Get ready. I’ve heard plenty - and from folks in Legislative leadership. This year is not a budget session so I don’t expect a lot of actual cuts. I do expect them to move away from the block grant and in 2026, look out.
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Burman Letter
- Thread starter OrediggerPoke
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As I said, outside of a few fans. You all are diehards, which I appreciate.
bladerunnr
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In reality, track is 6 sports. Cross country for men and women is 2. If you drop track, then cross country would also be dropped. No runner would attend a school for just cross country. Cross country travel is minimal. No facilities are required. Track does involve facilities and more scholarships due to throws and jumping events. But the track team travels out of the state just a handful of times. Most meets are at schools along the front range where air travel is not required.
Frankly, if the school is going to pinch pennies this hard, then hanging onto D1 status is going to be a real challenge. If we drop track, I wouldn't ever give another dime to UW athletics.
ragtimejoe1
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We need the split(s) to happen sooner than later. I say splits because you never know how this shakes out. Maybe big 2 split then big12, acc and pac form something then rest of us form something. Who knows exactly how it will look; that's another debate.
Either way, when the split does happen in whatever form, I wonder if all this revenue share and other economic stuff will even matter at our level?
Either way, when the split does happen in whatever form, I wonder if all this revenue share and other economic stuff will even matter at our level?
OrediggerPoke
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They get texts from their DC freedom caucus ooverlords telling them how to vote. They don’t need to think or know anything.
OrediggerPoke
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It’s a brand new legislature starting January. Have your popcorn ready. As LawPoke indicates, 2026 budget session will be quite shocking to most rational people.
My sympathies. Several friends of mine who were in the Legislature have told me that things have gotten absolutely nutty I should note they are mostly old school conservatives who warn that we are in for some very difficult years.
And UW is squarely in their crosshairs.
To give the tax breaks that they want to give, they will be looking for budget reductions everywhere. When they reduce property taxes (which will mostly benefit the rich guys in Jackson on a straight dollar for dollar basis, but I digress), they will have to backfill local services and, depending on what the Supreme Court does on school funding, they will likely have some more work to do to fully fund education per the Constitution. Schools and local governments are the beneficiaries of property taxes - not state coffers. While the new Legislature is salivating to cut taxes and spending, they can appreciate that not backfilling local governments will mean reduced core services in things like road maintenance, EMS, primary health care, senior services, sewer and water service, snow removal, fire departments, curb and gutter replacement/maintenance, recreational services and the like (especially where cities, towns and counties have not been able to pass mill levees for districts to support them). Lost or diminished services will net them a very short time in Cheyenne if they don't backfill with state funds. They know that. They also know that other spending is likely to be significantly elevated, including the Emergency (wild) Fire Suppression Account, Highway funding, Medicaid, etc.
So, free cash is going to be at a premium...and UW is a prime target. I've said before on this board that UW should've started preparing for this eventually long ago and weaned itself from the state block grant...but that would require innovation, excellence, and an Entreprenurial mindset (all which are in very short supply in Old Main and the athletics complex). By 2026, UW and D1 sports will be in the proverbial soup. I'd venture a guess that Tom's letter, while certainly tied to the Settlement, NIL, and the like, was just as much or more about pending state budget cuts than anything else.
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ragtimejoe1
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Weren't you the one telling me state and student money was insignificant to athletics and athletics made money?
OrediggerPoke
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Still making
up that no one ever said. Football operates in the black, no other sport does (basketball in a minor few good years). You are, however, free to return to your daily RagTime ‘I make up and tell everyone how right I am and wrong they were for things no one said’ show.ragtimejoe1
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So, football makes money with no state or student input?Still making
OrediggerPoke
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I’m literally not going to rehash the entire thread and spreadsheet you were provided, discussion on student seats, etc.
Maybe you can go find a few ‘flat earthers’ that you may find more appealing.
ragtimejoe1
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Just trying to get a scope of the chicken little narrative here.
If you're correct, football stands on it's own and can contribute to other sports with profits.
That leaves the rest of the sports where some will have to be cut because the state will no longer fund athletics. Is that the prediction?
ragtimejoe1
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So if I understand your previous claim, football makes about 3 mill. There's another column non-program specific that makes 2.6 mill.
If what you said before that these are profits without state or students, then they cover the losses of the other programs + about 1.7 mill extra.
Are you saying the other sports have state and student revenue sources that will male them lose more money? If so, how much? Will the 1.7 mill profit cover your projected legislature losses?
So schools are cutting wrestling each year. Hence, Wyoming is in the Big 12 due to lack of programs.
Guess I don't see the cheap argument based on the drop in programs offering the sport.
ragtimejoe1
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Sec said they're sticking with 85 scholarships. I wonder if mwc will or go to 105?
LanderPoke
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105 is too many. Only so many kids can play. 105 is insane
LanderPoke
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What sport, if any, is ‘growing’ at the ncaa level?
laxwyo
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It’s probably because you all don’t see that most of it is a gigantic money pit of waste and corruption. Only dummies think more money means better education. We’rere talking about sports anyway. We don’t heed nor should we have tennis, track etc and other worthless sports no one cares about.
in all fairness, old school conservatives fucking suck. Is this the Bush/Cheney warmongers or the Barrassso/McConnell warmongers who who steal from the taxpayers to launder money through Ukraine back to their buddies in DC? They think it’s nutty? Good. They’ve never been correct on anything.
ragtimejoe1
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Whenever there is a change of political power, nearly 100% of the losing side will predict the end of the world.
I know the state funds athletics at a pretty high rate relative to peers. How about per student? How much state funding goes to UW divided by the number of students and how does that compare to peer universities?
How much state funding is used in beurocratic salaries vs faculty or service salaries? I'm sure there are lots of questions that can be addressed.
I find it funny that the very people worried about cuts are opposed to NIL and "using their money to pay a bunch of 18 year old" yet decided taxpayers who , through their vote; are wrong for not wanting to fund the same system now with revenue sharing.
I'll be anxious to see if the chicken little predictions are accurate or just typical sensatiionalistic knee-jerk reactions to an election that didn't go the way they think it should have.
I know the state funds athletics at a pretty high rate relative to peers. How about per student? How much state funding goes to UW divided by the number of students and how does that compare to peer universities?
How much state funding is used in beurocratic salaries vs faculty or service salaries? I'm sure there are lots of questions that can be addressed.
I find it funny that the very people worried about cuts are opposed to NIL and "using their money to pay a bunch of 18 year old" yet decided taxpayers who , through their vote; are wrong for not wanting to fund the same system now with revenue sharing.
I'll be anxious to see if the chicken little predictions are accurate or just typical sensatiionalistic knee-jerk reactions to an election that didn't go the way they think it should have.
