WYO @ UNLV

[Cuttslam]

This was a great moral victory.

No such thing. You win or you lose. None of this everyone gets an orange slice bullshit. Winners are winners and losers are losers no matter how many juice boxes they get at the end. So damn tired of this apathetic, good enough bullshit. We should NOT be happy with tonight. It should piss everyone off. We have not one impressive win this year. NOT ONE.

No shit sherlock

Apparently there was sarcasm missed along the way. Sorry. I am quite worked up and missed it. Doesn't change the validity of my comment though....

You are forgiving

 

[NowherePoke]

If Nance's groin is fine, SDSU is losing their first conference game on Tuesday.

This team is SO close. So frustrating.

Life of a Wyoming fan. If we aren't sucking atrociously (speaking of which, Heath Bar is looking a little rough nowadays), we are losing in the heartbreaking fashion.

Plenty of missed opportunities (Adams missed two layups in the last 10 minutes or so), but I do respect the effort and execution of this team.

While I know it is a mantra for Wyoming fans, this is one time that I actually believe the following: Wait till next year. This will be a veteran, well coached team. Need to find another body down low and probably someone off the bench to play the wing, but this group will learn from all of these heartbreaking losses.

Pretty sure I heard this last year.....

Wouldn't have been from me. You can go back and check, but I predicted the Pokes would be a mid-pack MWC type team probably in the CBI. However, it has been shaping up to be solid in 14-15 the way the roster has coalesced. Hankerson and Cooke have not come along quite as well as I had hoped and that has limited my enthusiasm slightly for next year, but Adams, Grabau, and Nance have progressed more than I thought they would so that kind of balances it out.

If you are looking for pessimism, we can take Wyoming football. 3-9 or 4-8 next year.

 

[seattlecowboy]

Once again, EVERYBODY in the building knew Nance was going to get the last shot....what do they say about the definition of insanity?

Nance missing shots at the end of the game with it on the line is the only consistent thing about this damn team. It's getting old. Make a change, throw the defenders a curve, you know....."COACH"......what a weird concept.

Honestly I wouldn't bitch too much about the coaching we have. With the team we have the fact we are in every game is because of the coaching. Most coaches wouldn't even have this team in the game at the end of it like this coaching staff has. Yeah it sucks that we have lost every game this year closely but we also aren't getting blown out by anyone.

Who else in the country hasn't been blown out this year except for the top 10 teams in the country? Probably not many teams.

We could make a run in the MWC tourney.

All that matters is W/L of course. However, as a fan, I do feel there is value in being in every game. How many times during Schroyer's era or McClain's last few years did we just give up (the Utah game in the A-A was where I gave up on Steve McClain entirely)? That doesn't happen here and it is valuable. We also have won some close games (South Dakota in OT, Nevada at home, the BSU and AFA games on the road that we absolutely stole, very similar to tonight except for the finish, etc.). Overall, in the 50/50 games we are only getting about 40%. We are close. Not where we need to be, but close.

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This is my point as well. These games we are close in will help this team in the long run. Whether it is in the conference tournament this year or next years team. I believe this team will be battle tested by next year and make a run at the conference title. Sure it sucks we have been so close this year but the fact we aren't getting worked by anyone like we did during the Mclain or Schoyer years has something to say for it in my opinion.

 

[Cuttslam]

Why would you play for a tie when your best player is hurt. I don't get it.

 

[NowherePoke]

Why would you play for a tie when your best player is hurt. I don't get it.

Agreed. On the road, with Nance hurt, I play for the win trying to free up Grabau first, Granberry second, with Adams off the bounce as the last resort since he can elevate to get the shot off.

 

[fromolwyoming]

And another frustrating loss at the buzzer.

Couldn't get my PC to work right, so I had to go off of score trackers and what people were saying. But from the sounds of it, it was yet another last second loss.

