Cosmic Cowboy
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Please all stoners on campus go out to support this unit live in the AA if it happens. It's your Pokes civic duty to do so. Brown n gold style too, don't slouch on your gear when your rollin in the arena.DVDA said:
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laxwyo
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ragtimejoe1 said:
The fact that you said "when marijuana becomes mainstream" tells me you know nothing about it. Marijuana is the number one cash crop in the US. And if you don't believe me, you can consult the Harvard economist.
And you've really thrown out some scientific data out there so it's rich you'd laugh at my comment. You're one of those people so it's useless discussing this any further. And if you must know, I've only smoked about five times my whole life.
ragtimejoe1
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Mainstream in terms of reporting. How many people admit to their doctor that they smoke or use an illegal substance unless they have to? How many readily admit that they drink alcohol? See the difference? Maybe some came in with cardiovascular disease and never admitted to using so, without testing everyone that link was never made. As it becomes more mainstream, those links might become more apparent. Similar to the studies out of Europe. One I can think of off the top of my head evaluated 50k+ men and, when controlling for as many variables as they could, men who used marijuana long-term had an increased rate of early mortality.
Alcohol use does not = alcohol abuse. Using logic that something is safer than alcohol abuse, so it is okay is a bad message. I'm not taking a position on legalities or if it should be legalized. I'm just pointing out that saying it is safer than moderate alcohol consumption, which is by far the most common use of alcohol, is nothing short of asnine. Comparing light marijuana use to any abuse, food, alcohol, salt, whatever, then of course it is safer. I don't agree with the logic, but I understand why those with an agenda prefer that comparison rather than an apples to apples comparison.
Regardless, marijuana is not safer than alcohol when alcohol is consumed in quantities that the vast majority of american consume. Abuse is a seperate topic.
Alcohol use does not = alcohol abuse. Using logic that something is safer than alcohol abuse, so it is okay is a bad message. I'm not taking a position on legalities or if it should be legalized. I'm just pointing out that saying it is safer than moderate alcohol consumption, which is by far the most common use of alcohol, is nothing short of asnine. Comparing light marijuana use to any abuse, food, alcohol, salt, whatever, then of course it is safer. I don't agree with the logic, but I understand why those with an agenda prefer that comparison rather than an apples to apples comparison.
Regardless, marijuana is not safer than alcohol when alcohol is consumed in quantities that the vast majority of american consume. Abuse is a seperate topic.
Dare I say there is under reporting with booze use too. My doc tells me that more than 4 drinks at a sitting is abuse. I under report.
I might also say that mere use of pot is not abuse either. I would agree we need more research as to what threshold of pot use creates the harms you mention.
Do you have a link for the study you mention? I'd like to read it, as I have some questions.
How many of the 50K you mentioned smoke tobacco? Do other drugs? Do they breathe coal smoke?Are predisposed? How much did they smoke? Did they smoke joints the way some smoke cigarrettes? Common sense says there's a link. Common sense suggests there's a link between alcohol and liver damage. I agree we should learn more about pot's impacts, good and bad, but the nature of your post implies that mere pot use equates with bad results. And that I'm not buying. At least not yet.
I might also say that mere use of pot is not abuse either. I would agree we need more research as to what threshold of pot use creates the harms you mention.
Do you have a link for the study you mention? I'd like to read it, as I have some questions.
How many of the 50K you mentioned smoke tobacco? Do other drugs? Do they breathe coal smoke?Are predisposed? How much did they smoke? Did they smoke joints the way some smoke cigarrettes? Common sense says there's a link. Common sense suggests there's a link between alcohol and liver damage. I agree we should learn more about pot's impacts, good and bad, but the nature of your post implies that mere pot use equates with bad results. And that I'm not buying. At least not yet.
Cosmic Cowboy
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I think vaporizers are changing the games in terms of healthy consumption of pot. There are no new future technologies coming into the way we consume alcohol that I know of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporizer_(inhalation_device)
That's a wiki page but you can catch the drift. I have one. It's like sucking down amazing tasting weed air and you can't even feel it hit your chest. When you get lighter fluids/smoke out of the equation it gets whole lot better for you. Vape highs are different from combustion highs too. You can get a lot more done, go about my business, and all positive mental aspects still fully in play. It's becoming a real trend out here and I'm guessing in a lot of places. Like all things in this society though it's expensive for the best gear that helps you the most.
I have problems with depression and some other stuff. I know marijuana has helped me with that. I might think alcohol could for that euphoric period when it begins but the next day it magnifies my depression on a body with more depleted nutrients. I can even have trouble with lower levels of alcohol when I'm in bad stages of depression. What I find when I vape in those stages is that it brings me out of cyclical thoughts that may hammer on my depression, the right strains break me into new mental spaces. I think about other aspects of life. It's dope alright!
