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seattlecowboy
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marcuswyo said:
Yeah alcohol is more damaging to the body if you are drinking all the time.
Smoking something into your lungs is worse for basketball though. I could care less what is illegal or not. I am more coming from the fact that if you want to smoke weed into your lungs so you are not in good shape then you have no business on the basketball team. To me you are basically just wasting your time on the team if you don't want to be the best you can be then get the hell off the team. I have no tolerance for it.
kdwrightuwyo
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Weed is illegal, and as long as you're 21, beer is not.
johnywyo
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As a former coach and current dad, this is a disturbing trend. Shyatt is responsible for building character on and off the court, and when these kids hit the hardwood they are attempting to be the best ball players they can. Doesn't mean I'm trumping individual "rights" to believe that these kids are on scholarship and have a responsibility to the program and community at large. Shyatt has exactly one winning season in MWC play since his coming back to Wyo, if these are the types of kids he's depending on becoming competitive with then we are in serious shit. Coach Shyatt will be hard pressed to avoid confronting some difficult question on this deal, it will be very interesting to see how he responds to these kids and their actions in the next several weeks. Obviously, the "no further comment" won't stand for long, not with this publicity. I'm particularly anxious to see what develops, hoping this is a good learning experience and this team responds with class and humility.
ragtimejoe1
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Weed safer than alcohol or as safe? Meh, never liked that statement, and, frankly, it is wrong. First, low levels of alcohol are well demonstrated to have health benefits. Everything is bad depending on amount consumed.
Secondly, data regarding long-term use and abuse of marijuana is not nearly as "robust" as data evaluating alcohol abuse. Now that marijuana is more mainstream, the epidemiological data sets will grow and the true health effects will be realized...good or bad.
It is unknown if weed is safer or better for you than alcohol. I can say without a doubt, it is not safer or better for you than small amounts of alcohol because small amounts of alcohol are clearly shown to be healthy or at worst no effect. Off topic I know, but one of my pet peeves.
Secondly, data regarding long-term use and abuse of marijuana is not nearly as "robust" as data evaluating alcohol abuse. Now that marijuana is more mainstream, the epidemiological data sets will grow and the true health effects will be realized...good or bad.
It is unknown if weed is safer or better for you than alcohol. I can say without a doubt, it is not safer or better for you than small amounts of alcohol because small amounts of alcohol are clearly shown to be healthy or at worst no effect. Off topic I know, but one of my pet peeves.
TSpoke
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Time to move on. What happened happened. The players were punished by the team and will be punished by the courts. Hope they all return next year and have learned a valuable lesson. No need to keep harping on it in my mind.
On thing in the article makes it sound like they just admitted to the cops what they did without being busted with anything.(NOt sure if that's how it really went down but that's the way the article made it sound) Not smart boys. Know your rights.
On thing in the article makes it sound like they just admitted to the cops what they did without being busted with anything.(NOt sure if that's how it really went down but that's the way the article made it sound) Not smart boys. Know your rights.
laxwyo
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ragtimejoe1 said:
The fact that a small amount of alcohol is beneficial is in no way even remotely relevant to this argument. I've never heard of a 40 yr old dying because he smoked weed every day. I have seen plenty of people drink themselves to death by 45. Funny how you can spot people around town who's liver are failing. Even the ONE kid that died because he jumped out a window after consuming an edible pales in comparison the the devastating effects of long term alcohol use and secondary deaths/injuries caused from fighting, falling and crashing
HiCountryCowboy
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JimmyDimes said:
Are you living in a hole? If nothing else, there is a shit ton of dirtbags that are making themselves unable to get a job, take care of themselves, and/or contribute...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26216037/legal-pot-blamed-some-influx-homeless-this-summer
http://www.denverpost.com/editorials/ci_28477731/finding-fix-denvers-16th-street-mall
Then you've got people smoking and driving...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29322609/colorado-still-not-sure-whether-legal-marijuana-made
Kids are getting edibles that are packaged like candy and loaded wTHC...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...sees-surge-kids-accidentally-eating-marijuana
Oh yea, it's all good!