But seriously, can we at least TRY a 3 pointer instead of passing it into Nance for a last second, off balance, fade away jump shot? At least try something else.

 

[Cuttslam]

And another frustrating loss at the buzzer.

Couldn't get my PC to work right, so I had to go off of score trackers and what people were saying. But from the sounds of it, it was yet another last second loss.

But seriously, can we at least TRY a 3 pointer instead of passing it into Nance for a last second, off balance, fade away jump shot? At least try something else.

I might try something else since it didn't work at Nevada, New Mexico and now UNLV.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I have a feeling if we went to Grabau for a 3 and he missed it, the posts on this board would be: "Why the fuck didn't we go to Nance?? He's our guy and Khem couldn't even stop him when he was hurting!!!??"

Random fact: Michael Jordan missed 26 game winning shot attempts, and he made 22.

 

[NowherePoke]

I have a feeling if we went to Grabau for a 3 and he missed it, the posts on this board would be: "Why the fuck didn't we go to Nance?? He's our guy and Khem couldn't even stop him when he was hurting!!!??"

Probably not, since Nance was hurt and didn't come through against UNR or UNM. It would be more like: "Why didn't we give the ball to Adams, he could get to the rim at will" or "Why wasn't Hankerson in the game, he hit big shots against BSU and UNM", etc."

Anyway, valid point. If it works, it is brilliant, if not, it was awful. My objections to this finish are the fact that they were going for the tie (on the road, with Nance hurting, I would rather go for the win) and that Nance was hurt. Regardless of what happened against UNR and UNM, I would take a healthy Nance in that position with the ball any day. Just didn't feel like he could move the way he wants to.

 

[alyssa]

I hate UNLV basketball!

 

[Wyo2dal]

Everyone is an armchair coach and knows better, Go coach a team if you know better.

2009 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (228)
2010 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (243)
2011 - 21-12 (6-8) RPI - (82)
2012 - 20-14 (4-12) RPI - (71)
2013 - 14-9 (5-5) RPI - (96) with 8 games to go.

If at the end of the season we are 15-16 (6-12) then you can bitch about this team not getting any better. Until then seriously STFU and enjoy the fact as a team we are getting better, Contrary to popular belief you don't turn a 10 win program around to contend for titles in 2 years.

Sure last year was rough we got really screwed going into conference play losing our #2 player on the roster but the simple fact is this team is better than it was a year ago and better than it was two years ago.

 

[NowherePoke]

Everyone is an armchair coach and knows better, Go coach a team if you know better.

2009 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (228)
2010 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (243)
2011 - 21-12 (6-8) RPI - (82)
2012 - 20-14 (4-12) RPI - (71)
2013 - 14-9 (5-5) RPI - (96) with 8 games to go.

If at the end of the season we are 15-16 (6-12) then you can bitch about this team not getting any better. Until then seriously STFU and enjoy the fact as a team we are getting better, Contrary to popular belief you don't turn around a 10 win program around to contend for titles in 2 years.

Sure last year was rough we got really screwed going into conference play losing our #2 player on the roster but the simple fact is this team is better than it was a year ago and better than it was two years ago.

I am not sure we are better than we were two years ago. However, that team started 3 seniors. This group only starts one. I feel very good about the chances that next year will be our best team since 02-03.

Would like to see this year's squad get at least to 10-8 in the MWC and find a way to win 20 overall and play in the CBI. Would be nice to keep the momentum of 20 win seasons and post-season play even if the accomplishments are modest. Finishing above .500 in MWC play for the first time in a decade would be nice.

Hold serve at home and they can do it. Pokes play 5 of their last 8 in the A-A.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Everyone is an armchair coach and knows better, Go coach a team if you know better.

2009 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (228)
2010 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (243)
2011 - 21-12 (6-8) RPI - (82)
2012 - 20-14 (4-12) RPI - (71)
2013 - 14-9 (5-5) RPI - (96) with 8 games to go.

If at the end of the season we are 15-16 (6-12) then you can bitch about this team not getting any better. Until then seriously STFU and enjoy the fact as a team we are getting better, Contrary to popular belief you don't turn a 10 win program around to contend for titles in 2 years.

Sure last year was rough we got really screwed going into conference play losing our #2 player on the roster but the simple fact is this team is better than it was a year ago and better than it was two years ago.

RPI improving means nothing if were not winning games.... Awesome we have a higher than normal RPI. We're still a shitty team. And why can't we be a contender now? CSU did it in one year.

 

[Wyo2dal]

Everyone is an armchair coach and knows better, Go coach a team if you know better.

2009 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (228)
2010 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (243)
2011 - 21-12 (6-8) RPI - (82)
2012 - 20-14 (4-12) RPI - (71)
2013 - 14-9 (5-5) RPI - (96) with 8 games to go.

If at the end of the season we are 15-16 (6-12) then you can bitch about this team not getting any better. Until then seriously STFU and enjoy the fact as a team we are getting better, Contrary to popular belief you don't turn a 10 win program around to contend for titles in 2 years.

Sure last year was rough we got really screwed going into conference play losing our #2 player on the roster but the simple fact is this team is better than it was a year ago and better than it was two years ago.

RPI improving means nothing if were not winning games.... Awesome we have a higher than normal RPI. We're still a shitty team. And why can't we be a contender now? CSU did it in one year.

With a full Senior squad, Where are they now? So let me get this straight, going from 3-13 in conference play and 10-21 overall to being just under 50% in conference and 20+ wins on the year isn't winning more games? Huh Not sure where you learned that math at.

you guys are insane, We could be undefeated and you would still find something to bitch about. I can't wait to have this same conversation in 8 months on the Football forum when people are pissed because we aren't conference champions.

 

[NowherePoke]

Everyone is an armchair coach and knows better, Go coach a team if you know better.

2009 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (228)
2010 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (243)
2011 - 21-12 (6-8) RPI - (82)
2012 - 20-14 (4-12) RPI - (71)
2013 - 14-9 (5-5) RPI - (96) with 8 games to go.

If at the end of the season we are 15-16 (6-12) then you can bitch about this team not getting any better. Until then seriously STFU and enjoy the fact as a team we are getting better, Contrary to popular belief you don't turn a 10 win program around to contend for titles in 2 years.

Sure last year was rough we got really screwed going into conference play losing our #2 player on the roster but the simple fact is this team is better than it was a year ago and better than it was two years ago.

RPI improving means nothing if were not winning games.... Awesome we have a higher than normal RPI. We're still a shitty team. And why can't we be a contender now? CSU did it in one year.

Shitty team? Mediocre maybe, but if the Men's BB team is "shitty", what do you think about the rest of UW's athletic teams?

That's weird to say about CSU since they are actually almost the perfect example of not doing it in one year:

Tim Miles:

Year 1: 7-25, 0-16
Year 2: 9-22, 4-12
Year 3: 16-16, 7-9 - CBI First Round
Year 4: 19-13, 9-7 - NIT First Round - Eikmeier, Green, Smith, and Hornung all Sophomores
Year 5: 20-12, 8-6 - NCAA First Round - Same group as Juniors

Larry Eustachy:

Year 1: 26-9, 11-5 - NCAA 2nd Round - Same group as seniors with the addition of Colton Iverson
Year 2: 14-10, 5-6


The path's have been divergent but it took Miles 5 years to get CSU to the NCAA tournament and frankly that team didn't deserve it. That was an RPI quirk. Most robust statistical rankings (KenPom, Sagarin, etc.) had that CSU team down around 75th-90th. It was the 6th year of the rebuild with 5 senior starters where they finally made noise. Plus, they still didn't win the conference although they were really good by any measure.

