Tormey Fired

[McPeachy]

That would take away 3-4 of our possessions as well. You sure we still win? We were back and forth through the third and 4th quarters. Only way we win convincingly is to end the game at the half. We can't play that slow.

That all depends. Defensively UW was a wreck the second half. 7 possessions by SJSU in the second half. 5 resulted in touchdowns, 1 resulted in a missed FG, 1 resulted in a punt.

Looking further into it - maybe you have a point. UW TD's in the second half took :24, 3:13, and 2:19. Great that we scored, we should be happy.

Maybe I am old school. Joe Glenn-ish. Thinking that keeping the other teams offense off the field will keep them from scoring.

 

[McPeachy]

Yep. Slow playing the second half would have made sure we got blown out. Especially since SJSU had no problem with our defense. Doesn't matter if they are tired. They stopped blitzing and started playing cover 2 which they get burned on when they are fresh or late in the 4th quarter.

Again, maybe I am old school. SJSU scored at will. Why is it smarter to give them the opportunity to? Would have been a different game if our 2 minute average scoring drives in the second half were 9 minutes. But I know - UW needs to take what they can, when they can - to try and outscore the opponent. I don't think that philosophy will work - again - against Fresno, USU, or Boise. I hope I am way wrong by the way.

 

[HR_Poke]

Yep. Slow playing the second half would have made sure we got blown out. Especially since SJSU had no problem with our defense. Doesn't matter if they are tired. They stopped blitzing and started playing cover 2 which they get burned on when they are fresh or late in the 4th quarter.

Again, maybe I am old school. SJSU scored at will. Why is it smarter to give them the opportunity to? Would have been a different game if our 2 minute average scoring drives in the second half were 9 minutes. But I know - UW needs to take what they can, when they can - to try and outscore the opponent. I don't think that philosophy will work - again - against Fresno, USU, or Boise. I hope I am way wrong by the way.

Why not? it's the exact same philosophy Fresno uses. Their defense might actually be as bad as ours.

 

[McPeachy]

Their defense might actually be as bad as ours.

I hope you are right, especially on 11/9. Yet after the last 2 games, I don't believe that to be the case though.

 

[SDPokeFan]

After ALL the talk of our lackluster offense and always playing "vanilla" The offense is actually performing better than any other time in UW history, now people would rather us go back to vanilla play calling.

Tough crowd.

We are at exactly 50% accuracy on 3rd down conversions this year (60-122), I don't recall a year when we were converting 3rd downs at a 50% rate.

Every offense, even the best offenses get stopped. Shoot, even Oregon punts. No one can convert on 3rd down every time. Shoot we're even around 50% when going for it on fourth, so that would bump that conversion rate up some more aswell.

Last week, most of our lack of time of possession came from Wyoming making BIG play scoring drives. Had WYO had the lead in the fourth quarter I'm sure you would've seen a different UW offense out there.

But really people it is seriously like their is no freaking pleasing any of you! You always are bitching about one thing or another. And if you are done bitching about one thing with no success, you go to the Extreme and bitch about the only fucking bright spot we have!

I'm convinced that we could go 14-0, win the conference championship, win a BCS bowl, have an offense that averaged 60 ppg, 350 passing a game, 300 rushing a game, total out almost 700 yards a game, covert 80% on 3rd down, give up 10 a game and only 250 yards overall a game and someone on this site would actually find something to bitch about! That just seems pathetic!

I think I speak for everyone when I say I hope this theory gets tested some day!

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

I agree with McPeachy. Most games I think Wyo should take what the defense gives them and if that's a quick touchdown...take it.

However, against SJSU our strength was running the ball. Brett had a sub-par game. If we can run the ball at will and the other team is scoring at will. Might as well take time off the clock and see where that gets us.

 

[MrTitleist]

Brett really didn't have a bad game.. a couple of ugly INTs, but otherwise was efficient. Only problem was he never got running with the ball.. -7 rushing, I think.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Brett really didn't have a bad game.. a couple of ugly INTs, but otherwise was efficient. Only problem was he never got running with the ball.. -7 rushing, I think.

