Wyoming @ Nebraska - GTS

[stymeman]

then my question is why does Neb and all "bigger" school schedule cream puffs year in and year out, sure we need the $$ but if you guys are so far superior play each out outright then we'll truly know who's best year in and year out, that's why i can't wait for the bigger guys to have their own playoff, league, afterall NCAA is turning into the Minor Leagues for the NFL anymore

Well in the case of Nebraska scheduling Wyoming the answer is a little bit different. It's a three-game series, with two of them at home (the next in 2017 I believe), and the third being a bit of a good-will gesture to the fans in western Nebraska.

The simple answer to why everyone schedules cream puffs is money - guaranteed home games that rake in the dollars. Also, everyone does it because everyone is doing it.

what if,and it's a big what if, the smaller schools denied the bucks and said no we don't want to play you anymore, that'll change the NCAA somewhat, unless they started with a 2 for 1 schedule, I'm sure Neb didn't really want to come to Laramie in the long run but needed some games to pad their stats b4 their conference sked starts...never happen but what if...$$$ that's why I say it's Minor League of the NFL anymore

 

[Landlordos7]

2 years ago Martinez couldn't even complete simple passes. They would be short, behind, or completely off. I watched him fail as a passing QB against a less than stellar defense. And if our players had had more experience, they would have made Nebraska pay for the multiple fumbles their offense had. As it was though, we started a ton of true freshmen the first few years of Coach DC being here.

1. Isn't 1/3 of your entire starting lineup making their first D1 starts this Saturday?

2. Taylor Martinez as a freshman (3 years ago) against the #14th ranked team in the nation -
23/35 (65.7%) for 323 yards - 5 TD - 0 INT

Taylor Martinez as a sophomore (2 years ago) against Ohio State and Northwestern -
16/22 (72.7%) for 191 yards - 2 TD - 0 INT
28/37 (75.7%) for 289 yards - 2 TD - 0 INT

 

[trouble]

And Martinez will likely fumble a couple times and throw a couple picks while Smith throws for 300 yards 3 TDs and no picks and you will think Martinez is better than Smith. Remember, when that happens, don't forget that the Wyo defense sucks, and the Nebraska defense is a lot better.

I think this...right here..is absolutely delusional. Comical even.

Taylor didn't even throw a pick or fumble against Wyoming two years ago, as I have stated multiple times, the vast majority or Taylors mistakes and fumbles have come against top competition, when he is trying to make a play when NU needed it. He isn't going to just drop the ball when he sees Wyomings DLine getting pancaked by NUs OLine.

2 years ago Martinez couldn't even complete simple passes. They would be short, behind, or completely off. I watched him fail as a passing QB against a less than stellar defense. And if our players had had more experience, they would have made Nebraska pay for the multiple fumbles their offense had. As it was though, we started a ton of true freshmen the first few years of Coach DC being here.

Nebraska fumbled twice in that game, once by Martinez which we recovered and once by Abdullah. Martinez completed 57% of the passes that game with 1 TD and 0 INTs. Not quite how you recalled it huh? I do recall a lot of craptacular passes though.

Lastly, if you are comparing Martinez from two years ago, to the Martinez and offense this year... :rofl:

 

[Slow Hand]

"Yes. Christensen has made it very clear their intention is to red shirt Thompson. If Smith stays healthy all season, why in the world would they bring Thompson in? They want Thompson to start for 2 years, not just 1".

Jason is not happy here and tried to leave after last year. DC would not let him out of his obligation so he stayed. He would have had to sit out a year otherwise. DC also told him he wasn't good enough to play in the PAC. DC is really high on Tommy Thorton (#13 a frosh). Plus they are bringing in Ford from Gillette next year who is a great prospect as well. So the dilemma is .......who does he play WHEN Brett gets a concussion? notice I didn't say "if!"

Lol, so you can see into the future? You think Smith is for sure getting another concussion? Remember he didn't get a concussion because he is small and weak, he got a concussion because of an incredibly dirty hit that would have gave anyone a concussion.
If Smith goes out then yes Thompson plays. If not, then Thompson is red shirting.
Thompson didn't want to leave because he doesn't like it here, he left because he wasn't going to get any playing time for a couple years. DC never told him he wasn't good enough to play in the Pac12.
DC is great at getting QBs to Laramie, that shouldn't be a surprise. Look at ACS, starting in the SEC, Foles @ SJSU who had the #3 passer rating in the country last season. The kid who came the same season Smith did but wasn't going to get playing time so he left, was one of the top dual threat QB recruits in the country that season. And now Smith, and Thompson.
Yeah we have Ford coming next year, but what if Cade Smith comes too the next season? Then what happens to Ford and Thorton?
Thompson is going to redshirt if Smith stays healthy. And he likely will.
Bottom line is that DC gets great QBs, and t[/quote]

LOL I have first hand knowledge of the conversation between DC and Jason last year. He most certainly did want to leave and go play in the PAC after his first year in WYO. I am not arguing that he isn't good enough. Good Lord he, on days, is the best we have. I simply am saying DC can't afford to red shirt him and he knows it. The conversation takes place everyday in the football offices! I promise you the decision has NOT been made yet! Lets just leave it at that. ;-)

 

[stymeman]

then my question is why does Neb and all "bigger" school schedule cream puffs year in and year out, sure we need the $$ but if you guys are so far superior play each out outright then we'll truly know who's best year in and year out, that's why i can't wait for the bigger guys to have their own playoff, league, afterall NCAA is turning into the Minor Leagues for the NFL anymore

That's a good point, and I think down the road Division I is going to look very different than it does today. I don't think we're going to have one top division with 120+ teams. The kind of money the top 60 schools can put into their athletic departments is very, very different, and the disparity is just growing.

