WYO @ SDSU

[DocHolliday]

And so, are some here ready to stop with the glorification of Larry Shyatt?

Don't misunderstand me, I believe he is a decent coach, knows the game very well, however, I've started to believe he's brought the program as far as he may be able to bring it.

In 5 years just where is the program from a recruiting standpoint?

Sans Larry Nance Jr, where are the difference makers he's brought to Laramie? Where are the shooters? Capable ball handlers?

This offense is a tough watch, man, and my goodness, the predictability of our offensive sets (which never change) make game planning for us a piece of cake for opposing teams.

I'm also skeptical of hearing some claim we have a great defense. As has been mentioned here before, I think much of the statistical minutia surrounding our defense has much to do with our milk it until the last second offense.

Lastly, be careful when criticizing coach Shyatt, as he seems to be pretty prickly about anyone not being satisfied with what his team has accomplished this season.

This is really snapping into focus for me as well. I have found myself wondering in the last few weeks if he's the guy for us. He recruits the same players, undersized, raw talent, projects and none of them have panned out. Cooke can't shoot, Grabau doesn't do anything great, Adams is seemingly regressing, Hankerson blew his load in non conference, Herndon has no killer instinct and no muscle to make his shot (Cooke 2.0), Aka Gorski and Lieberman seem like compliments and not leaders, and Mac is average at best. I see nothing going forward to lead me to believe were going to take that step to the next level. Am I missing something?

I disagree with being this upset with Shyatt. He's had great success and then horrible luck 3 years in a row now. As far as his recruits go our biggest failures are not having that 3rd guy this year/being one big man shy in depth. Our freshmen I think we develop well but they're just frosh on a Senior loaded team. They have seemed a little tentative but look to be progressing in season (even if it's just slightly). What's happening right now makes me think Nance just might be an NBA talent. I expected this game tonight to be ugly and I don't expect us to be in games until Nance gets back. We get him back in time for the MWC we could still make the NCAA this year.

Perhaps with a pair of brown & gold bifocals this is an NCAA Tournament team...but as I stated last week, in my opinion, this team is far from being NCAA Tournament worthy.

 

[LawPoke]

Well I wonder how long Nance will be out because if this keeps up there will be no NIT either. CBI again. We lead the nation in CBI invites.

The way weve played the last two games, we don't deserve a CBI invite. We wouldnt win a game.

Frankly, I don't want to go to the CBI, even if we get an invite. It is actually an embarrassment to think the CBI matters and only feeds the view that we love mediocrity and celebrate it. To me, CBI is short for Covering Burman's Inadequacy. Every time we accept invites to the CBI it just allows the admin to tout that they got to the postseason. What a freaking joke. No heart. No desire. Lots of give up and pout.

With all due respect, why does Burman take the hit for this game tonight - or if the team is invited to the CBI yet again? By the way, I'm with you, I have zero interest in the CBI.

Agreed. Tonight and this seasons failings have nothing to do with Burman. I hope we decline our CBI invite

I dunno. I guess I see him as the poster child for the athletic department and its products. May not be fair, but whenever I see the letters C,B and I, I immediately jump to a Burman reference. It was his way to cover for Heath and appears to be a cover for Shyatt's time here. Again, perhaps it isn't fair, but my frustration with nearly every corner of UW, no less athletics, and accepting mediocrity puts me on edge right out of the gate with nearly every administrator at UW...sad part is, tonight's product isn't even mediocre. It's terrible.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

And so, are some here ready to stop with the glorification of Larry Shyatt?

Don't misunderstand me, I believe he is a decent coach, knows the game very well, however, I've started to believe he's brought the program as far as he may be able to bring it.

In 5 years just where is the program from a recruiting standpoint?

Sans Larry Nance Jr, where are the difference makers he's brought to Laramie? Where are the shooters? Capable ball handlers?

This offense is a tough watch, man, and my goodness, the predictability of our offensive sets (which never change) make game planning for us a piece of cake for opposing teams.

I'm also skeptical of hearing some claim we have a great defense. As has been mentioned here before, I think much of the statistical minutia surrounding our defense has much to do with our milk it until the last second offense.

