. He's not Brett Smith, but Brett set some incredible records that will stand for a long time. Plus we have 2 more QBs coming in for a Fall camp, both dual threat guys. Our last two freshmen qb starters did pretty well, so why not give the guys we have a chance instead of latching onto 1 failed QB after another that is transferring in their final season?

Besides, Thomas and Heaps are both less mobile than Kirk is, and with our o-line, they would have to be scraped off the field before the end of their first game here.

EVERY QB at Wyoming has been working their backsides off, and I would imagine that every QB in the MWC has been working their backsides off for Spring Ball, so that means what? You say he "has done pretty well", and you get this from what? He's the best of the worst? Even Coach Bohl has said that we are no where near we need to be at the QB position to be successful.

Let's face it, Wyoming has a bunch of guys that have never won a starting job at the D.1 level, so we have the "Battle of the Back-ups". Frankly right now our QB position is probably the worst in the conference. There isn't a QB at Wyoming that would have a heart beats chance of starting on any other club in the conference. I am amazed at how everyone is thinking that we will be fine if "the person just doesn't make mistakes"....my gosh a QB needs to do a wee bit more than that to be successful in this league no matter what offense the team is running. As some one else most appropriately noted, when someone else said that we have good WR's and RB's....that is like a car with great tires but no engine....it won't be going anywhere.
 
PotatoCreekPete said:
fromolwyoming said:
As I recall, Heaps was highly rated coming into BYU, and than subsequently failed hard. Once again, experience doesn't mean crap when it comes down to execution. Capt. Kirk has been working his ass off and has done pretty well. He's not Brett Smith, but Brett set some incredible records that will stand for a long time. Plus we have 2 more QBs coming in for a Fall camp, both dual threat guys. Our last two freshmen qb starters did pretty well, so why not give the guys we have a chance instead of latching onto 1 failed QB after another that is transferring in their final season?

Besides, Thomas and Heaps are both less mobile than Kirk is, and with our o-line, they would have to be scraped off the field before the end of their first game here.

EVERY QB at Wyoming has been working their backsides off, and I would imagine that every QB in the MWC has been working their backsides off for Spring Ball, so that means what? You say he "has done pretty well", and you get this from what? He's the best of the worst? Even Coach Bohl has said that we are no where near we need to be at the QB position to be successful.

Let's face it, Wyoming has a bunch of guys that have never won a starting job at the D.1 level, so we have the "Battle of the Back-ups". Frankly right now our QB position is probably the worst in the conference. There isn't a QB at Wyoming that would have a heart beats chance of starting on any other club in the conference. I am amazed at how everyone is thinking that we will be fine if "the person just doesn't make mistakes"....my gosh a QB needs to do a wee bit more than that to be successful in this league no matter what offense the team is running. As some one else most appropriately noted, when someone else said that we have good WR's and RB's....that is like a car with great tires but no engine....it won't be going anywhere.
I like how you ignored the part about we still have 2 more QBs coming in who haven't even had a chance to show what they can do, meanwhile you're all gung-ho about a couple of MWC cast offs that failed not only at their original schools, but everywhere else they've been at since. People like you are trying to equate experience with success, despite these player's past records and performances shows it to be otherwise. What you've been suggesting would be like putting a defective engine into a car knowing that it'll break down, but using it anyways because it had been in previous vehicles, even though it broke down in those.
 
MrTitleist said:
People are going to be really disappointed with QB play at Wyoming for a few years. Brett Smith was a once in a short lifetime QB.. players like him don't come around often, at any school, but we have to avoid using him as the measuring stick or we'll be disappointed. QB play ebbs and flows at every college.. sometimes you get an all-world QB followed by another, then what? Look at Purdue.. they had Brees, followed by Orton followed by Painter.. now they can't find a QB. Look at Florida.. they had Leake, they had Tebow, now they've had a mess since then. We don't need a Brett Smith to be successful as a team.. especially in Bohl's offense, we just need a QB who doesn't turn the ball over and can make a few nice throws per game. Brock Jensen wasn't an all-world QB, but he did the little things right, and was a relentless competitor. One hit wonders like Pete Thomas and Jake Heaps would probably hinder more than help.. also, there's a reason why they're looking for new homes..
+1 This....a rude awakening awaits some fans this season. Replacing great QBs at the non-AQ level is a bitch.
 
