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MWC Hoops
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fromolwyoming
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UNLV certainly has the talent, and at home they can knock off some pretty good teams. SDSU, provided they find an offense, will most likely be #1 for the NCAA bid. The sheep, if they continue to win, could be #2. We need to be #3. And that begins by defending the home court.Wyo2dal said:
calpoke25
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Wyo2dal said:
Depends on your definition of sweep the MW. SDSU has enough street cred that I think 4-5 losses or less in MW play will make them almost assured of an at large bid, of course depending on who those losses are to and whether they were upset early in the MW tourney.
The team who basically has to run through the MW to have any hope of an at large is Wyoming, an I'm talking 3 losses or less.
NowherePoke
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Wyo2dal said:
SDSU is still in good position. Arguably better than CSU. CSU has a better RPI, but SDSU has more quality wins at this point.
Obviously as weak as the MWC is this year, nobody is getting an at-large without a top 3 finish basically, but I think both SDSU and CSU can earn at-larges by going 12-6/13-5 and finishing top 3. Everybody else, including the Pokes, is basically looking at no chance or needing to go 15-3 or something.
ETA: calpoke basically covered all this in his post.
kansasCowboy
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What the hell has happened to Marks and Drimic at Boise? I've seen Drimic's been out for several games and in last nights loss they didn't have Marks? Anyone know? If this is the case, Boise is going to drop several spots in MWC play.
kansasCowboy
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NowherePoke said:
If NMSU, Denver and N. Col make a run and flip their seasons around in conf play, that will better our RPI. On top of SMU and Cal continuing their success. And it all depends on if we take care of business ourselves. If we have 23 wins by regular seasons end, we'll be right in the mix, based on how we play in the conf tourney. If we have 24 or more wins, I think we're in, that's if we don't slip to any of the bottom tier conf teams.
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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Granted it's only supposition and opinion, interesting that the 4 MWC teams in this list aren't the normal group.... Conference should be very interesting. We have to take care of business.
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fromolwyoming
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Have to be an Insider to read it. Could you just post the list, or at least the MWC schools and any little paragraphs they have?ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
POKE FAN
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Here are some excerpts from a pretty informative ESPN article (March, 2014) on how the selection process works. The article is from the perspective of committee member Jamie Zaninovich, WCC commissioner. I don't know how many interviews with committee members I've seen over the last 15 years that make the same general comments about the overrated RPI. :
What Zaninovich is forthcoming about is what he believes are the important measuring sticks for teams trying to receive at-large berths and higher seeds in the tournament:
* What he will pay attention to is regular feedback from the conferences he is covering. Two weeks ago, he chatted with Pac-12 and Big 12 representatives. "I'll ask them, 'Rank your teams for me and give me a sense of what their seed range is,'" he said.
* Multiple times he mentions winning on the road, particularly winning road conference games. He notes that home teams win 70 percent of their games, so that's a way a team can distinguish itself. "That's a big differentiator for me," he said. "If teams can't win meaningful road games in conference, then you have to take a second look at them."
* Then comes nonconference strength of schedule. "It's not definitive, but if you're getting towards the bubble, you better make sure you've at least shown some initiative to play some teams in the nonconference schedule or then it could become an issue," he said.
* What's not as important as you might think? RPI. "It's a valuable tool," he said. "There's no better tool to organize things. But it's way overvalued on an absolute basis. It's the relative basis [where it is useful]. It helps us organize batches of top-50 teams."
* What isn't important? A team's conference. "Conference is so overvalued, relative to its true value," he said. "Yes, it matters what conference you play in, but I've never heard the word 'conference RPI' uttered in the room. We don't even look at conference standings that much because there are so many unbalanced leagues now where teams don't play each other twice.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...men-basketball-tournament-selection-committee
What Zaninovich is forthcoming about is what he believes are the important measuring sticks for teams trying to receive at-large berths and higher seeds in the tournament:
* What he will pay attention to is regular feedback from the conferences he is covering. Two weeks ago, he chatted with Pac-12 and Big 12 representatives. "I'll ask them, 'Rank your teams for me and give me a sense of what their seed range is,'" he said.
* Multiple times he mentions winning on the road, particularly winning road conference games. He notes that home teams win 70 percent of their games, so that's a way a team can distinguish itself. "That's a big differentiator for me," he said. "If teams can't win meaningful road games in conference, then you have to take a second look at them."
* Then comes nonconference strength of schedule. "It's not definitive, but if you're getting towards the bubble, you better make sure you've at least shown some initiative to play some teams in the nonconference schedule or then it could become an issue," he said.
* What's not as important as you might think? RPI. "It's a valuable tool," he said. "There's no better tool to organize things. But it's way overvalued on an absolute basis. It's the relative basis [where it is useful]. It helps us organize batches of top-50 teams."
* What isn't important? A team's conference. "Conference is so overvalued, relative to its true value," he said. "Yes, it matters what conference you play in, but I've never heard the word 'conference RPI' uttered in the room. We don't even look at conference standings that much because there are so many unbalanced leagues now where teams don't play each other twice.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...men-basketball-tournament-selection-committee
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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fromolwyoming said:
32. San Diego State University
One of the five best defensive teams in the country, San Diego State can guard you, but cannot score on you. The Aztecs are ranked 147th in the country in offensive efficiency, and 288th in effective field goal percentage, including 319th in 3-point percentage. Yikes. The Aztecs had better be good on defense.