I don't think that's a good thing for college football. It is not going to change, though.

That's why I love the parity in College basketball, that tournament works!!!!!!!!!

 

[Slow Hand]

"Yes. Christensen has made it very clear their intention is to red shirt Thompson. If Smith stays healthy all season, why in the world would they bring Thompson in? They want Thompson to start for 2 years, not just 1".


Jason is not happy here and tried to leave after last year. DC would not let him out of his obligation so he stayed. He would have had to sit out a year otherwise. DC also told him he wasn't good enough to play in the PAC. DC is really high on Tommy Thorton (#13 a frosh). Plus they are bringing in Ford from Gillette next year who is a great prospect as well. So the dilemma is .......who does he play WHEN Brett gets a concussion? notice I didn't say "if!"

Do you know the entire story SlowHand? Do you know Jason, just like every other freshman, athlete or not, got homesick. He's happy to be in Laramie and will be a two year starter...if Ford isn't incredible. And BS on DC not letting him out of his commitment. His teammates were his biggest influence.

I'm not buying DC told him this crap either. He came to Wyoming to play quarterback. He was offered a scholarship to a PAC10 school (Washington) to play safety. He is good enough to play in the PAC and that was proven with the offer.

We'll see if Brett gets another concussion. If we does, we now have a capable backup.

Yes, I do know the whole story....more than you can even imagine.

 

[fromolwyoming]

1. Isn't 1/3 of your entire starting lineup making their first D1 starts this Saturday?

Only a handful are true freshmen. The rest redshirted, return from last year, or are JUCO. There's a BIG difference between starting a 18 year old freshmen out of highschool and a 20 year old from JUCO with college experience or a 19-20 year old redshirt who has had a year to learn the system and level of play.

2. Taylor Martinez as a freshman (3 years ago) against the #14th ranked team in the nation -
23/35 (65.7%) for 323 yards - 5 TD - 0 INT

From a Nebraska website-
Martinez, T. 12-21-0 157yds 1TD 44 (long) 1 (sacks)
http://www.huskermax.com/games/2011/files/04wyoming_gamestats11.html#GAME.IND" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hardly a "great" QB by any standards. Especially against a crap-tacular defense like what we've had over the last several years.

Taylor Martinez as a sophomore (2 years ago) against Ohio State and Northwestern -
16/22 (72.7%) for 191 yards - 2 TD - 0 INT
28/37 (75.7%) for 289 yards - 2 TD - 0 INT

You do know I was talking about the Wyoming vs husker game, right? Not one game where he barely passed over 20 times and another against one of the most inconsistent defenses in the NCAA.

 

[Landlordos7]

You do know I was talking about the Wyoming vs husker game, right? Not one game where he barely passed over 20 times and another against one of the most inconsistent defenses in the NCAA.

I didn't, actually. I do now Regardless, he's had good games and bad games throughout a long career, and two years ago was two years ago. We'll see what passes he's capable of Saturday. For your sake I hope he's regressed.

 

[trouble]

1. Isn't 1/3 of your entire starting lineup making their first D1 starts this Saturday?

Only a handful are true freshmen. The rest redshirted, return from last year, or are JUCO. There's a BIG difference between starting a 18 year old freshmen out of highschool and a 20 year old from JUCO with college experience or a 19-20 year old redshirt who has had a year to learn the system and level of play.

2. Taylor Martinez as a freshman (3 years ago) against the #14th ranked team in the nation -
23/35 (65.7%) for 323 yards - 5 TD - 0 INT

From a Nebraska website-
Martinez, T. 12-21-0 157yds 1TD 44 (long) 1 (sacks)
http://www.huskermax.com/games/2011/files/04wyoming_gamestats11.html#GAME.IND" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hardly a "great" QB by any standards. Especially against a crap-tacular defense like what we've had over the last several years.

Taylor Martinez as a sophomore (2 years ago) against Ohio State and Northwestern -
16/22 (72.7%) for 191 yards - 2 TD - 0 INT
28/37 (75.7%) for 289 yards - 2 TD - 0 INT

You do know I was talking about the Wyoming vs husker game, right? Not one game where he barely passed over 20 times and another against one of the most inconsistent defenses in the NCAA.

