Fixing this

[ragtimejoe1]

Kudos to the D for hanging in there for awhile. Very obvious they wore down and AF was going to bulldoze us in the second half. Still, guys played hard but we need more players.

Offense became a concern. We faced a D that had a pulse and that scheme didn't look great.

Won't happen but I wish we had payday games the next 3 years for 1 mill per game. Take that money and use for oc and DC.

On O we need someone like Pease or Dan H. or someone from the BSU lineage to bring that pro-style O to Laramie.

On D, see what it would take to get Corey Raymond or some other young hotshot from the Chavis lineage to bring that style of the 4-3, including the mustang package (note he uses T2 in certain situations).

I think Bohl can do this but I'd feel better if he had better support. If we are serious, coordinators are where we need to invest. Hell, see if we could land Ed O. It will cost us, but if we really want to succeed, we need to spend the money to get a staff.

 

[bladerunnr]

In another thread, I was surprised to learn we spend far less on football than csewe and San Diego state. Basically, I think Jim Harbaugh's salary is more than our entire football budget. BTW, it didn't take very long for him to turn things around, did it?

I think the pres and the BOT are going to have to ante up and spend some dough on assistant coaches. Sonny Lubick had some great ones (Urban Meyer for one). When they started to leave for greener pastures, the program started to struggle.

As I've stated before, It makes no sense to spend millions on stadium upgrades and then be penny pinchers on coaching salaries.

 

[SnowyRange]

I think the pres and the BOT are going to have to ante up and spend some dough

They don't have any dough to spend...not to mention there's a whole line of needs at UW which outrank assistants for the football team.

 

[yopaulie]

Given the budget, the coaching process needs to be much like the recruiting approach. Not going to outcompete for most of the 4 star recruits or current star coaches. Gotta be the best at finding the up and comers. I like the hires like Mallory.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Comparing Harboughs turn around to ours is dumb. Michigan always has top 15 recruiting classes even when Joke was there.

The players Harbough is dealing with are at worst 3* with a lot of 4* and even some 5*.

We are lucky to have a few 3*.

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

I agree on coordinators. That has to be it. It's a lack of talent thing, but it's also clear the team isn't prepared and doesn't adapt. Don't you have to put that on coaching?


I "think" they are recruiting well so I'm not saying get rid of these guys. Maybe they can coach talent and when they have it everything will be ok. But I also have the thought that great coaching can coach anyone. Even "someone else's guys"

 

[Wyovanian]

I think the pres and the BOT are going to have to ante up and spend some dough

They don't have any dough to spend...not to mention there's a whole line of needs at UW which outrank assistants for the football team.

It's time the BOT learns that Athletics are the front porch of a University. No doubt there are staff and alumni who believe direct investment in academics is priority number one, and to an extent it is, however, it's also time for them to recognize the reality of the ROI on positive brand-building and brand-image. Over the long term, investment in brand (and the brand starts with Athletics, primarily Football and Men's Basketball) will return as much, if not more than direct investment in academics.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Raymond makes about 300k and Pease just over that. We'd need to pony up 500-600k per assistant. I'm not necessarily advocating those exact 2 but am advocating those lineages.

I like Bohl, I do, but this far into it, I don't have a good feeling regarding establishing a coaching lineage of that makes sense. A situation where we just continue to hire and promote within. I think some top notch coordinators will take us farther faster than anything else we can do.

From a pro-style o perspective, I like how BSU approaches it. I'm also a fan of Chavis' approach to the 4-3.

 

[SnowyRange]

It's time the BOT learns that Athletics are the front porch of a University. No doubt there are staff and alumni who believe direct investment in academics is priority number one, and to an extent it is, however, it's also time for them to recognize the reality of the ROI on positive brand-building and brand-image. Over the long term, investment in brand (and the brand starts with Athletics, primarily Football and Men's Basketball) will return as much, if not more than direct investment in academics.

Not even close. The "front porch" of a university is its academic reputation and performance. That's what attracts good students and faculty, who attract more good faculty and students, etc.

Entertainment is nice, and entertainment gives some alums a nice way to connect with their old university, but it's the guest bedroom, not the front porch.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

It's time the BOT learns that Athletics are the front porch of a University. No doubt there are staff and alumni who believe direct investment in academics is priority number one, and to an extent it is, however, it's also time for them to recognize the reality of the ROI on positive brand-building and brand-image. Over the long term, investment in brand (and the brand starts with Athletics, primarily Football and Men's Basketball) will return as much, if not more than direct investment in academics.

Not even close. The "front porch" of a university is its academic reputation and performance. That's what attracts good students and faculty, who attract more good faculty and students, etc.

Entertainment is nice, and entertainment gives some alums a nice way to connect with their old university, but it's the guest bedroom, not the front porch.

Add in a few statements about how disadvantaged WYO is so expecting consistent excellence in football and men's bball is not realistic and I think you've summed WYO up nicely, sadly.

Meanwhile, places like UAB, who took the WYO mentality to where many would like to, even if they don't directly acknowledge it, figured out quickly how ridiculous that is.

I'm not sure if we can overcome the WYO mentality and achieve great things or not.

Honestly, we need fewer "WYO" guys and need some fresh vision...all the way around.

 

[SnowyRange]

Add in a few statements about how disadvantaged WYO is so expecting consistent excellence in football and men's bball is not realistic and I think you've summed WYO up nicely, sadly.

Well, if defining a university's excellence by its academics is a peculiarly Wyoming attitude....then I'm Wyoming to the core.

And proud of it.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Oh, I have no doubt that we have reached the maximum both athletically and academically under our current leadership.

Exactly why we are where we are and likely to remain.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Other schools have indeed understood the "Flutie Effect". Athletics are MOST CERTAINLY the front porch if they are good. The branding and advertising of good athletics can not be accomplished by any other method. Naturally, WYO folks reject his notion, as Snowy does, which is why we are where we are. Stuck on the State tit.

Here is some food for thought...

When a school rises from mediocre to great on the gridiron, applications increase by 18.7 percent. To attain similar effects, a school has to either lower tuition by 3.8 percent or increase the quality of its education by recruiting higher-quality faculty, who are paid 5 percent more than their average peers in the academic labor market.

Students with lower-than-average SAT scores tended to have a stronger preference for schools known for athletic success, while students with higher SAT scores preferred institutions with greater academic quality. Also, students with lower academic prowess valued the success of intercollegiate athletics for longer periods of time than the high SAT achievers.

Even students with high SAT scores are significantly affected by athletic success—one of the biggest surprises from the research, Chung says.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hbsworkingknowledge/2013/04/29/the-flutie-effect-how-athletic-success-boosts-college-applications/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Burman should have bit the bullet, scheduled some money games starting this year and for 2-3 additional years. Use that money exclusively for assistants and coordinators. I truly believe this why every coach in the modern era of football has failed at WYO. We have yet to pony up to get a top notch GROUP of coaches. As I said in the other thread, if Bohl is saddled with Vigen and Stanard, he will fail as well. If he moves on from them (which I hope) we have to give him the goods to get the best in here. IT CAN BE DONE and the time is now.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I predict that a NY6 Bowl and a Sweet 16 run coupled with our tuition rates would mean that UW absolutely dominates the Front Range in terms of student recruitment. I bet that we can't even imagine what the benefits of a sustained successful athletic program (specifically football and bball) would do for our University.

 

[Wyovanian]

It's time the BOT learns that Athletics are the front porch of a University. No doubt there are staff and alumni who believe direct investment in academics is priority number one, and to an extent it is, however, it's also time for them to recognize the reality of the ROI on positive brand-building and brand-image. Over the long term, investment in brand (and the brand starts with Athletics, primarily Football and Men's Basketball) will return as much, if not more than direct investment in academics.

Not even close. The "front porch" of a university is its academic reputation and performance. That's what attracts good students and faculty, who attract more good faculty and students, etc.

Entertainment is nice, and entertainment gives some alums a nice way to connect with their old university, but it's the guest bedroom, not the front porch.

Not today. It's all about brand. Do you really think Boise's academics would have come this far without football? Do you really think UNLV would have a law school today if it wasn't for basketball?

Sorry, but that's Wyoming thirty-years-behind-the-times thinking you're practicing.

 

[Wyovanian]

Add in a few statements about how disadvantaged WYO is so expecting consistent excellence in football and men's bball is not realistic and I think you've summed WYO up nicely, sadly.

Well, if defining a university's excellence by its academics is a peculiarly Wyoming attitude....then I'm Wyoming to the core.

And proud of it.

Excellence doesn't happen in a vacuum and Wyoming doesn't exist in one.

Your philosophy will eventually relegate Wyoming to an academically lower tier.

 

[Wyokie]

It's time the BOT learns that Athletics are the front porch of a University. No doubt there are staff and alumni who believe direct investment in academics is priority number one, and to an extent it is, however, it's also time for them to recognize the reality of the ROI on positive brand-building and brand-image. Over the long term, investment in brand (and the brand starts with Athletics, primarily Football and Men's Basketball) will return as much, if not more than direct investment in academics.

Not even close. The "front porch" of a university is its academic reputation and performance. That's what attracts good students and faculty, who attract more good faculty and students, etc.

Entertainment is nice, and entertainment gives some alums a nice way to connect with their old university, but it's the guest bedroom, not the front porch.

Not today. It's all about brand. Do you really think Boise's academics would have come this far without football? Do you really think UNLV would have a law school today if it wasn't for basketball?

Sorry, but that's Wyoming thirty-years-behind-the-times thinking you're practicing.

Totally agree. The Flutie Effect does work. If Florida Gulf Coast never won a game in the 2013 NCAA Tournament, would anyone even knew there is a Florida Gulf Coast University? Or if Boise State never upset OU in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, would ESPN even give a shit about Boise...at all?

People want to attend universities where the athletics is good because people love winners not academics.

 

[nwpoke]

Which explains the long lines to get into the Ivy league schools.

 

[Wyovanian]

Which explains the long lines to get into the Ivy league schools.

Those are different animals in a different race. You're talking about the oldest institutions in the nation, some of which actually pre-date the nation. They came of age as academic institutions in another time, and it took them the better part of 200 years to do it.

How about these examples of schools that came of age in the Athletics era- USC, UCLA, Oregon, BYU* (urp), Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Wisconsin... Those are (or should be) our peer universities. Not Harvard, Yale, and Cornell.

 

[Wyokie]

Which explains the long lines to get into the Ivy league schools.

Those are different animals in a different race. You're talking about the oldest institutions in the nation, some of which actually pre-date the nation. They came of age as academic institutions in another time, and it took them the better part of 200 years to do it.

How about these examples of schools that came of age in the Athletics era- USC, UCLA, Oregon, BYU* (urp), Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Wisconsin... Those are (or should be) our peer universities. Not Harvard, Yale, and Cornell.

Precisely! :thumb: