ragtimejoe1
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Disclaimer: I believe in the vaccines, have received a vaccine, and overall support the concept that they are effective.
Requiring people to get them is complete BS. You can argue every other vaccine requirement you want, but there is one major difference. You must sign paperwork absolving all your rights and place the risk solely on yourself to receive the vaccine. If the vaccine is so safe, then this mandate needs to be absolved. Vaccine manufacturers should be sued if they cause serious side effects. Companies or governments forcing you to relinquish your rights to get a vaccine is complete bullshit.
We also now know vaccinated people can contract and spread the virus. We theorize that because symptoms are less severe if you are vaccinated that your immune system eliminates the virus prior to being able to foster the rise of a variant. However, that has not been conclusively shown. In other words, based on the science, it appears the vaccine mainly protects the individual and not necessarily the spread of the virus which isn't that surprising. Forcing people to take an experimental vaccine to protect themselves is unethical particularly in lowly susceptible groups.
We are also now learning that it appears there will be numerous animal reservoirs. If it is determined that the virus can jump from rodents, deer, etc. back to humans, all our efforts are a lost cause anyway. The animal reservoirs will yield countless variants over the years and the variants that are resistant to vaccination will pop up in the human population.
It's time to discuss this as it is: we can't contain, control, or protect against this thing.
Requiring people to get them is complete BS. You can argue every other vaccine requirement you want, but there is one major difference. You must sign paperwork absolving all your rights and place the risk solely on yourself to receive the vaccine. If the vaccine is so safe, then this mandate needs to be absolved. Vaccine manufacturers should be sued if they cause serious side effects. Companies or governments forcing you to relinquish your rights to get a vaccine is complete bullshit.
We also now know vaccinated people can contract and spread the virus. We theorize that because symptoms are less severe if you are vaccinated that your immune system eliminates the virus prior to being able to foster the rise of a variant. However, that has not been conclusively shown. In other words, based on the science, it appears the vaccine mainly protects the individual and not necessarily the spread of the virus which isn't that surprising. Forcing people to take an experimental vaccine to protect themselves is unethical particularly in lowly susceptible groups.
We are also now learning that it appears there will be numerous animal reservoirs. If it is determined that the virus can jump from rodents, deer, etc. back to humans, all our efforts are a lost cause anyway. The animal reservoirs will yield countless variants over the years and the variants that are resistant to vaccination will pop up in the human population.
It's time to discuss this as it is: we can't contain, control, or protect against this thing.
Appears that one will make the vaccination debate pointless unless vaccines adapt. The other is the B.1.621 variant.