Vorel: Bohl's QB Trends

[SDPokeFan]

It's Sdpokefan, get ready for the "this guy sucks!", "this team sucks!", " this group sucks!", "these coaches were supposed to be good.", "But I'm still a big fan, and anyone that questions my comments can F off! Especially if I question anyone else on here..."

Thanks for the insight-all of you who replied. He really is Howdy Doody! Seen his type over the years and in a number of different conferences and divisions. My Dad used to call 'em baby birds-all mouth and a**hole.

OK OK, sorry. I forgot there is no logic allowed on this message board. Kirkegaard is going to throw for 5,000 yards and win the Heisman.

No one even alluded to anything like that. Just that DC did not set him up for success in the one game he had a chance in. Kirk did not choose the short passes, DC did. He was also not a spread QB...and it was obvious by his mobility.

Bottom line, in a system better suited to his playing style, we should see improved play...and we aren't ready to throw our starting QB under the bus before he has a chance to be set up for success and still fail.

Fair enough. He just doesn't inspire confidence for me. I hope he makes me eat my words. The good news for all of you is that I have low expectations for this season, so you won't read me bitching much.

 

[BeaverPoke]

KansasPoke: Eh, Kirk won't be THAT bad guys give him a break.

SDPoke: How dare you guys think that Kirk is going to win the Heisman! You guys need to know that he sucks! He lost the Cal Poly game for us! Kansas Poke you think everyone who wears brown and gold is the greatest player ever, GROW UP!

Everyone else: Well, that escalated quickly

 

[BeaverPoke]

But seriously, it would be a great story if Kirkgaard is the starter all season (meaning he was never bad enough to get replaced) and led Wyo to a bowl win (over a team not named Oregon State).

Immediately putting his legacy up there with bowl games winners like ACS and Corey Bramlet and all those other bowl winners in the last 20 years.

 

[kansasCowboy]

It's Sdpokefan, get ready for the "this guy sucks!", "this team sucks!", " this group sucks!", "these coaches were supposed to be good.", "But I'm still a big fan, and anyone that questions my comments can F off! Especially if I question anyone else on here..."

"You left out FCS football is so awesome and Wyoming should move down."

Except everybody's hero Kirkegaard managed to lose to an FCS school for the first time in Wyoming's history, so I guess that's out. Brett Smith would have put 60 points on that team. But if you all want to believe he's the next John Elway, don't let me spoil your delusion.

Nobody said that, did they SD poke? Yes, I believe Smith Would've beat CP. But DC changed the WR routes to make dink and dunk passes. That's what screwed us. Yes, Kirk can be blamed for the CP game, yes, it could also be because six of our starters plus 4 main contributors were out with injury that game. Why does everyone blame only Kirk for that game? If I remember right our running game was abysmal that game, was our RBs sucking it up that game Kirks fault? What about our O line play. You want to only blame Kirk, but what about the rest of the 35 players that registered playing time that game? Come On Sdpokefan?

Because he was terrible? And incapable of throwing a pass over 15 yards?

Pretty sure I said that DC switched up the route running of the WRs to run wheel routes and u routes and routes to the sideline. Basic stuff that gives you easy completions for minimal yards, hence " dink and dunk". But I'm sure you didn't read that... Just like you obviously didn't read that my main concern on here was that we may be very similar to the 4-8 08 team. But I guess your right, I'm always BCS all the way. I'm sure it was an insult, but it hit way off the mark and made you look worse. Sorry, just telling it like it is.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I'd rather have fans that want us in the BCS than fans that want us in the FCS. :twocents:

 

[Larawie]

It's Sdpokefan, get ready for the "this guy sucks!", "this team sucks!", " this group sucks!", "these coaches were supposed to be good.", "But I'm still a big fan, and anyone that questions my comments can F off! Especially if I question anyone else on here..."

Thanks for the insight-all of you who replied. He really is Howdy Doody! Seen his type over the years and in a number of different conferences and divisions. My Dad used to call 'em baby birds-all mouth and a**hole.

OK OK, sorry. I forgot there is no logic allowed on this message board. Kirkegaard is going to throw for 5,000 yards and win the Heisman.

Not the point. #11 is the guy right now. And the right now is barely 24 hours old. Doubt we'll learn much more until 8/30. I have confidence that the top players at each position will be identified and on the field when the season starts. If a player doesn't live up to expectations he will be replaced. Constant evaluation plays a large part in coachin'. The staff may be on the field a few hours each day, but spend a lot more time watchin' video.

 

[Cornpoke]

I'd rather have fans that want us in the BCS than fans that want us in the FCS. :twocents:

One time I actually agree with you... but we can't do that without players and by your logic no player should ever choose to come to Wyoming.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I'd rather have fans that want us in the BCS than fans that want us in the FCS. :twocents:

One time I actually agree with you... but we can't do that without players and by your logic no player should ever choose to come to Wyoming.

Lol well when you hear what you wanna hear, then okay.

 

[BJC]

I'd rather have fans that want us in the BCS than fans that want us in the FCS. :twocents:

:thumb:

 

[SDPokeFan]

I'd rather have fans that want us in the BCS than fans that want us in the FCS. :twocents:

Nobody would love us in the BCS more than me, believe me. What I really want, though, is for us to be consistently competitive, whichever level that is at.

 

[kansasCowboy]

I'd rather have fans that want us in the BCS than fans that want us in the FCS. :twocents:

Nobody would love us in the BCS more than me, believe me. What I really want, though, is for us to be consistently competitive, whichever level that is at.