Lastly, be careful when criticizing coach Shyatt, as he seems to be pretty prickly about anyone not being satisfied with what his team has accomplished this season.

This is really snapping into focus for me as well. I have found myself wondering in the last few weeks if he's the guy for us. He recruits the same players, undersized, raw talent, projects and none of them have panned out. Cooke can't shoot, Grabau doesn't do anything great, Adams is seemingly regressing, Hankerson blew his load in non conference, Herndon has no killer instinct and no muscle to make his shot (Cooke 2.0), Aka Gorski and Lieberman seem like compliments and not leaders, and Mac is average at best. I see nothing going forward to lead me to believe were going to take that step to the next level. Am I missing something?

I disagree with being this upset with Shyatt. He's had great success and then horrible luck 3 years in a row now. As far as his recruits go our biggest failures are not having that 3rd guy this year/being one big man shy in depth. Our freshmen I think we develop well but they're just frosh on a Senior loaded team. They have seemed a little tentative but look to be progressing in season (even if it's just slightly). What's happening right now makes me think Nance just might be an NBA talent. I expected this game tonight to be ugly and I don't expect us to be in games until Nance gets back. We get him back in time for the MWC we could still make the NCAA this year.

You truly think, with or without Nance we beat some combo of Boise, CSU, UNM, UNLV, and SDSU to win the MWC tournament in what constitute road games? Theres no way. WE ARE DONE. The will has been broken, the fire is gone. Lets not be shocked if we spiral out of contention just like last year. Were a one trick pony and the basketball gods again take our pony.

 

[seattlecowboy]

Take Derek Cooke out of the game tonight and the rest of the team is shooting 5-25.

2-16 from 3.

Comical.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

This game is turning into pure dark comedy for us.

 

[seattlecowboy]

And so, are some here ready to stop with the glorification of Larry Shyatt?

Don't misunderstand me, I believe he is a decent coach, knows the game very well, however, I've started to believe he's brought the program as far as he may be able to bring it.

In 5 years just where is the program from a recruiting standpoint?

Sans Larry Nance Jr, where are the difference makers he's brought to Laramie? Where are the shooters? Capable ball handlers?

This offense is a tough watch, man, and my goodness, the predictability of our offensive sets (which never change) make game planning for us a piece of cake for opposing teams.

I'm also skeptical of hearing some claim we have a great defense. As has been mentioned here before, I think much of the statistical minutia surrounding our defense has much to do with our milk it until the last second offense.

Lastly, be careful when criticizing coach Shyatt, as he seems to be pretty prickly about anyone not being satisfied with what his team has accomplished this season.

This is really snapping into focus for me as well. I have found myself wondering in the last few weeks if he's the guy for us. He recruits the same players, undersized, raw talent, projects and none of them have panned out. Cooke can't shoot, Grabau doesn't do anything great, Adams is seemingly regressing, Hankerson blew his load in non conference, Herndon has no killer instinct and no muscle to make his shot (Cooke 2.0), Aka Gorski and Lieberman seem like compliments and not leaders, and Mac is average at best. I see nothing going forward to lead me to believe were going to take that step to the next level. Am I missing something?

I disagree with being this upset with Shyatt. He's had great success and then horrible luck 3 years in a row now. As far as his recruits go our biggest failures are not having that 3rd guy this year/being one big man shy in depth. Our freshmen I think we develop well but they're just frosh on a Senior loaded team. They have seemed a little tentative but look to be progressing in season (even if it's just slightly). What's happening right now makes me think Nance just might be an NBA talent. I expected this game tonight to be ugly and I don't expect us to be in games until Nance gets back. We get him back in time for the MWC we could still make the NCAA this year.

You truly think, with or without Nance we beat some combo of Boise, CSU, UNM, UNLV, and SDSU to win the MWC tournament in what constitute road games? Theres no way. WE ARE DONE. The will has been broken, the fire is gone. Lets not be shocked if we spiral out of contention just like last year. Were a one trick pony and the basketball gods again take our pony.

Yeah even with Nance back we are done mentally I believe. They are broken. Teams have figured out to just clog the lane and make us shoot jumpers the whole game as well. I could see us winning maybe one game in the MWC tournament but that is it and it will not surprise me if this team spirals the rest of the year.

 

[Cosmic Cowboy]

And so, are some here ready to stop with the glorification of Larry Shyatt?

Don't misunderstand me, I believe he is a decent coach, knows the game very well, however, I've started to believe he's brought the program as far as he may be able to bring it.

In 5 years just where is the program from a recruiting standpoint?

Sans Larry Nance Jr, where are the difference makers he's brought to Laramie? Where are the shooters? Capable ball handlers?

This offense is a tough watch, man, and my goodness, the predictability of our offensive sets (which never change) make game planning for us a piece of cake for opposing teams.

I'm also skeptical of hearing some claim we have a great defense. As has been mentioned here before, I think much of the statistical minutia surrounding our defense has much to do with our milk it until the last second offense.

Lastly, be careful when criticizing coach Shyatt, as he seems to be pretty prickly about anyone not being satisfied with what his team has accomplished this season.

This is really snapping into focus for me as well. I have found myself wondering in the last few weeks if he's the guy for us. He recruits the same players, undersized, raw talent, projects and none of them have panned out. Cooke can't shoot, Grabau doesn't do anything great, Adams is seemingly regressing, Hankerson blew his load in non conference, Herndon has no killer instinct and no muscle to make his shot (Cooke 2.0), Aka Gorski and Lieberman seem like compliments and not leaders, and Mac is average at best. I see nothing going forward to lead me to believe were going to take that step to the next level. Am I missing something?

I disagree with being this upset with Shyatt. He's had great success and then horrible luck 3 years in a row now. As far as his recruits go our biggest failures are not having that 3rd guy this year/being one big man shy in depth. Our freshmen I think we develop well but they're just frosh on a Senior loaded team. They have seemed a little tentative but look to be progressing in season (even if it's just slightly). What's happening right now makes me think Nance just might be an NBA talent. I expected this game tonight to be ugly and I don't expect us to be in games until Nance gets back. We get him back in time for the MWC we could still make the NCAA this year.

You truly think, with or without Nance we beat some combo of Boise, CSU, UNM, UNLV, and SDSU to win the MWC tournament in what constitute road games? Theres no way. WE ARE DONE. The will has been broken, the fire is gone. Lets not be shocked if we spiral out of contention just like last year. Were a one trick pony and the basketball gods again take our pony.

Yeah call me crazy but I think with a healthy Nance we can beat any team in the MWC. So you bet your ass we can beat them all in a row if he's in the lineup. Keep in mind that just before AF we spanked CSU. We would've beat AF with Nance. Without him we are in another dimension.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

And so, are some here ready to stop with the glorification of Larry Shyatt?

Don't misunderstand me, I believe he is a decent coach, knows the game very well, however, I've started to believe he's brought the program as far as he may be able to bring it.

In 5 years just where is the program from a recruiting standpoint?

Sans Larry Nance Jr, where are the difference makers he's brought to Laramie? Where are the shooters? Capable ball handlers?

This offense is a tough watch, man, and my goodness, the predictability of our offensive sets (which never change) make game planning for us a piece of cake for opposing teams.

I'm also skeptical of hearing some claim we have a great defense. As has been mentioned here before, I think much of the statistical minutia surrounding our defense has much to do with our milk it until the last second offense.

Lastly, be careful when criticizing coach Shyatt, as he seems to be pretty prickly about anyone not being satisfied with what his team has accomplished this season.

This is really snapping into focus for me as well. I have found myself wondering in the last few weeks if he's the guy for us. He recruits the same players, undersized, raw talent, projects and none of them have panned out. Cooke can't shoot, Grabau doesn't do anything great, Adams is seemingly regressing, Hankerson blew his load in non conference, Herndon has no killer instinct and no muscle to make his shot (Cooke 2.0), Aka Gorski and Lieberman seem like compliments and not leaders, and Mac is average at best. I see nothing going forward to lead me to believe were going to take that step to the next level. Am I missing something?

I disagree with being this upset with Shyatt. He's had great success and then horrible luck 3 years in a row now. As far as his recruits go our biggest failures are not having that 3rd guy this year/being one big man shy in depth. Our freshmen I think we develop well but they're just frosh on a Senior loaded team. They have seemed a little tentative but look to be progressing in season (even if it's just slightly). What's happening right now makes me think Nance just might be an NBA talent. I expected this game tonight to be ugly and I don't expect us to be in games until Nance gets back. We get him back in time for the MWC we could still make the NCAA this year.

You truly think, with or without Nance we beat some combo of Boise, CSU, UNM, UNLV, and SDSU to win the MWC tournament in what constitute road games? Theres no way. WE ARE DONE. The will has been broken, the fire is gone. Lets not be shocked if we spiral out of contention just like last year. Were a one trick pony and the basketball gods again take our pony.

Yeah call me crazy but I think with a healthy Nance we can beat any team in the MWC. So you bet your ass we can beat them all in a row if he's in the lineup. Keep in mind that just before AF we spanked CSU. We would've beat AF with Nance. Without him we are in another dimension.

Nance would have somehow changed the fact they had their best game of the season from 3? How?

 

[LanderPoke]

Everyone calm down. Geeeeez. Stop calling or Shyatt's head. We're lucky to have him.

 

[LawPoke]

I believe it is Shyatt himself that talks about the importance of playing with an edge...

Shyatt had better focus on finding the grinder and lose the poor us, everyone is picking on us schtick. Good heavens this sucks.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Everyone calm down. Geeeeez. Stop calling or Shyatt's head. We're lucky to have him.

Lucky or not, he has to find a way to take the next step. He's been here 5 years and its been the same, over achieve against lesser teams, get out classed against competent teams.

 

[FarmerPoke]

Hands down the most painful 2 game stretch I've seen in a long time.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Hands down the most painful 2 game stretch I've seen in a long time.

Harkens back to the dark times of recent past...

 

[Wyo2dal]

Forums as usual are a cesspool when we lose and not when we win go figure. I respect what they have done tonight sure we lost I knew we had no chance coming in. Against USU/AF I felt like they gave up early and had no fight. Tonight mistakes aside they didn't ever give up.

Cooke was the type of player I hope he continues to be the rest of the year, Steals and anticipating passes and overall he looked better on the floor. I don't care what you guys say about everyone else and throwing players and coaches under the bus but Adams gave it his all but he can't carry the team.

This is a good team but Nance is the support beam of this team and without it the building just collapses in on itself but I give props or Cooke for how much he stepped up tonight he was more then a sitting target in the paint and Adams for giving it his all.

Now for a forum break for a few days.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Forums as usual are a cesspool when we lose and not when we win go figure. I respect what they have done tonight sure we lost I knew we had no chance coming in. Against USU/AF I felt like they gave up early and had no fight. Tonight mistakes aside they didn't ever give up.

Cooke was the type of player I hope he continues to be the rest of the year, Steals and anticipating passes and overall he looked better on the floor. I don't care what you guys say about everyone else and throwing players and coaches under the bus but Adams gave it his all but he can't carry the team.

This is a good team but Nance is the support beam of this team and without it the building just collapses in on itself but I give props or Cooke for how much he stepped up tonight he was more then a sitting target in the paint and Adams for giving it his all.

Now for a forum break for a few days.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but a good team doesn't get man handled like we have the last two games. Were down some 50 points over the last three halves. 50 POINTS!!! Thats not what good teams do. Now can we play very well and come together and turn it around? Maybe, but right now we are an awful team, piss poor.

 

[WyoBrandX]

This team really needs to figure out how to score some points on nights like the last two.

We have a good defense by default and we have a great defense when our offense runs the pace and makes baskets. When we play against a tough defense like SDSU, it quickly becomes a house of cards that falls apart. Somethings gotta give offensively.

Hell, if LNJ was in the game right now, its possible we might have another 15 points or so - and this is a game.