3 out of 4 quarters he was efficient,, but in that 3rd quarter when we let the game start to slip away we had two 3-and-outs in a row, both of which had badly thrown balls on what would have been 1st downs and the series after that, an interception.

Defense is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life but if we managed to score on just ONE of those drives, we end up winning the game.

 

[Bryoming]

There's a lot of talk in this thread about how HCDC should shoulder the blame for the defense. As the head coach, he should get a lot of flak, but let's not forget that he's spending all of practice with the offense since he is calling the plays. He left most of the defensive coaching to the defensive coordinator, and Tormey did a poor job handling those duties. With our thin D line we should be blitzing...a lot. Zone blitz schemes should be implemented, too, to help out with bringing different looks that will confuse an offense. There is no reason we shouldn't be bringing heat on 70% of our defensive downs unless we are consistently getting burned.

We saw how effective our defense is this weekend when they were coming in from all angles. It's when the defense goes vanilla that we start to get owned. I hope that Cain capitalizes on this and makes our defense AGGRESSIVE.

 

[kansasCowboy]

After ALL the talk of our lackluster offense and always playing "vanilla" The offense is actually performing better than any other time in UW history, now people would rather us go back to vanilla play calling.

Tough crowd.

We are at exactly 50% accuracy on 3rd down conversions this year (60-122), I don't recall a year when we were converting 3rd downs at a 50% rate.

Every offense, even the best offenses get stopped. Shoot, even Oregon punts. No one can convert on 3rd down every time. Shoot we're even around 50% when going for it on fourth, so that would bump that conversion rate up some more aswell.

Last week, most of our lack of time of possession came from Wyoming making BIG play scoring drives. Had WYO had the lead in the fourth quarter I'm sure you would've seen a different UW offense out there.

But really people it is seriously like their is no freaking pleasing any of you! You always are bitching about one thing or another. And if you are done bitching about one thing with no success, you go to the Extreme and bitch about the only fucking bright spot we have!

I'm convinced that we could go 14-0, win the conference championship, win a BCS bowl, have an offense that averaged 60 ppg, 350 passing a game, 300 rushing a game, total out almost 700 yards a game, covert 80% on 3rd down, give up 10 a game and only 250 yards overall a game and someone on this site would actually find something to bitch about! That just seems pathetic!

I think I speak for everyone when I say I hope this theory gets tested some day!

You and me both.

 

[cowboyz]

Yep. Slow playing the second half would have made sure we got blown out. Especially since SJSU had no problem with our defense. Doesn't matter if they are tired. They stopped blitzing and started playing cover 2 which they get burned on when they are fresh or late in the 4th quarter.

Again, maybe I am old school. SJSU scored at will. Why is it smarter to give them the opportunity to? Would have been a different game if our 2 minute average scoring drives in the second half were 9 minutes. But I know - UW needs to take what they can, when they can - to try and outscore the opponent. I don't think that philosophy will work - again - against Fresno, USU, or Boise. I hope I am way wrong by the way.

You're 100% correct, it's not smart to give them the ball, as we saw. Dave could have still used his speedy-quick offense if he is so married to it, but he could have gone with more running plays, to use the clock. For the fans of this style offense, the idea isn't to get off the field real quick (unless it's due to scoring), it's to get your play off before the defense is settled. Hell, we had a running back averaging a first down every time he touched the ball. Why didn't we grind it out a little? Wick wasn't 3 yards and cloud of dust, he was banging out the yards. Our Head Coach lost this game every bit as much as our ex-Defensive Coordinator, as he has so many times over. I have downgraded my opinion of Christensen. We all know he has no right being a Head Coach at this level, but I thought he'd be a good OC for us. But after last weekend, I believe he'd be better suited as a QB and receivers coach. Controlling a game isn't something he's so good at doing.

 

[kansasCowboy]

How about we skip the fucking lecture. What, really, is a message board for, but to share frustrations, ideas, thoughts, celebrations, wins, losses, etc.? If you don't like what is said, go ahead and disagree, but spare us all the mommy / daddy lecture.