^ What Sdpokefan says. But what it actually means is ," No one would love Wy to be in the BCS more than me, but since we can't, and since we struggle with winning now, we better just drop a division so I can cheer on winning again."

 

[SDPokeFan]

I'd rather have fans that want us in the BCS than fans that want us in the FCS. :twocents:

Nobody would love us in the BCS more than me, believe me. What I really want, though, is for us to be consistently competitive, whichever level that is at.

^ What Sdpokefan says. But what it actually means is ," No one would love Wy to be in the BCS more than me, but since we can't, and since we struggle with winning now, we better just drop a division so I can cheer on winning again."

That's actually pretty spot on! I hope Bohl and his staff make me eat my words!

 

[wyopig]

Anyone that thinks we need to drop a level to be competitive is braindead. What makes you think we'd be competitive at the FCS level? We currently get better players than Montana and NDSU because we're FBS. It's not like we'd be recruiting the same players if we were in FCS and kicking everyone's asses. People are idiots.

 

[kansasCowboy]

Anyone that thinks we need to drop a level to be competitive is braindead. What makes you think we'd be competitive at the FCS level? We currently get better players than Montana and NDSU because we're FBS. It's not like we'd be recruiting the same players if we were in FCS and kicking everyone's asses. People are idiots.

I agree. We would ride the high of our talent level for maybe one or two years, then we'd be pretty much even with the rest of the FCS. And I'm not talking FCS top 25 either. We would more than Likely become another weber st. Do good for a few years then suck and have to rebuild... Wait a minute, that sounds like us in the FBS now.

I think we better just stay put. Besides I enjoy my rivalries being CSU, Air Force and Utah st. Not Northern Colorado, Weber st. and Montana. And I enjoy bringing top programs like Nebraska , Texas, Okla St., Virginia and the like to Laramie playing in front of a sellout crowd, not struggling to get # 1 NDSU or #5 Coastal Carolina to come to Laramie to play in front of maybe 10,000 fans... Our new avg attendance.

But hey, maybe we'll be winning then? GEESH!

 

[lakesbison]

Good article. I've found that Bohl will take a QB that DOESNT TURN IT OVER vs a flashy QB every day of the week and that's the bottom line

With the fcs talk I got an eerie feeling that P5 breaks off and everyone gets lumped into the fcs

 

[Wyo2dal]

One quick post in here this thread is toxic,

DC never setup any backup QB to succeed or in games when we were up by 20 Brett would have been sitting and the backups would have gotten reps. The CP loss is 100% DC's fault and no one else he never worked a backup so when we needed one we didn't have one.

All we had was someone terrified of stepping on the field and trying to fill a pair of shoes they had no chance of filling.

 

[WYOBISONMAN]

At NDSU Bohl and Vigen were very slow to make QB changes. Many thought they were too slow, especially in the two years that preceeded the 3 titles. It will be interesting to see how they handle it in Laramie. I think Bohl and his staff are very solid. The weakest link is Vigen. Many questioned his play calling at NDSU.....but then again it is hard to argue with 3 titles. I think Laramie will be a real test to see how Vigen does.

 

[kansasCowboy]

At NDSU Bohl and Vigen were very slow to make QB changes. Many thought they were too slow, especially in the two years that preceeded the 3 titles. It will be interesting to see how they handle it in Laramie. I think Bohl and his staff are very solid. The weakest link is Vigen. Many questioned his play calling at NDSU.....but then again it is hard to argue with 3 titles. I think Laramie will be a real test to see how Vigen does.

So what you're saying is we might need to be be patient and wait a few years before they are able to build up to a champion quality team? Including positions, such as QB. They built the program from the ground up and for the most part was progressed year after year up to their 3 straight title seasons. They must know what they are doing and what they want at key positions including holding on to what they may think would be the best possible player at key positions, even if what most would think to be a sub par player.

I rate my O players almost similarly to EA sports ratings, and just looking at what I've seen, though limited, between Kirk and Stratton and Thorton Kirk would be the best bet, but only rated at about a 65 out of 100. We have a group a QBs that have potential to grow, but none as far as I've seen are there yet. To give you and idea Smith was only an 88 in my rating system. When I watched Smith his Fresh year he was about an 80. Which is where I think every coach would want at least one of their players by the beginning of the year. Casey Bramlet in my system was an 82 by his senior year.
Coach Bohl is going to have to play the best he's got. Right now that's Kirk. But with what I have seen of him he's nowhere near where anyone would want our QB to be. What will help him is a decent line play this year and some solid WRs at his disposal. If he plays well I look to him to put up numbers similar to Jay Stoner, not great but was solid enough to win. And maybe there are several gaps in my rating of him due to the limited times I've got to see him, he may be even better... We will have to Trust the coaching staff at this juncture and hope they know what is best.

 

[PokeOLoco]

I think the best numbers we can hope for are Aaaron Young JUCO numbers. 2,000 yds passing 19 tds 9 int. I think it will be more like 1800 yds, 12td 9 int, ACS sophmore numbers without the rushing yards.

 

[J-Rod]

At NDSU Bohl and Vigen were very slow to make QB changes. Many thought they were too slow, especially in the two years that preceeded the 3 titles. It will be interesting to see how they handle it in Laramie. I think Bohl and his staff are very solid. The weakest link is Vigen. Many questioned his play calling at NDSU.....but then again it is hard to argue with 3 titles. I think Laramie will be a real test to see how Vigen does.

Thanks for the info. It's a Wyoming tradition on this board to make one of the coordinators a pinata by midseason, so apparently Vigen is the early favorite in Vegas to face our wrath.