Shyatt himself is a good guy. He did a good job here last time (1 year). Brought in a lot of good talent. Went to clemson and didn't do so hot. Now that he is back here, I think he has done wonders. Can he take it further? I don't know.

We dug ourselves a pretty big grave with Shroyer. I'm certain that has hurt our recruiting a bit. Add in the fact everyone turned old all of a sudden and the AA is now considerably quieter than it used to be - and its certainly a challenge.

That said - I think its time for a new AD. He doesn't have much to do with this game - but I think has screwed up with coaching hires in the past; I think the policies in place at the AA are terrible; our coaches and players deserve a chance - and he isn't giving it to them.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Forums as usual are a cesspool when we lose and not when we win go figure. I respect what they have done tonight sure we lost I knew we had no chance coming in. Against USU/AF I felt like they gave up early and had no fight. Tonight mistakes aside they didn't ever give up.

Cooke was the type of player I hope he continues to be the rest of the year, Steals and anticipating passes and overall he looked better on the floor. I don't care what you guys say about everyone else and throwing players and coaches under the bus but Adams gave it his all but he can't carry the team.

This is a good team but Nance is the support beam of this team and without it the building just collapses in on itself but I give props or Cooke for how much he stepped up tonight he was more then a sitting target in the paint and Adams for giving it his all.

Now for a forum break for a few days.

There it is! The old "hey they tried post." Too bad this is Division I NCAA basketball and not the Special Olympics. Although watching tonight's game there wasn't much difference.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

This team really needs to figure out how to score some points on nights like the last two.

We have a good defense by default and we have a great defense when our offense runs the pace and makes baskets. When we play against a tough defense like SDSU, it quickly becomes a house of cards that falls apart. Somethings gotta give offensively.

Hell, if LNJ was in the game right now, its possible we might have another 15 points or so - and this is a game.

Shyatt himself is a good guy. He did a good job here last time (1 year). Brought in a lot of good talent. Went to clemson and didn't do so hot. Now that he is back here, I think he has done wonders. Can he take it further? I don't know.

We dug ourselves a pretty big grave with Shroyer. I'm certain that has hurt our recruiting a bit. Add in the fact everyone turned old all of a sudden and the AA is now considerably quieter than it used to be - and its certainly a challenge.

That said - I think its time for a new AD. He doesn't have much to do with this game - but I think has screwed up with coaching hires in the past; I think the policies in place at the AA are terrible; our coaches and players deserve a chance - and he isn't giving it to them.

At what point to the players WANT to succeed in spite of all that BS you just wrote down? Yeah its hard to recruit to Laramie, yeah the fans are snake bitten after shroyer, yeah there are some weird rules at the AA and a whole myriad of other EXCUSES. When do the players want a different outcome? When do the player say enough is enough, lets get the ship headed in the right direction? Is there no such thing as personal accountability anymore?

 

[wyoav211933]

And so, are some here ready to stop with the glorification of Larry Shyatt?

Don't misunderstand me, I believe he is a decent coach, knows the game very well, however, I've started to believe he's brought the program as far as he may be able to bring it.

In 5 years just where is the program from a recruiting standpoint?

Sans Larry Nance Jr, where are the difference makers he's brought to Laramie? Where are the shooters? Capable ball handlers?

This offense is a tough watch, man, and my goodness, the predictability of our offensive sets (which never change) make game planning for us a piece of cake for opposing teams.

I'm also skeptical of hearing some claim we have a great defense. As has been mentioned here before, I think much of the statistical minutia surrounding our defense has much to do with our milk it until the last second offense.

Lastly, be careful when criticizing coach Shyatt, as he seems to be pretty prickly about anyone not being satisfied with what his team has accomplished this season.

This is really snapping into focus for me as well. I have found myself wondering in the last few weeks if he's the guy for us. He recruits the same players, undersized, raw talent, projects and none of them have panned out. Cooke can't shoot, Grabau doesn't do anything great, Adams is seemingly regressing, Hankerson blew his load in non conference, Herndon has no killer instinct and no muscle to make his shot (Cooke 2.0), Aka Gorski and Lieberman seem like compliments and not leaders, and Mac is average at best. I see nothing going forward to lead me to believe were going to take that step to the next level. Am I missing something?

