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I agree that we shouldn't play teams above our level it's much better for home games to play teams like Weber and win and put about 20,000 cheeks in the seats than to play teams like Old Miss,Virginia, and Texas and sell out. And we shouldn't play teams of the talent level of Texas because it gets the fans and whole state excited and the team plays their asses of to the point of getting the other teams respect. We also shouldn't go on the road an play teams like Old Miss and Tennessee because we will probably loose !
 
-I agree with about 99.99999% of Wyoming fans that moving to FCS is completely cowardly and unacceptable.

-We have seen that we CAN compete with good teams. We have had some really good defenses (on an objective FBS perspective) for several years.

-If we had some semblance of an offense the past 3 years, things would have been much different. Yes we need to give DC time. But it is also fair for us to expect at least marginal results at the present time. That said, the coaches don't play the game, they don't drop the passes. Even with the little talent we have at WR, what we saw today should be well well below our expectations for this season.
 
Good post wyobrandon. Our expectations were too high too soon. We were dead last in the nation in offense last year, so this is going to take time. We brought in a new coaching staff with a new offensive system and a coach who was rated 2nd best offensive coordinator in the country. DC has worked his a$$ off from the day he got on the job, and I'm behind him 100%. I like the way he is going about turning this program around. New is not always better, but on offense there are about 5 different components - coaching, QB, RB, receivers, and OL. Coaching, QB, & RB are new for us this year. It's not like we are doing nothing to try to get better. Right now, the fans need to have patience and continued support.
 
Look, I am not suggesting that we drop down to FCS...YET!!! I'm just thinking that past result suggest that Wyoming would compete much better in, say the WAC. College football has turned into a game of the haves and have nots. The rich keep getting richer and the poor get poorer. I have read for years that Wyoming will get there, they just need more speed in the skill players or toughness in the trenches. We have known this for 10 years and have failed to produce. And getting our butts kicked like we have the last 2 weeks doesn't exactly help with our reputation--especially when it is on national tv! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result! Wyoming has been "trying" for 10 years and with every year it is the same product and same excuse. Yes we are just a few games removed from beating the Vols, but William and Mary just beat Virginia the other week and Richmond beat Duke. That doesn't mean that either of those teams "belong" in FBS. It just means that they got lucky during one game--just like Wyoming does from time to time. Like i said, a season is 12 games and Wyoming really doesn't show that they belong in the MWC. You're correct, neither does SDSU. That is why i wouldn't be sad if Wyoming goes back to the WAC. I firmly believe that Wyoming will have a better chance of rebuilding its reputation and national standing and in putting a competitive team on the field for a while season if thery are playing Utah St, NMSt, San Jose etc...every week insead of Utah, BYU and TCU...I just want Wyoming to compete and I'm tired of hearing they are almsot there--I want to be THERE!
 
If Wyo dropped to FCS I doubt we would even get 8K at the FB games anymore. I would not drive 800 miles a trip to watch a game with Idaho state, Whatever directional U, or Portland State. Plus joining the BIG Sky would be total death to the basketball program. What a stupid, stupid, stupid recommendation

Come on get real people

Those who expected an instant turnaround just aren't stopping to think it out and let their emotions get the best of them. This was a 3 year rebuilding process and it was obvious when we went in there was no O miracle any coach could do right away.
 
I've heard that for last 10 years..."this will take time, be patient, the team needs more bdays or more time, this won't happen overnight etc..." Well folks, I'm thinking it isn't going to happen! Look at Washington yesterday, they are only a few games removed from an winless season and they lost to WSU!!! And here they are, one season later--and they beat USC and almost take LSU. It can be done faster than 3 years!

And the comment about how bringining in teams like Texas is good for the program. I say--only from a standpoint of finance. Sure it's exciting and pumps up the fan base, but I wasn't that pumped about getting beat 41-10!!!! Our offense couldn't do anything all day--that isn't very exciting to me. I liken it to comparing a huge, well advertised big budget movie that is terrible and a unknown, low budget movie that was great. You are pumped waiting for it to start and when you get there it completely sucks but the other movie that didn't get all the hype turns out to be a much better movie and you enjoy yourself much more. For me, I would rather Wyoming play Utah St. or Nevada and actually compete and perhaps actually win--than watch them get destroyed! My beleif is simple--if you win, they will come!!! I'm sure 20+ thousand people would come watch Wyoming play just about any team if they were winning and put a good product on the field. Once Wyoming is established, then we can start playing Texas and Florida. But not now. We have to learn to walk before we can run etc...
 
WyomingProud said:
Look, I am not suggesting that we drop down to FCS...YET!!! I'm just thinking that past result suggest that Wyoming would compete much better in, say the WAC. College football has turned into a game of the haves and have nots. The rich keep getting richer and the poor get poorer. I have read for years that Wyoming will get there, they just need more speed in the skill players or toughness in the trenches. We have known this for 10 years and have failed to produce. And getting our butts kicked like we have the last 2 weeks doesn't exactly help with our reputation--especially when it is on national tv! The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result! Wyoming has been "trying" for 10 years and with every year it is the same product and same excuse. Yes we are just a few games removed from beating the Vols, but William and Mary just beat Virginia the other week and Richmond beat Duke. That doesn't mean that either of those teams "belong" in FBS. It just means that they got lucky during one game--just like Wyoming does from time to time. Like i said, a season is 12 games and Wyoming really doesn't show that they belong in the MWC. You're correct, neither does SDSU. That is why i wouldn't be sad if Wyoming goes back to the WAC. I firmly believe that Wyoming will have a better chance of rebuilding its reputation and national standing and in putting a competitive team on the field for a while season if thery are playing Utah St, NMSt, San Jose etc...every week insead of Utah, BYU and TCU...I just want Wyoming to compete and I'm tired of hearing they are almsot there--I want to be THERE!
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You think we're going to rebuild our reputation in the WAC??? Take away Boise St. and the WAC is halfway to FCS already. You're not going to build any reputation or respect beating New Mexico St., San Jose St. and Utah St. every week. Like previously said, if you're tired of losing and want to root for a perennial winner, or be THERE as you say, change teams. EVERY school goes through cycles of downturns. Some are worse than others, but it happens to EVERY school. Talking about wishing to "compete" with the likes of NM St. isn't going to help either.

You can't compare us with Washington either. Even though they were winless last season, they still have PAC-10 level talent. We don't even have talent yet. That will take time to rebuild, you can't simply coach talent.
 
A drop to the WAC would instantly cost the WYO Athletic Department $2 million a year in revenue. The WAC makes much less on their TV contract and the shared conference revenue is significantly lower. You really think we can catch back up by cutting our budgets that much? which sports do we cut? Do we cut coach's pay? Simply put it is a bad move.


I personally feel there is a move coming soon to BE, CUSA, MWC, PAC 10 ,and the WAC. The WAC may not survive as a FBS conference or be a shell of its former self. To voluntarily drop to the WAC would be a HUGE risk for the long term survival of WYO at the FBS level.

I have been through many of the good and bad years since the 70's when I first started following the Pokes. This is a deeper one than most of the troughs but to not stick it out is foolish. The key is to not hire another MOON PIE as an AD and to keep the $$ at close to the MWC middle as we can. I think we finally get that. No more Glenn's at a cheap salary
 
Wyo aint going nowhere. Let DC have a full recruiting class before you start bashing the talent. He is at least targeting great talent and from what I heard some very talented skill kids will take an official over here. Remember he had a real late start for this year too. Most skill kids have already narrowed down their top 5 by the beginning of their Sr. year. Which means they have been in contact with schools alot longer than when DC got the job in December. Getting the FL QB next year can be crucial to recruiting nationwide. DC will be a powerhouse on the recruiting scene very soon, and Coach Arroyo is young enough to relate to some high level talent. I for one am very excited.
 
I see what everyone is saying and to some extent I agree. I like being part of the MWC, as it has its own network and has been given some really good national publicity over the past few years. But when you don't fit you don't fit. Do I want Wyoming to win and compete? Sure do! But I am frustrated in the fact that I have heard all this explanation before and the result ended the same. To me, college football is not what it was 15 years ago. the gap between being good and being able to recruit well is much more difficult given the era of the BCS. I have no doubt that Wyoming can field a somewhat decent team every once in awhile staying the course. But I want better. I agree that the WAC is a step down. But what I am saying is perhaps that is exactly what Wyoming needs. Because all I see is other programs in the MWC save SDSU and UNLV growing and moving forward and Wyoming isn't doing that. Sure, financially we are, but what good does a nice stadium do if you are losing in it 41-10? I really hope you are right and that in 2-3 years we will se a better product. I just don't know if I can take anymore of this...
 