To keep going. Humans need stress relief? It's a must! We just lead stressful ass lives. So what happens when I can't get laid for long periods? If I'm not the type to workout? If I can't get to nature? If my hobbies don't cut it? If I need a quick stress fix? Do I eat for this? Do I drink for this? Do I smoke for this? Shouldn't I have more choices in how I get to unwind? How come alcohol is so forced upon us for this? How come if I'm depressed I can take the drugs they say but not try others? Oh that's right because some very powerful rich people in control are fighting to make it that way so they can just stay rich off of their products. Got it, thanks :thumb: Thanks for giving a shit about my health and feelings...oh that's right you don't. You care about money.
That's a wiki page but you can catch the drift. I have one. It's like sucking down amazing tasting weed air and you can't even feel it hit your chest. When you get lighter fluids/smoke out of the equation it gets whole lot better for you. Vape highs are different from combustion highs too. You can get a lot more done, go about my business, and all positive mental aspects still fully in play. It's becoming a real trend out here and I'm guessing in a lot of places. Like all things in this society though it's expensive for the best gear that helps you the most.
I have problems with depression and some other stuff. I know marijuana has helped me with that. I might think alcohol could for that euphoric period when it begins but the next day it magnifies my depression on a body with more depleted nutrients. I can even have trouble with lower levels of alcohol when I'm in bad stages of depression. What I find when I vape in those stages is that it brings me out of cyclical thoughts that may hammer on my depression, the right strains break me into new mental spaces. I think about other aspects of life. It's dope alright!
To keep going. Humans need stress relief? It's a must! We just lead stressful ass lives. So what happens when I can't get laid for long periods? If I'm not the type to workout? If I can't get to nature? If my hobbies don't cut it? If I need a quick stress fix? Do I eat for this? Do I drink for this? Do I smoke for this? Shouldn't I have more choices in how I get to unwind? How come alcohol is so forced upon us for this? How come if I'm depressed I can take the drugs they say but not try others? Oh that's right because some very powerful rich people in control are fighting to make it that way so they can just stay rich off of their products. Got it, thanks :thumb: Thanks for giving a shit about my health and feelings...oh that's right you don't. You care about money.
laxwyo
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Cosmic Cowboy said:
Right now, pharmaceutical companies are trying to develop synthetic weed. Why let people Medicate with something they can grow when we can force them to go to the legal pusher (Doctor) and make them pay the inflated prices from the corporate kingpins. This is the whole reason weed is illegal and might stay illegal. Our politicians will continue to get greased until the people stand up.
Cosmic Cowboy
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laxwyo said:
I can't even believe that weed isn't already legal. Isn't it really like one of our last problems as a human society??? Yet anything tied to money in this world becomes a problem because it effects other people's money. The major corporations are already moving in on this as an opportunity too. They have massive pot fields ready to go so I can get my McDonalds weed, but your right they are trying to not let me grow my own. They never give a shit about social anything, they give a shit about dollars. The new Cali legalize weed bill is full of bullshit corruption the last I heard. 60 some pages that you have to read (how many voters get that time??) where it limits the kind of people that can start a business or grow their own. 60 pages of rules/laws but when I vote it'll just say one line about should we legalize cannabis? I fucking hate how gross our political system is man, I really do. Just a bunch of rich ass hypocrites that don't give a flying fuck about anything except their own pocket books. Your right we are gonna have to fight for our freedoms every goddamn step and then fight some more to secure them.
ragtimejoe1
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laxwyo said:
Wait, because doctors don't prescribe alcohol, it is more dangerous than marijuana? Hell, chemotherapy must be roses. I wonder why we don't use that every day?
ragtimejoe1
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nwpoke said:
Most likely but not near to the level of marijuana. Also, over the past 25+ years, funding for alcohol related health issues has been more than for marijuana. As marijuana becomes more main stream, I suspect that will change. Again, I'm only pointing out that marijuana is not safer than moderate-light alcohol use.
nwpoke said:
I'm not indicating that light or moderate pot use equates to bad results; I'm indicating that there needs to be more information. I'm also indicating that pot is not safer than alcohol (light-to moderate use), and that notion is nothing short of asinine. I'm also indicating that heavy marijuana use is most certainly detrimental to health. Marijuana use in adolescence appears to be even worse regardless of amount, but, again, more work is needed.