Yes, we are talking about the 100th+ ranked defense of Wyoming. Lets go over some stats from last year for slightly better defenses for Martinez.
DATE OPP CMP ATT YDS CMP%LNG TD INT
9/1 Southern Miss W 49-20 26 34 354 76.5 36 5 0
9/8 @UCLA L 36-30 17 31 179 54.8 36 0 1
9/15 Arkansas State W 42-13 13 14 180 92.9 42 2 0
9/29 Wisconsin W 30-27 17 29 181 58.6 27 2 0
10/6 @Ohio State L 63-38 15 25 214 60.0 74 1 3
10/20@Northwestern W 29-28 27 39 342 69.2 37 3 0
10/27 Michigan W 23-9 14 24 166 58.3 32 1 1
11/3 @Michigan StateW 28-24 16 36 160 44.4 38 2 3
11/10 Penn State W 32-23 12 20 171 60.0 56 1 0
11/17 Minnesota W 38-14 21 29 308 72.4 36 2 0
11/23 @Iowa W 13-7 8 14 63 57.1 19 0 0
12/1 @Wisconsin L 70-31 17 33 184 51.5 32 0 2
1/1 Georgia L 45-31 16 27 204 59.3 56 2 2

All of those defenses were statistically better than Wyoming last year. Notice what happens when he plays the "lower tier" defenses? Look for more of that on Saturday.

 

[Blackshirts13]

How many Wyoming fans in this thread will be MIA come Saturday evening/Sunday morning? I'm guessing quite a bit. Hell....Brett Smith may be the better QB than Martinez, who knows. It's hard to tell with Wyoming facing off again a very easy schedule and NU facing a far more difficult demanding schedule. The fact of the matter is...take away the QB spot and Wyoming just doesn't match up anywhere else on the field. We will most certainly when in the trenchces and that's what matters most.

 

[trouble]

How many Wyoming fans in this thread will be MIA come Saturday evening/Sunday morning? I'm guessing quite a bit. Hell....Brett Smith may be the better QB than Martinez, who knows. It's hard to tell with Wyoming facing off again a very easy schedule and NU facing a far more difficult demanding schedule. The fact of the matter is...take away the QB spot and Wyoming just doesn't match up anywhere else on the field. We will most certainly when in the trenchces and that's what matters most.

I will say this as far as match ups go, than little Herron fellow might be able to slip between coverages a few times.

Fast slot guys are dangerous as all get up.

 

[fromolwyoming]

How many Wyoming fans in this thread will be MIA come Saturday evening/Sunday morning? I'm guessing quite a bit. Hell....Brett Smith may be the better QB than Martinez, who knows. It's hard to tell with Wyoming facing off again a very easy schedule and NU facing a far more difficult demanding schedule. The fact of the matter is...take away the QB spot and Wyoming just doesn't match up anywhere else on the field. We will most certainly when in the trenchces and that's what matters most.

I don't know, Herron has a tendancy to out run DBs...

And '"when" in the trenches'? Come on. I'm willing to overlook most spelling and grammar mistakes on the internet, but you replaced a 3 letter word for a 4 letter word that makes NO sense grammatically. This part is not about Nebraska vs Wyoming or anything like that, its about really lazy and bad grammar/spelling.

You just failed English class, and classes have only just started. Shame on you. Shame. On. You.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Wyo's WRs certainly match up with Nebraskas.

 

[trouble]

Wyo's WRs certainly match up with Nebraskas.

The only one I can without a doubt agree on is Herron in my opinion, he will be damn exciting once he gets to the NFL. Nebraska pass defense will once again be top notch this year and have a ton of talent there.

 

[T-Magic3]

Wyo's WRs certainly match up with Nebraskas.

Lol is all I have to say. We have the best WR core in the Big Ten. Get your head out of christiansens A#%.

 

[McPeachy]

This thread has gone full retard.

We have the Thompson (UW Fan's only) pissing match, going on in the middle of a Brett vs. Taylor pissing match, followed up by a receiver pissing match, defense pissing match, then mixed in with Wisconsin & Cal Poly. Jesus...how embarrassing. For both fan-bases.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Wyo's WRs certainly match up with Nebraskas.

Lol is all I have to say. We have the best WR core in the Big Ten. Get your head out of christiansens A#%.

What is all this 'we' talk? Didn't you say you go to school @UW?

 

[Blackshirts13]

Wyo's WRs certainly match up with Nebraskas.

Nebraska's secondary compared to Wyoming's WR? Or Nebraska's WR compared to Wyoming WR's? Either way...I disagree on both. Herron looks like a solid player, but Nebraska's secondary is very deep and has faced much better wide receiver units. Really the only unit up for debate is the QB position.....everywhere else Wyoming just doesn't match up talent wise.

 

[Cornpoke]

While I won't knock martinez's athleticism. He is like a Tebow Jr. finding ways to win with his ability. However his throwing motion might be the worst I have ever seen. It makes Tebow's look good.

 

[trouble]

However his throwing motion might be the worst I have ever seen. It makes Tebow's look good.

Two years ago, Id completely agree. His throwing motion now, while still not great, is much much improved since then.