And I'm not sure we as fans are in any position to talk down to the WAC, given our last 10 years of very poor football...honestly, I don't think we would finish in the upper half of th WAC most years during this stretch. Sometimes I am amazed at our fans visions of grandeur. It reminds me of Notre Dame fans. Just because ND was once a football power, doesn't make them one now!!! There is a difference in wanting to be good (as I do) and thinking you are good. We are not a good football team. In fact, there are more than 100 FBS teams that are and have been better than us in the last 10 years. Admitting this does not make me a bad fan. I will always bleed brown and gold. Our current state of football troubles me and I want what is best for the team and program.
 
I'd like to make just one point: Do we ever win a recruiting battle with BYU or Utah or TCU, or even CSU? We get the leftovers. We get jc players or at best 2 star recruits. Every year, our recruiting class is near the very bottom for D1 schools. Yes, you can coach guys up, to a degree. But we have to have talent!

How many good African American athletes or athletes of any color are we going to get to come to Laramie over a bigger school. The UW student body is about the same as my college days of 82-86. Other schools have gotten much larger. Laramie as a town hasn't changed much. The weather is too lousy and the town is too small to recruit good talent. Our stadium is too small ( its the worst in the conference) and our fan base is too small. This is not an opinion. This is fact!

I'm much more optimistic about our basketball program. But we have a first class facility and we can draw as well as anyone in the conference when were good. Football requires sheer numbers and we don't have them.

So, I would agree that dropping into the wac or big sky would really hurt revenue and fan support. But when the other schools are recruiting better players than we ever will, can anyone really believe this is going to change? Does anyone think we can win a single conference game with the jc quarterback that DC brought in? It's nice to have hope but at some point, we should abandon football and put our resources into basketball. Hell, we can get 15,000 into the AA, which will be about the same number we get for the BYU football game this year. Guess what? No one cares anymore.
 
Our (DC's) recruiting class this past year was ranked in the top half of the MWC and that was with DC getting a late start and without a full staff. Let's see what his recruiting class is this year with a full year and a full staff to work with.
 
WyomingProud said:
I see what everyone is saying and to some extent I agree. I like being part of the MWC, as it has its own network and has been given some really good national publicity over the past few years. But when you don't fit you don't fit. Do I want Wyoming to win and compete? Sure do! But I am frustrated in the fact that I have heard all this explanation before and the result ended the same. To me, college football is not what it was 15 years ago. the gap between being good and being able to recruit well is much more difficult given the era of the BCS. I have no doubt that Wyoming can field a somewhat decent team every once in awhile staying the course. But I want better. I agree that the WAC is a step down. But what I am saying is perhaps that is exactly what Wyoming needs. Because all I see is other programs in the MWC save SDSU and UNLV growing and moving forward and Wyoming isn't doing that. Sure, financially we are, but what good does a nice stadium do if you are losing in it 41-10? I really hope you are right and that in 2-3 years we will se a better product. I just don't know if I can take anymore of this...

And I'm not sure we as fans are in any position to talk down to the WAC, given our last 10 years of very poor football...honestly, I don't think we would finish in the upper half of th WAC most years during this stretch. Sometimes I am amazed at our fans visions of grandeur. It reminds me of Notre Dame fans. Just because ND was once a football power, doesn't make them one now!!! There is a difference in wanting to be good (as I do) and thinking you are good. We are not a good football team. In fact, there are more than 100 FBS teams that are and have been better than us in the last 10 years. Admitting this does not make me a bad fan. I will always bleed brown and gold. Our current state of football troubles me and I want what is best for the team and program.
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No one here has grandeur visions of how good we are. We all know what situation the football team is in right now and how bad it is, either you're willing to stick it out or you are not. It sounds like you are not. Perhaps you are the one who had such grandeur visions of the program, because you are so easily discouraged and disappointed...
Wyoming doesn't fit with the MWC??? hmmmm what about all those 80-100 year old rivalries we have there... does that not count for anything? I'm sure you're going to come back and say, well that doesn't matter because we haven't been competitive for 10 years. Well it does matter. Why would we leave to go to a conference where we have no tradition or rivalry.

