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Cowboys to host New Mexico, let's sellout the AA!
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kansasCowboy
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Cuttslam said:
So when we do become "BeaverPoke" relevant. 25+ wins a year, multiple sweet 16 appearances, maybe an nit here and there. We can constantly sellout at 10,000! And then tell our kids and grandkids about what it used to be like with 15,218 for BYU or 16,045 for Utah! And how it will never be that way again.
Or how we sellout for football at 29,000. And I'll tell my kid how awesome it was to be apart of sellouts like CSU in 97 (34,745), and how even when they bring in these damn temporary seats it still can't hit 30,000...
Small time minds.
We'd rather "look" fuller than work to "be" fuller.
calpoke25
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kansasCowboy said:
Actually the trend in college athletics for the most part is downsizing and making the fan experience in person more enjoyable. Also, let's face reality, it's been over 10 years since more than 10K showed up for a Wyoming men's bball game. Our coach has a top 25 team right now and is openly frustrated with attendance. The days of simply, win and they will come are over. There is no future to be waiting on with Wyoming basketball. THIS is the year and yet we have yet to come remotely close to selling out our reduced capacity.
In the greater scheme of things no one cares whether you have 11K or 16K at a basketball game and in the greater scheme of things no one gives a F whether wyomings football capacity is 34K or 29K. The only thing that matters in the grand scheme of things is our W - L record. Go ahead and tell your kids about 16K for Utah and BYU. #1 they won't have any notion as to who those schools are anymore and #2, no one cares, not even your grandkids, if 11K or 16K show up for a basketball game 30 years later. We don't look back at games and discount them because x number of people more or less were there, we remember games based on what happened in them.
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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calpoke25 said:
This x100000...
BeaverPoke
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kansasCowboy said:
Love the term "BeaverPoke relevant".
joshvanklomp
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I guess those guys over at Duke University are just small-time minds too with their small gym.
kansasCowboy
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calpoke25 said:
Well, I'll still say if you win, attendance rises to the point of sellouts whether in an arena 10,000 or 15,000. In the early 2ks we were on our way, till our team fell apart.
You want an example, I'll give you one in our own conf.
SDSU...
When Fisher arrived the program had many years of mediocrity and then fell into a few years of a Heath Schroyer-isk type era.
Fishers first year they were abysmal: 5-23, and their avg attend showed it. In Veijas 12,414 they brought in 2,618
Year 2: 14-14, avg 4,528
Year 3: 21-12, avg 6,165
Year 4: 16-14, avg 7,172
Year 5: 14-16, avg 6,701
Year 6: 11-18, avg 5,903
Year 7: 24-9 (what would be "their year"), avg 7,014
Year 8: 22-11, avg 7,821
Year 9: 20-13, avg 6,760
Year10: 26-10, avg 7,023
Year11: 25-9, avg 7,227
Year12: 34-3, avg 11,668
Year13: 26-8, avg 12,096
Year14: 23-11, avg 12,414 (14 years, first sellout avg)
Year15: 31-5, avg 12,414 (sellouts continue)
This year currently sold out every game!
WYO from 94-2002: similar, we had year after year of mediocrity and then began to build.
94 : 13-15, avg 8,370
95 : 14-15, avg 7,176
96 : 12-16, avg 5,368
97 : 19-9 , avg 7,084
98 : 18-10, avg 6,703
99 : 19-12, avg 7,012
00 : 20-10, avg 9,085
01 : 22-9 , avg 10,026
02 : 21-11, avg 10,108
Don't you think if we had continued along the path of success, maybe, just maybe our average attend would've continued to increase to the point of constant sellouts? Our highest year was 87 at well over 13,000 avg. I'm sure we could've surpassed that.
What about now? Let's start at 03. We fall from our winning ways and go back into mediocrity and fall even further with Schroyer, and we are now beginning to rebuild. 3 years in to a turnaround that has been stunted each year:
03 : 11-17, avg 8,201
04 : 15-13, avg 7,467
05 : 14-18, avg 5,672
06 : 17-15, avg 6,069
07 : 12-18, avg 5,262
08 : 19-14, avg 5,326
09 : 10-21, avg 4,885
10 : 10-21, avg 4,346
11 : 21-12, avg 4,955
12 : 20-14, avg 5,615
13 : 18-15, avg 5,151
14 : 16-3 , avg (going up!)
It took Steve Fisher and SDSU 11 years and five straight 20+ win seasons to get their avg attendance up past 10,000.
In the early 2ks it took us four decent seasons to get us back to 10,000 avg. Had Shyatts recruits not graduated and we had a coach who could get the same caliber of players, we could've continued to win, and our avg increased. But it didn't.
We then went through 4 years of mediocrity followed by four years of shear retarded coaching and our avg attend dropping to its lowest avg ever, two years in a row for us to gain traction again.
And surely but, sadly, slowly we have. And our avg has increased and if we continue to have success, which i believe Shyatt is every bit as good as Fisher, so I believe we will, our avg attend will increase as well.
Shyatt is currently at the same stage Fisher was from 01-07 ( you can view their records above)
He is in building mode. Once he hits sustained mode (SDSU 08-present) our attendance will skyrocket.
But for most of you, why wait for that? Let's just lose the seats we don't "currently" use so we WONT have them when we can use them.
Like I said, small mindedness, we fix the problem by "renovating" to smaller cap so we can have an amazing arena that hold significantly less. Let's appear more full by shrinking, instead of sustaining a winning tradition by going after quality coaches, to begin with, which would be utilizing those seats that you don't want us to keep.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Schroyer was a band aide hire. He was questionable at best in his career. McClain was a JUCO coach... That is not fixing the problem, our ADs didn't want to payout for a quality coach, this is what we got.
If you can prove me wrong with these numbers and info I've bestowed upon you, give it your best shot.
Oh, by the way, people do give a F about attendance at games. You ask someone what the biggest attended game they went to was, I they have never forgotten it. Especially when it was our record attendance for a game. People on here reminisce about the WYO- CSU football game on here (34,745), WYO- Utah reg season champ game 16k, and the WYO- Wisc women's Nit champ game. It is remembered. Just like 32,218 for BYU back in the day. Or 32k for Utep for the WAC champ.bNumbers matter, and they will will matter if you remember them or not.
Numbers matter to you too. Yup, you care about the lack of attendance and want to see all that wasted space go away. Either side of the arguement, numbers do and will matter.
Yes, I do think the AA needed work done to it... But to lose 5,000 seats? That's a bit much. That right there takes out the equivalent of SJSU's Civic Center cap... That my friend is down right disgusting.
SnowyRange
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Your post was a lot of work, so, thanks. And there's no arguing that winning leads to attendance.
But, no, there's nothing "smallminded" about doing a fantastic renovation to improve the fan and player and coaching experience, while still being big enough to comfortably seat our highest-ever average yearly attendance.
In fact, it's quite the opposite.
i don't mind the renovations, and them taking about 3500 seats from the original 15,000, down to 11,612, but during big games the season ticket holders need to step up and fill that lower bowl. Tomorrow's supposed to be a wonderful weather day, the game's not on regular tv, there should not be any excuses. Get to the AA
Fans if you are true Wyoming basketball fan get here!!!!
Fans if you are true Wyoming basketball fan get here!!!!
calpoke25
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Actually no Kansascowboy, I don't think we would ever, ever consistently sell out the AA, even if we were "Beaverpoke" successful. Maybe in 1988 we would have, but not in 2015. For reasons that have hashed over a million times on this board, to make it short: In 2015, when most Wyoming fans can enjoy the game from the comfort of their own home, rather than driving 90 miles minimum (round trip from Cheyenne) in January at night on Wyoming roads, well we just aren't ever going to sell out or even come close to it. The only games were selling out from here on out will be games like this Saturday against New Mexico, when we are good, have a legitimate opponent, and the weather forecast looks good. We are never going to sell out Wednesday night games. We are good RIGHT NOW yet have not come close to a sell out and our coach is openly frustrated with attendence.
SDSU has a top 10 US population base within 20 miles of their gym and their fans don't have to worry about driving on I80 in January.
People on this board reminisce about the 97 football game against CSU where we had 34K? I've never seen one person reminisce about that game on here, perhaps you could point that out to me? You know why people don't reminice about that game? Because we LOST that game. I was there. All that matters is W-L. I think people on here remember the 2010 game much more fondly and often than the 1997 game because we BEAT CSU 44-0 even though there was probably only 19K at that game.
Let's say Wyoming makes a run here to finish conference season and our last home game is to clinch the MW regular season title and we sell out 11K and win. Do I give a flying fuck whether 16K or 11K were there? I don't. Will I tell my grandkids about the great disappointment of winning the MW title in front of 11K instead of 16K? No, I'll be telling them about how cool it was to see Wyoming win a MW title again.
SDSU has a top 10 US population base within 20 miles of their gym and their fans don't have to worry about driving on I80 in January.
People on this board reminisce about the 97 football game against CSU where we had 34K? I've never seen one person reminisce about that game on here, perhaps you could point that out to me? You know why people don't reminice about that game? Because we LOST that game. I was there. All that matters is W-L. I think people on here remember the 2010 game much more fondly and often than the 1997 game because we BEAT CSU 44-0 even though there was probably only 19K at that game.
Let's say Wyoming makes a run here to finish conference season and our last home game is to clinch the MW regular season title and we sell out 11K and win. Do I give a flying fuck whether 16K or 11K were there? I don't. Will I tell my grandkids about the great disappointment of winning the MW title in front of 11K instead of 16K? No, I'll be telling them about how cool it was to see Wyoming win a MW title again.
ItSucksToBeACSURam
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I get so tired of hearing this BS. We have stepped up. Were the ones committing a large chunk of money to the university. I understand that the flashy things like Maury Brown Court come from donors but the season ticket holders are the ones keeping the lights on. Just because some of them buy and don't attend every game doesn't mean they haven't done their part. Get off that. Maybe if more of the single game buyers would step up and buy season tickets and donate the arena would be fuller too. It goes both waysstymeman said:
wyocowboy2014
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ItSucksToBeACSURam said:
I agree they are stepping up, but I understand the desire to fill the lower bowl. I think if season ticket holders start utilizing the exchange program more for games that they will not be able to attend, this will sole the issue.
whyoh
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I have a question about the exchange program.......
If a STH turns in their seat do they get a full or partial refund? Can they do it over the phone or does it have to be done online? How well is the word spread about the program? How many STHs know they can even do this?
If a STH turns in their seat do they get a full or partial refund? Can they do it over the phone or does it have to be done online? How well is the word spread about the program? How many STHs know they can even do this?