My opinion - Wyoming is wasting offensive talent by trying to be Chip Kelly's Oregon. We don't have the O line, experience, and sure don't have the defense to do it right now. And as I said, take away 3 or 4 possessions from SJSU last Saturday, and UW wins.

Share frustrations. You said it, that's what I did. If you don't like it, don't comment.

Wasting offensive talent??? Is there some typo or did you get confused? How the hell is averaging 38 points a game, 290 passing, 230 rushing a game wasting offensive talent? Slowing down their offense and taking away potential big plays is wasting their talent...
Win or lose we have a QB who should have well over 3,000 yards and maybe 30 td passes by years end he may even have 700 yards rushing. Our Soph RB is on the verge of having a big 1,000 yard season himself after the entire offense last year barely ran for 1,000 as a whole! Not only that but he's on pace to break the all time rushing td mark In single season at UW. We have two wideouts who may hit 1,000 yards receiving this year. Rufran and Herron are very capable of hitting that mark. Gentry Ida fresh WR who will prob have over 500 yards rec by years end.
There is absolutely no waste there! We aren't trying to be Oregon, we are Wyoming! We are Brett Smith, Shaun Wick, Robert Herron, Dominic Rufran. We have our own talent and we are utilizing it.

The only thing I will agree o is the defense, but that's not the offenses problem.

 

[YankPoke]

How about we skip the fucking lecture. What, really, is a message board for, but to share frustrations, ideas, thoughts, celebrations, wins, losses, etc.? If you don't like what is said, go ahead and disagree, but spare us all the mommy / daddy lecture.

My opinion - Wyoming is wasting offensive talent by trying to be Chip Kelly's Oregon. We don't have the O line, experience, and sure don't have the defense to do it right now. And as I said, take away 3 or 4 possessions from SJSU last Saturday, and UW wins.

Share frustrations. You said it, that's what I did. If you don't like it, don't comment.

Wasting offensive talent??? Is there some typo or did you get confused? How the hell is averaging 38 points a game, 290 passing, 230 rushing a game wasting offensive talent? Slowing down their offense and taking away potential big plays is wasting their talent...
Win or lose we have a QB who should have well over 3,000 yards and maybe 30 td passes by years end he may even have 700 yards rushing. Our Soph RB is on the verge of having a big 1,000 yard season himself after the entire offense last year barely ran for 1,000 as a whole! Not only that but he's on pace to break the all time rushing td mark In single season at UW. We have two wideouts who may hit 1,000 yards receiving this year. Rufran and Herron are very capable of hitting that mark. Gentry Ida fresh WR who will prob have over 500 yards rec by years end.
There is absolutely no waste there! We aren't trying to be Oregon, we are Wyoming! We are Brett Smith, Shaun Wick, Robert Herron, Dominic Rufran. We have our own talent and we are utilizing it.

The only thing I will agree o is the defense, but that's not the offenses problem.

+1000 Kansas

 

[Brew_Poke]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

What is it about DC that you don't like, really? You didn't display this vehemence against Glenn.

 

[roozy]

Time to come out rejuvenated on D against Fresno. 2 weeks to prepare. Got to upset Fresno on ESPN. Play spoiler to their BCS run.

Don't care about being a spoiler. To me it's more important to preserve our perfect home record against them.

 

[HR_Poke]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

What is it about DC that you don't like, really? You didn't display this vehemence against Glenn.

I wonder the same thing. For as long as I can remember he seems to dislike just about everything about DC.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

From all I can remember he seems to dislike just about everything about....well....everything.

 

[Wyovanian]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

What is it about DC that you don't like, really? You didn't display this vehemence against Glenn.

I wonder the same thing. For as long as I can remember he seems to dislike just about everything about DC.

Utterly untrue. I was defending Christensen as late as early last season.

 

[Wyovanian]

From all I can remember he seems to dislike just about everything about....well....everything.

I'm just particular...

 

[Wyovanian]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

What is it about DC that you don't like, really? You didn't display this vehemence against Glenn.

I just see right through the guy. He's in over his head. His ability and character don't match his pay grade. Wish I'd seen it sooner...