You want better for our program, but agree the WAC or FCS is a step down...those two statements contradict themselves. According to your logic, I'm sure all of Washington's fans wanted to drop out of the PAC-10 because they have been losing for the past 7 years, were sick of it and would rather just play in the WAC because it made them feel good about themselves. They thought college football has changed too much in the past 10 years and all their tradition and rivalries in the PAC-10 didn't count for anything, USC had simply gotten too big and good. They should just give up hope and forget their history because of the past 10 years. I'm making a general comparison here, please don't come back with well look the hung with LSU and beat USC, why aren't we doing that? They have a lot more resources than we do, the comparison is still similar, albeit at a different level.
 
bladerunner and Wyomingproud... if the football program is so hopeless then just leave and stop caring and posting on Wyoming football fan boards. I'd rather not hear it. I guess Washington should drop out of the PAC-10 because they will never recruit with USC and A&M should leave the Big-12 because Texas and OU have been too good for the past 10 years, I could go on and on... but if you're so hopeless then just stop being fans.
 
Some numbers for you:

44-0
45-16
24-0
40-7
54-7
41-10
24-0

These are just a sample of Wyoming's defeats in just the last year!!! And considering there are plenty more scores that resemble these that I can pull from over the last few years, I don't think I am easily dissapointed. Look, I know Wyoming moving to another conference isn't going to happen. I'm am simply pointing out that Wyoming has shown to be the traditional bottom feeder of the MWC. We are the team that schools pencil in as a win and try and schedule us for Homecoming! That is just a fact. I don't like it anymore than you do and if I could snap my fingers and right this program I would. I see the team for what it is--not very good. And these rivalries have become fairly one-sided:

Since 1999 our record against our rivals:

CSU- 2-8
BYU- 2-8
Utah- 2-8
AF- 4-6

That's 10-30 or 25%. Numbers do not lie.
 
calpoke:

My point is that I think Wyoming will be more competitive in the WAC than in the MWC. I say this becuase i think teams in the WAC more closely resemble the talant level that Wyoming can put on the field every year. Is it a step down? You bet.! Do I think that Wyoming can and would be more competative in the WAC? Yes sir! But I don't think in is contradicting. For me, winning is the number one goal. I don't care if it's against CSU or Nevada or Montana. Just win baby!!! I would rather see Wyoming win against San Jose St and Nevada than lose against BYU or Utah. If Wyoming can win in the MWC than I am full speed ahead. I just look at the history and look at the present and don't see us winning much at this point. Hopefully, the future looks brighter!!!
 
Yes and according to your logic fans of Washington, Texas A&M, Colorado, Kansas St., Syracuse, Minnesota, Washington St. etc. should all start giving up hope of ever competing again in their conferences and start talking about dropping conferences because they have been blown off the field the past 10 years by the USC's, Texas', Oklahoma's and Ohio St.'s, Utah/BYU in our case and other good teams in their conferences so they would be more competitive.
 
Good thing Oregon State did not listen to people with your advice. Corvallis is a Small town - remote ( no airport) can't recruit to it, crappy weather, will never compete in the PAC 10. Had sucked for years. Yet now they often finish in the top 3 in the PAC 10 and have won two of the last three against USC.

All Wyo needs is the right coach period. Winning fixes recruiting problems. Kids will go where they can play and win. History shows the right coach can win in Laramie. IS DC the right coach? time will tell. You have to short a memory

Some of you are beaten before you even begin. Dropping to a lower conference will begin a downward spiral we will never recover from as booster $$ and fan interest will fall. I don't follow the FCS much since I don't much care about that level nor do I want to play those teams more than one a year. Opponent is important to me and I think that is true of many WYO fans. To throw away 100 years of competing against CSU and toss in the towel would be criminal.
 
Silliest post ever. Corvalis is just 40 miles from Eugene. The weather is great. The town is small but it's only an hour from Portland. What a moronic comparison!
 
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