JimmyDimes
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Give me a break. First off, that article about the influx of kids who accidentally ate an edible is 8. I'm sure you can find more than 8 who got into their parents liquor cabinet or prescription drugs. And I work just one block from the 16th street mall and that place has always been a freak show. And a place you didn't want to be late in the evening. Way before legalization. And to be honest....you'd have to search to hear much about people driving high. You don't have to search much to see all the alcohol relate hit and run that happen daily around here.HiCountryCowboy said:JimmyDimes said:
Are you living in a hole? If nothing else, there is a shit ton of dirtbags that are making themselves unable to get a job, take care of themselves, and/or contribute...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26216037/legal-pot-blamed-some-influx-homeless-this-summer
http://www.denverpost.com/editorials/ci_28477731/finding-fix-denvers-16th-street-mall
Then you've got people smoking and driving...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29322609/colorado-still-not-sure-whether-legal-marijuana-made
Kids are getting edibles that are packaged like candy and loaded wTHC...
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_2...sees-surge-kids-accidentally-eating-marijuana
Oh yea, it's all good!
I'm far from a pot advocate, but Colorado alone has raked in millions in tax revenue. And, the overall crime rate has gone down over 10%....closer to 15% since legalization.
And lazy people are going to be lazy people. Don't blame pot on someone who doesn't want to get a job. Blame laziness. But you can credit the pot industry with bringing thousands of jobs to the Colorado economy.
Interesting discussion. Here's my 2 cents. My apologies in advance, my cell phone is marginally compatible with participating on this board.
Not only that, it's either really late, or way too early.
The initial report on the impact of pot legalization in Colorado is in. Crime is up, including DUI pot, trips to the ER are up for pot related reasons, and pot use among minors is up. I don't know who performed the studies or collected the data, but those are some of the conclusions. You should be able to Google it - I don't have a link. Assuming legalization tracks the Netherlands experience, the numbers should spike and then fall.
In terms of which is worse, hmmmm. We can all agree that abuse, as compared to use is bad. And I suspect that low level use of pot has more negative impacts on the body than booze. I've read the gov's report on pot as a dangerous drug - it's a crock with plenty of conclusions unsupported by the facts cited. Meanwhile, much of my career was in the trenches in the courtroom. Booze was far more involved than pot. Not even close. Ruined lives, ruined families...not that pot is not present, but the role of pot is far less. Possibly because booze is more socially acceptable, I don't know.
Disclaimer: I drink, especially while watching the pokes. Even more when watching piss poor play. It's been a long year. I favor individual choice, as long as the user takes care of his or her own shit, the government, and the rest of us ought to shut up. That leaves lots of room, no? I know plenty of folks who exercise their choice, and they are self-supporting intelligent folks. I know folks who should not use controlled substances yet they do.
Party on. Responsibly.
Not only that, it's either really late, or way too early.
The initial report on the impact of pot legalization in Colorado is in. Crime is up, including DUI pot, trips to the ER are up for pot related reasons, and pot use among minors is up. I don't know who performed the studies or collected the data, but those are some of the conclusions. You should be able to Google it - I don't have a link. Assuming legalization tracks the Netherlands experience, the numbers should spike and then fall.
In terms of which is worse, hmmmm. We can all agree that abuse, as compared to use is bad. And I suspect that low level use of pot has more negative impacts on the body than booze. I've read the gov's report on pot as a dangerous drug - it's a crock with plenty of conclusions unsupported by the facts cited. Meanwhile, much of my career was in the trenches in the courtroom. Booze was far more involved than pot. Not even close. Ruined lives, ruined families...not that pot is not present, but the role of pot is far less. Possibly because booze is more socially acceptable, I don't know.
Disclaimer: I drink, especially while watching the pokes. Even more when watching piss poor play. It's been a long year. I favor individual choice, as long as the user takes care of his or her own shit, the government, and the rest of us ought to shut up. That leaves lots of room, no? I know plenty of folks who exercise their choice, and they are self-supporting intelligent folks. I know folks who should not use controlled substances yet they do.
Party on. Responsibly.
ragtimejoe1
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laxwyo said:
Why not? It is a solid fact that moderate alcohol consumption either has positive health effects or at worst no health effects. Thus, marijuana use is not safer than alcohol. Is light marijuana use safer than alcohol abuse? Perhaps, but I haven't seen concrete data on it. My guess would be that it is safer than alcohol abuse. Is marijuana "abuse" worse than moderate alcohol? Yes. Is marijuana "abuse" worse than alcohol "abuse"? TBD.