Heaps is not a good quarterback.

No quarterback from BYU on the COWBOY football team. Not Now, Not Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't make me VOMIT!!
 
Replacing QBs is hard. I'm encouraged by Bohl's philosophy of building the lines. A dang good O line can mask a lot of QB inefficiencies. You still need a guy who can read defenses and get the ball out, but it is a lot easier if he doesn't have to worry about the pressure and has good run support.

I like Bohl's philosophy and agree with it 100%. It does seem we've had trouble getting good linemen or coaching them properly, so I also worry about it.
 
fromolwyoming said:
PotatoCreekPete said:
fromolwyoming said:
As I recall, Heaps was highly rated coming into BYU, and than subsequently failed hard. Once again, experience doesn't mean crap when it comes down to execution. Capt. Kirk has been working his ass off and has done pretty well. He's not Brett Smith, but Brett set some incredible records that will stand for a long time. Plus we have 2 more QBs coming in for a Fall camp, both dual threat guys. Our last two freshmen qb starters did pretty well, so why not give the guys we have a chance instead of latching onto 1 failed QB after another that is transferring in their final season?

Besides, Thomas and Heaps are both less mobile than Kirk is, and with our o-line, they would have to be scraped off the field before the end of their first game here.

EVERY QB at Wyoming has been working their backsides off, and I would imagine that every QB in the MWC has been working their backsides off for Spring Ball, so that means what? You say he "has done pretty well", and you get this from what? He's the best of the worst? Even Coach Bohl has said that we are no where near we need to be at the QB position to be successful.

Let's face it, Wyoming has a bunch of guys that have never won a starting job at the D.1 level, so we have the "Battle of the Back-ups". Frankly right now our QB position is probably the worst in the conference. There isn't a QB at Wyoming that would have a heart beats chance of starting on any other club in the conference. I am amazed at how everyone is thinking that we will be fine if "the person just doesn't make mistakes"....my gosh a QB needs to do a wee bit more than that to be successful in this league no matter what offense the team is running. As some one else most appropriately noted, when someone else said that we have good WR's and RB's....that is like a car with great tires but no engine....it won't be going anywhere.
I like how you ignored the part about we still have 2 more QBs coming in who haven't even had a chance to show what they can do, meanwhile you're all gung-ho about a couple of MWC cast offs that failed not only at their original schools, but everywhere else they've been at since. People like you are trying to equate experience with success, despite these player's past records and performances shows it to be otherwise. What you've been suggesting would be like putting a defective engine into a car knowing that it'll break down, but using it anyways because it had been in previous vehicles, even though it broke down in those.

YOU are the one that is supporting people that have never been successful at the D.1 level and saying, we will be fine. At least Thomas and Heap have actually won a game at a D.1 level and won the starting QB job at a D.1 school.......this is FAR MORE than ANYONE you support has done. So when you accuse me of supporting someone that has failed, you come off as a hypocrite, because who you are supporting has done way less than the ones I would love to see and come and at least compete for a starting job. You aren't even willing to welcome these guys to even trying out for a starting job. What scares you about these guys? That they just might win the job over the people that you support. It really appears that you are way more supportive of an individual for the job instead of getting the best person for the job. Unlike you, I support the program not an individual.

The freshmen haven't even showed up on campus and I was just speaking about Spring Ball and who Kirkegaard has already competed against. If the freshmen come in and one of them wins the QB job that would sure say a lot about the existing QB battle and who you support. Also unlike you, I am not ignoring what Coach Bohl has been saying about the QB battle and the situation at QB.