 

[BeaverPoke]

Don't forget Miles left CSU for a Big10 job, not because he got fired.
So saying Eustachy "turned CSU around" in 1 year is ridiculous.

 

[Wyovanian]

Everyone is an armchair coach and knows better, Go coach a team if you know better.

2009 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (228)
2010 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (243)
2011 - 21-12 (6-8) RPI - (82)
2012 - 20-14 (4-12) RPI - (71)
2013 - 14-9 (5-5) RPI - (96) with 8 games to go.

If at the end of the season we are 15-16 (6-12) then you can bitch about this team not getting any better. Until then seriously STFU and enjoy the fact as a team we are getting better, Contrary to popular belief you don't turn a 10 win program around to contend for titles in 2 years.

Sure last year was rough we got really screwed going into conference play losing our #2 player on the roster but the simple fact is this team is better than it was a year ago and better than it was two years ago.

RPI improving means nothing if were not winning games.... Awesome we have a higher than normal RPI. We're still a shitty team. And why can't we be a contender now? CSU did it in one year.

I think you should change your name to ItSucksToBeACSURam to ItSucksToBeACSURamAndAnIdiotAboutBasketballToo.

Jes' sayin'...

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Everyone is an armchair coach and knows better, Go coach a team if you know better.

2009 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (228)
2010 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (243)
2011 - 21-12 (6-8) RPI - (82)
2012 - 20-14 (4-12) RPI - (71)
2013 - 14-9 (5-5) RPI - (96) with 8 games to go.

If at the end of the season we are 15-16 (6-12) then you can bitch about this team not getting any better. Until then seriously STFU and enjoy the fact as a team we are getting better, Contrary to popular belief you don't turn a 10 win program around to contend for titles in 2 years.

Sure last year was rough we got really screwed going into conference play losing our #2 player on the roster but the simple fact is this team is better than it was a year ago and better than it was two years ago.

RPI improving means nothing if were not winning games.... Awesome we have a higher than normal RPI. We're still a shitty team. And why can't we be a contender now? CSU did it in one year.

With a full Senior squad, Where are they now? So let me get this straight, going from 3-13 in conference play and 10-21 overall to being just under 50% in conference and 20+ wins on the year isn't winning more games? Huh Not sure where you learned that math at.

you guys are insane, We could be undefeated and you would still find something to bitch about. I can't wait to have this same conversation in 8 months on the Football forum when people are pissed because we aren't conference champions.

They're beating teams were not and it wouldn't surprise me if they sweep us....

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Everyone is an armchair coach and knows better, Go coach a team if you know better.

2009 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (228)
2010 - 10-21 (3-13) RPI - (243)
2011 - 21-12 (6-8) RPI - (82)
2012 - 20-14 (4-12) RPI - (71)
2013 - 14-9 (5-5) RPI - (96) with 8 games to go.

If at the end of the season we are 15-16 (6-12) then you can bitch about this team not getting any better. Until then seriously STFU and enjoy the fact as a team we are getting better, Contrary to popular belief you don't turn a 10 win program around to contend for titles in 2 years.

Sure last year was rough we got really screwed going into conference play losing our #2 player on the roster but the simple fact is this team is better than it was a year ago and better than it was two years ago.

RPI improving means nothing if were not winning games.... Awesome we have a higher than normal RPI. We're still a shitty team. And why can't we be a contender now? CSU did it in one year.

I think you should change your name to ItSucksToBeACSURam to ItSucksToBeACSURamAndAnIdiotAboutBasketballToo.

Jes' sayin'...

B
Because I don't subscribe to the belief that good enough is good enough and believe we can be great now I'm and idiot about basketball huh?

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

They're beating teams were not and it wouldn't surprise me if they sweep us....

We have almost identical records (we have a higher overall and conference winning %) and they also lost to UNM twice, lost to USU whom we dominated, lost to Nevada by double digits, BARELY got by SJSU. Don't pretend they are light years ahead of us just to prove a point.