Like all epidemiological studies, other variables are controlled (or at least attempted to) by the statistical model. Here are several studies including the one you questioned:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/00952990.2014.963233
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00952990.2014.943371
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmra1402309
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.1506/full
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002914913019760
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10552-013-0259-0
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/cpd/2014/00000020/00000025/art00014
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.1506/full
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/add.13042/full
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0025619613010021
My apologies if there are duplicates; just quickly copied from a file I have.
castlerocker
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Mr. Cosmic, you can't be serious.
I think you need to detox and see what it's like living without chemical pollution of the brain.
Cosmic Cowboy
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castlerocker said:
Well that's easy to say. Can you say the same yourself? How many years have you gone without a drink? That shit ain't easy. That'll do some chem pollution to your brain. Lots of other drugs out there too that can have a lot of ill mental effects man. Some they prescribe to us. I've seen a lot of people flipped out on legal pills. Seen a lot of people commit suicide on that kind of shit with mental health issues or have horrible black out events because they mix it with alcohol. What the hell is some of the air pollution around me doing to my brain? If you live in LA its like smoking a pack just walking around on bad days. I'd say that's chemical pollution too. I mean we can keep going? There's a lot of ways to chemically pollute our brains. How long has anyone gone without doing it realistically? Where can all these roads lead with our own individual body chemistries? Lots of legal chem pollution man. I can go cold sober too. I know how, I've done it for years straight.
Ragtime, I appreciate your clarification, and the studies. Your last post has a fair amount I can agree with. As we learn more, the trade offs for recreational use and health effects will be clearer. At lower levels pretty clear booze and pot have bene's, and consequences; trying to compare the two now is tough work.
Can't say I like kids partying much. Where I live it seems we rely too much on criminal law to control kids - I don't care for that approach much either.
I look forward to reading the studies - thanks for the links.
Can't say I like kids partying much. Where I live it seems we rely too much on criminal law to control kids - I don't care for that approach much either.
I look forward to reading the studies - thanks for the links.
Thanks for the interesting reading. It seems the science is a long way from studying the impacts of low levels of pot use. Nonetheless, these studies are a start. If I can figure out how to link from my phone I'll post a link to the recently released report from Washington state re impacts of legalization, although it is less than a stellar scientific report. Apparently the authors went to the Bush school of fuzzy math.
I don't see these studies inform us much as to the comparison of low levels of pot and booze use.juvvie use issues are a problem.
Meanwhile, I hope the high 5 and the rest of the team, including shyatt are already prepping for a damn good year next year. Are any of the Lithuanian hoops grateful dead tshirts still around? These guys need to perform.
I don't see these studies inform us much as to the comparison of low levels of pot and booze use.juvvie use issues are a problem.
Meanwhile, I hope the high 5 and the rest of the team, including shyatt are already prepping for a damn good year next year. Are any of the Lithuanian hoops grateful dead tshirts still around? These guys need to perform.
Cowboy Junky
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Pot is the least harmful drug(including alcohol). That's reality. I spent 28 years trying to make alcohol work. I was a mean, rude, embarrassing, violent douchebag a lot of time when I was drunk.
If I smoke pot I get hungry. My girlfriend actually thinks I'm nicer then I am when I'm sober. I don't get violent. I don't say mean things to people. I don't pick fights. I don't get DUI's. I don't black-out. I don't miss work because I'm still drunk in the morning when I wake up. I don't do embarrassing shit I can't remember and am ashamed about later.
That doesn't change the fact that the team shouldn't be breaking the law. It doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't be stupid enough to get caught by the mighty law enforcement group known as Laramie Police.
Still, I would rather my kids smoke pot than drink. That's from 30 years of personal experience.
If I smoke pot I get hungry. My girlfriend actually thinks I'm nicer then I am when I'm sober. I don't get violent. I don't say mean things to people. I don't pick fights. I don't get DUI's. I don't black-out. I don't miss work because I'm still drunk in the morning when I wake up. I don't do embarrassing shit I can't remember and am ashamed about later.
That doesn't change the fact that the team shouldn't be breaking the law. It doesn't change the fact that they shouldn't be stupid enough to get caught by the mighty law enforcement group known as Laramie Police.
Still, I would rather my kids smoke pot than drink. That's from 30 years of personal experience.
Cowboy Junky
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Adv8RU12 said:
Agreed. It's probably not best for the basketball team. That wasn't my point. In fact, I said that I think they shouldn't break the law.
I'm just chiming in on the pot debate since many people hypocritically turn up their noses at pot, while pounding down alcohol and then beating the crap out of their wife/kids.
If the high 5 come back next year with their scholarships intact do you think Hankerson will be a bit ticked off? I know he is a good kid and has moved on but I would bet deep down when he pays his monthly student loan payment to pay down his debt he would think about it. Haha That will be my last comment on this thread.