48. Colorado State University
The Rams are unbeaten and solid, but have not beaten a top-50 opponent in their 11-0 start, and are ranked 231st in effective field goal percentage defense (50.6). The number of one-possession games Colorado State has won (four so far) is impressive.
54. The University of Wyoming
The Cowboys are 10-2 with losses to SMU and California, and have gotten great play from senior Larry Nance Jr.
57. Boise State University
The Broncos have really good guards and can score efficiently, but are vulnerable in the frontcourt to bigger, stronger teams.
NowherePoke
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kansasCowboy said:
Drmic has been out with a back injury and Marks twisted his ankle in the game against Houston. They have also had some other players (Duncan, Wacker) out with injuries.
None of them are expected to last long so I would expect a full strength BSU team by the time we play them in January. They haven't said exactly but it sounds like Marks should definitely be back for CSU and Duncan and Wacker suited up last night. Drmic is key obviously, so it would be nice if he was back in time for CSU (their first MWC game).
NowherePoke
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ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
If the selection committee feels the same way Bilas does, that would make the MWC a potential one-bid league. Generally you can say the Top 45-50 teams will make it. It could swing a little bit each year depending on who wins conference tournaments, but there are 37 at-large selections and you can assume somewhere between 8-12 auto bids will be from teams that are at-large level (P5+A-10, WCC, MVC, MWC, AAC, BE).
I think the MWC gets 2-3. If SDSU/CSU finish in the Top 3 I believe they are in. Wyoming, BSU and UNLV have the opportunity to build an at-large resume with a strong top of conference finish.
NowherePoke
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POKE FAN said:
Wyoming OOC SOS is 327. This will really hurt us in the eyes of the committee I am afraid.
SMU was left out last year and one of the primary reasons given was OOC SOS (theirs was 303 last year) and the fact that they had only 4 Top 100 wins. Pokes currently have one Top 100 win and will only have 5-7 games (depending on UNLV) in MWC play against Top 100 opponents.
I think the Pokes have to win the MWC regular season outright to make the tourney as an at-large. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise as I think that was probably true in 01-02 as well, the last time we made the tourney.
i'm thinking 3 teams as well, SDSU, CSU and us, but we can't rule out UNLV, especially beating Ariz... not really worried about the others, except for Fresno as they are a thorn in our side, we have to learn to get it done on the road and all should be fine and dandy
POKE FAN
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Only six OOC games left for MWC teams before league play starts next Wednesday. The only game of significance is sheep-NMSU in Las Cruces. UNLV also has a tune-up game against So. Utah. Here are some (apples-and-oranges) statistical comparisons from OOC play of the perceived top MWC contenders:
SCORING DEFENSE Avg/G
1. Wyoming 49.9
2. San Diego State 54.7
SCORING MARGIN
1. Wyoming +13.5
2. Boise State +10.9
3. Colorado State +10.9
FREE THROW PCT
1. Boise State .734
4. Wyoming .700
8. Colorado State .652
9. San Diego State .622
11. UNLV .596
FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
1. Wyoming .503
3. Colorado State .475
4. Boise State .468
5. UNLV .439
9. San Diego State .403
FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE
1. San Diego State .366
2. UNLV .373
5. Wyoming .386
7. Boise State .399
9. Colorado State .427
REBOUNDING MARGIN
1. Colorado State +6.8
5. Wyoming +3.2
6. San Diego State +2.1
7. Boise State +2.0
8. UNLV -0.1
SCORING DEFENSE Avg/G
1. Wyoming 49.9
2. San Diego State 54.7
SCORING MARGIN
1. Wyoming +13.5
2. Boise State +10.9
3. Colorado State +10.9
FREE THROW PCT
1. Boise State .734
4. Wyoming .700
8. Colorado State .652
9. San Diego State .622
11. UNLV .596
FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
1. Wyoming .503
3. Colorado State .475
4. Boise State .468
5. UNLV .439
9. San Diego State .403
FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE
1. San Diego State .366
2. UNLV .373
5. Wyoming .386
7. Boise State .399
9. Colorado State .427
REBOUNDING MARGIN
1. Colorado State +6.8
5. Wyoming +3.2
6. San Diego State +2.1
7. Boise State +2.0
8. UNLV -0.1
POKE FAN
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Note: CS-ewe remains at #24 in this week's AP Top 25, with SDSU at #28 and UNLV at #33. (Ex-CST beat writer and Laramie resident Ben Frederickson has the sheep ranked a criminally insane #11 on his ballot this week.)
The Pokes need to make hay this week.
Note: CS-ewe remains at #24 in this week's AP Top 25, with SDSU at #28 and UNLV at #33. (Ex-CST beat writer and Laramie resident Ben Frederickson has the sheep ranked a criminally insane #11 on his ballot this week.)
The Pokes need to make hay this week.
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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#11?!?!?!? Haha he must be spending too much time at smoke shops in FOCOPOKE FAN said:
