DamThatRiver22 said:
Without Arroyo, Wyoming possibly never gets or has the opportunity to develop Brett Smith. And I will submit once again that working under DC is a hit or miss endeavor. Or did we all forget what a Sh#t HC Dave was?
DC was a jerk. I have no idea how he convinced the players he had to come to Wyoming. My best guess is that the assistants did it.
He did develop a decent offense. Never put time into the details - like a tough o-line. It was just very good skill players without a line. If he would have dug down more, that could have been interesting.
Then there was conversions of the best defensive players to offense. He never cared to build a defense, or hire a good defensive staff.
As far as Oregon goes, Arroyo had to deal with Christobal and Taggart, who are widely considered two of the worst P5 coaches in existence....and still ended up with a Rose Bowl win and an 11-2 season. Any Oregon fan with two shreds of common sense knew Arroyo wasn't the real problem and was largely a scapegoat.
I can't really speak to this. I know next to nothing about Oregon football
At UNLV, Arroyo was handed the reigns to a program with...let me reiterate...4 winning seasons in 30 years, and his first year was the Covid year. Yet somehow he was able to make marked improvement year over year there...something that was plainly obvious if you actually watched UNLV football and talked to UNLV fans. (Additionally, while Brumfield is good, he's not elite...and you conveniently left out the fact that he missed nearly two games with injury.)
I follow UNLV a bit. They are in the same conference as us. I haven't cared about the rest in years. I thought he was a bad hire. He is doing some good stuff right now, but it's not impressive. If any team in the MWC has room to grow and be good fast, it is at UNLV. A good hire there could be a pain in the ass for the rest of the conference? Why haven't they done it? I donno - maybe they are conservative with their money. Maybe they are idiots at hiring football coaches. Donno. If they ponied up a few more bucks and did more research, they probably would dominate the conference. How hard would it be to recruit there? Guess I don't know much about their studies. That could be a stopper.
There are reports Arroyo will be let go today, which I'm sure gives you all sorts of a sense of self-validation. But let me tell you something...UNLV fans are NOT happy with the move. AT ALL. And the general feeling across CFB is that it's about the dumbest decision the administration could have made. Far be it for me to explain that there exists a world outside of your bubble though.
I don't remember the year he was hired - i think it was 3 years ago. Too lazy to look it up. I remember when he was hired, I just laughed and said "good luck." He did get further than I expected there. From my limited experience about him, I think he would be all over the offense, and not care too much about the other two parts of the game. He does have a good 'spread offense mentality.' That works when your not playing a team that can play defense and special teams.
In my humble opinion, what we need here is a craig bohl v2 that has some creativity. Bohl has seemed to make us a very physical team that can really put the hurt on. I do like the 11 on 11 concept - make 'em all work for it. What I don't like is the - okay qb sneak, lets wait until 3 seconds left to snap the ball, then punt. He get's it done physically on offense but never has points to show for it. Beat a guy up enough, and he gets smart and learns how to not take those hits. In our current incarnation, do some psychological damage and keep them guessing. Vary the tempo a bit. Do a bit more psychops.
I don't think Bohl is far away from a championship with what he has implemented. I personally think it is related to variations mentally in the game. You can't say I'm starting the bulldozer at 11:15:45.02 over and over again and expect everyone to not be looking at their watch. Sure the 70's cornhuskers might think we have a "half hour" before we need to do anything, but not in this day and age.
If there is any truth to Vigen interviewing this way, no harm IMHO. He does seems a bit more adaptable than I previously thought. Knows the Wyoming recruiting connections, and has been part of building to where we are. Not a grand slam, but a good solid interview and alot of food for thought.