The ugly truth that you wish to ignore is that NO clear cut person took charge of the QB position in Spring ball and won it. Bohl said things like, "if I had to make a depth chart this is who I would put out there, but it is really fluid", and "the play at QB is far from where it needs to be". I paraphrase some but frankly he is realistic and I am also trying to be realistic. The depth chart at QB was by default, and that is not one that speaks of a lot of talent at the position. I am not trying to be personal about these young men, because I am sure they are all fine young men who represent the university well, but this is a competitive situation and especially it is important to put the best in at QB that will give us a chance to be successful next season, and we aren't there no matter how much some people wish it was.
 
No, you're reading me wrong. You're ready to hand over the starting job to QBs who have not exactly been good, at all, while disparaging QBs that we already have that were rarely given the chance to develop under the previous coaching regime. You readily throw them by the wayside, partly because they were underdeveloped and partly because they haven't had much experience playing Div 1. But as soon as a failed QB announces he's looking to transfer for the 3rd time, you're ready to crown him the starter simply because he has experience. What you fail to look at, is at everything else. Their records suck, their decision making is poor, their ability to run is non existant (an ability you yourself have been demanding), and their arms aren't exactly cannons either.

Basically, going by the way YOU judge our current QBs, Heaps and Thomas are basically experienced Kirkegaards that are slower and have already proven they cannot win at the Div 1 level. THAT'S my problem with your "opinion".
 
fromolwyoming said:
No, you're reading me wrong. You're ready to hand over the starting job to QBs who have not exactly been good, at all, while disparaging QBs that we already have that were rarely given the chance to develop under the previous coaching regime. You readily throw them by the wayside, partly because they were underdeveloped and partly because they haven't had much experience playing Div 1. But as soon as a failed QB announces he's looking to transfer for the 3rd time, you're ready to crown him the starter simply because he has experience. What you fail to look at, is at everything else. Their records suck, their decision making is poor, their ability to run is non existant (an ability you yourself have been demanding), and their arms aren't exactly cannons either.

Basically, going by the way YOU judge our current QBs, Heaps and Thomas are basically experienced Kirkegaards that are slower and have already proven they cannot win at the Div 1 level. THAT'S my problem with your "opinion".

How many wins does Kirkegaard as a QB have at a D.1 school? 0
How many wins does Thornton as a QB have at a D.1 school? 0
How many wins does Stratton as a QB have at a D.1 school? 0
How many wins does Young as a a QB have at a D.1 school? 0

How many QB jobs have been won by these 4 QB's at a D.1 school? 0

You are the one saying that we don't need anyone else to compete with these guys!

Talk about someone that fails miserably to read thoroughly what others write, that is YOU! Where did I EVER say that these guys (Thomas or Heap) simply because of their past experience should be given the starting QB job at Wyoming? I NEVER said this and I never even hinted it!

You are the one that doesn't want anyone else to even come in and compete with the 4 guys now on campus (other than the 2 freshmen coming in).

You talk about the "failure" of Heap and Thomas (who isn't coming to Wyoming of course)....but they have MORE success than all four of the QB's who played Spring ball at Wyoming in total! I see that you are good at making excuses...."rarely given the chance....". Kirkegaard had EVERY chance in the book to show what he was able to do in 3 years, the flat out fact was that he isn't close to the QB that Brett Smith is, another fact that you hate to admit is true. T. Thornton wasn't on campus that long before DC left, but Stratton was and he had every chance to show what he was capable of as well. Your making excuses for these guys failures of winning the starting QB job at Wyoming is lame. How about supporting the program instead of the player?

I sat in the stadium and watched the Spring game and frankly not one of the QB's was truly impressive, as none of them took charge of their squad. Thornton was the most successful through the air, and Stratton was the most successful on the ground, and that is frightening! It really appears that you are pulling for specific guys instead of the program and luckily Coach Bohl DOESN'T think like you, and I feel it is so great that you ignore what Coach Bohl says about the progress of the QB position and I guess you know more than he does.
 
I'm all for Heaps.
Dude is talented.
He couldn't cut it at BYU because he isn't Mormon.
He couldn't cut it at Kansas because Charlie Weiss is not a good coach and is the head coach at F***** KANSAS.

Let Heaps come in, win us 8 games, and then we can beat BYU in a bowl game.
 
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