Not at all...other than when/if the team regresses next season, then just how good of a job is Shyatt really doing?

He started to lose me seriously after the SD State game (at home) when he whined about being hurt because of some criticism from unnamed sources after that game...as if trying and doing our best is good enough - and should be good enough, and how dare anyone expect something more substantive from Wyoming Basketball. Big time coaches don't do that. If the mission was to be simply mediocre then I guess Shyatt has accomplished the objective.

I'm with you guys entirely. There may be some things that Shyatt does well, but aside from Nance he hasn't brought anyone to the program that is special. If we are so thin in depth that a bar fight, an ACL, and mono end our seasons, I think that goes in part on the coach. If we can't get even one guy who can consistently hit a 3 or can create their own shot, I think that goes on the coach. If you can't prepare your guys to break a full-court press, that goes on the coach, shoot even high school teams can do that. Here is an interesting thought exercise that I feel shows how far away we are from being a NCAA tourney team. Let's look at JUST THE BENCH our last tourney team, McMillan, Corner, Rottinghaus, Ries, Mingo, post-injury Udezue. If they were hypothetically on our roster today, how many of our current roster would be able to make the starting lineup? Nance sure, maaaybeee Adams, and probably nobody else.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

And so, are some here ready to stop with the glorification of Larry Shyatt?

Don't misunderstand me, I believe he is a decent coach, knows the game very well, however, I've started to believe he's brought the program as far as he may be able to bring it.

In 5 years just where is the program from a recruiting standpoint?

Sans Larry Nance Jr, where are the difference makers he's brought to Laramie? Where are the shooters? Capable ball handlers?

This offense is a tough watch, man, and my goodness, the predictability of our offensive sets (which never change) make game planning for us a piece of cake for opposing teams.

I'm also skeptical of hearing some claim we have a great defense. As has been mentioned here before, I think much of the statistical minutia surrounding our defense has much to do with our milk it until the last second offense.

Lastly, be careful when criticizing coach Shyatt, as he seems to be pretty prickly about anyone not being satisfied with what his team has accomplished this season.

This is really snapping into focus for me as well. I have found myself wondering in the last few weeks if he's the guy for us. He recruits the same players, undersized, raw talent, projects and none of them have panned out. Cooke can't shoot, Grabau doesn't do anything great, Adams is seemingly regressing, Hankerson blew his load in non conference, Herndon has no killer instinct and no muscle to make his shot (Cooke 2.0), Aka Gorski and Lieberman seem like compliments and not leaders, and Mac is average at best. I see nothing going forward to lead me to believe were going to take that step to the next level. Am I missing something?

Not at all...other than when/if the team regresses next season, then just how good of a job is Shyatt really doing?

He started to lose me seriously after the SD State game (at home) when he whined about being hurt because of some criticism from unnamed sources after that game...as if trying and doing our best is good enough - and should be good enough, and how dare anyone expect something more substantive from Wyoming Basketball. Big time coaches don't do that. If the mission was to be simply mediocre then I guess Shyatt has accomplished the objective.

I'm with you guys entirely. There may be some things that Shyatt does well, but aside from Nance he hasn't brought anyone to the program that is special. If we are so thin in depth that a bar fight, an ACL, and mono end our seasons, I think that goes in part on the coach. If we can't get even one guy who can consistently hit a 3 or can create their own shot, I think that goes on the coach. If you can't prepare your guys to break a full-court press, that goes on the coach, shoot even high school teams can do that. Here is an interesting thought exercise that I feel shows how far away we are from being a NCAA tourney team. Let's look at JUST THE BENCH our last tourney team, McMillan, Corner, Rottinghaus, Ries, Mingo, post-injury Udezue. If they were hypothetically on our roster today, how many of our current roster would be able to make the starting lineup? Nance sure, maaaybeee Adams, and probably nobody else.

Shit. Thats insane to think about. Imagine Nance and Udezue in the same lineup. Nasty.