Back to my original point though, everything is bad if abused. Using the same logic that marijuana is safer than alcohol would lead one to conclude that marijuana is safer than food. After all, obesity is probably the largest health issue facing the modern world. So, it must be much safer to smoke marijuana than eat, right?
laxwyo said:
lol. Now that is scientific. Like I said, as marijuana becomes more mainstream, so too will the health effects...good or bad. Marijuana use is already being linked to psychosis, respiratory disease, and cardiovascular disease. It remains to be seen how significant or how big of impact marijuana use has on those health issues. It is quite possible that it has minimal to no effect. It is also quite possible that it has a very underappreciated role in causing those diseases but, before, these diseases were not correlated to long-term abuse of marijuana because the long-term abuse wasn't documented.
It remains complete nonsense to simply state that marijuana is safer than alcohol.
LanderPoke
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Word is that Dalton was growing/nurturing a weed plant in his apt. smh
LanderPoke
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Yes, actually.wyokoke said:
If our experience is similar to other countries, our rate of pot usage will spike and then settle down. I really don't expect there to be any great surge in useage. Thre won't be any significant impact from "mainstreaming". Pot is already well in use. What hopefully will improve is the science measuring pot's impacts. That batch of science really should be developed.
Let me be more explicit from my earlier post. I've spent years working with dysfunctional families and individuals. This includes UA's, random and regular. While not collected into a cohesive study, booze was far more prevalent than pot, and by qualitative assessment was far more involved in the dysfunction I worked in. While pot likely has impacts similar to tobacco, booze was far more detrimental to us at a community level. Fatalities, assaults, abuse...booze, as a rule, not pot
Meanwhile, I remain dubious of studies linking pot to psychosis - correlation is not causation. Not to mention statistical insignifi ance.I am interested in tracking the impact of all drugs, including alcohol, on the development of fetuses. There are certainly really awful relationships there, FAS/FAE anyone? And yet prohibition did not work then or now.
I used to be fairly libertarian with regard to drugs. With the impact of meth, I have no problem with keeping it illegal. However, I am not interested in criminalizing over-eating, or other things we/I do to excess.and I am tired of the more puritanical approaches we have toward things slightly better or worse than booze.
Reasonable folks can differ as to whether our high 5 have suffered enough or whether they're a blight on UW...I say, let's get them back on the court and see them play next year. Time to move on.
Let me be more explicit from my earlier post. I've spent years working with dysfunctional families and individuals. This includes UA's, random and regular. While not collected into a cohesive study, booze was far more prevalent than pot, and by qualitative assessment was far more involved in the dysfunction I worked in. While pot likely has impacts similar to tobacco, booze was far more detrimental to us at a community level. Fatalities, assaults, abuse...booze, as a rule, not pot
Meanwhile, I remain dubious of studies linking pot to psychosis - correlation is not causation. Not to mention statistical insignifi ance.I am interested in tracking the impact of all drugs, including alcohol, on the development of fetuses. There are certainly really awful relationships there, FAS/FAE anyone? And yet prohibition did not work then or now.
I used to be fairly libertarian with regard to drugs. With the impact of meth, I have no problem with keeping it illegal. However, I am not interested in criminalizing over-eating, or other things we/I do to excess.and I am tired of the more puritanical approaches we have toward things slightly better or worse than booze.
Reasonable folks can differ as to whether our high 5 have suffered enough or whether they're a blight on UW...I say, let's get them back on the court and see them play next year. Time to move on.
Cosmic Cowboy
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Can Marshall improve enough in the off season so that the high 5 can actually run out as a unit next season??????
I'm just saying....I want 2 see it!!!!!!!
I'm just saying....I want 2 see it!!!!!!!
It seems that these five have been charged, but not convicted. Is it possible that the five, or some of them, get off? And the ones that are convicted, will they definitely lose their scholarships? Shyatt appears to have dismissed them based on the charge. Maybe he is waiting to see about convictions.
LanderPoke
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I don't think any have been or will be dismissed.Adv8RU12 said:
