Tormey Fired

[Wyovanian]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

 

[PokeOLoco]

SDPoke for possibly the first time ever I completely agree with you.

 

[HR_Poke]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

 

[Wyovanian]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

Where, exactly, did I say that?

 

[HR_Poke]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

Where, exactly, did I say that?

So we should pull a USC and fire the head coach now instead of the end of the year? What benefit does that give us?

 

[Wyovanian]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

Where, exactly, did I say that?

So we should pull a USC and fire the head coach now instead of the end of the year? What benefit does that give us?

Again, where exactly did I say that? I'm responding to the folks who are already giving Christensen another season regardless of the outcome of this one.

 

[HR_Poke]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

Where, exactly, did I say that?

So we should pull a USC and fire the head coach now instead of the end of the year? What benefit does that give us?

Again, where exactly did I say that? I'm responding to the folks who are already giving Christensen another season regardless of the outcome of this one.

You are responding but not offering any suggestion with which you think the team would improve. Most of us are in the here and now and are discussing how to make the team better now even if they end up firing DC at the end of the year.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I'd like to add in to the guy's talking about Hayes, at least this kid was in a position to get his hands on the ball. His only problem is he only 5-9(closer to 5-8). The guy I was disappointed with was Reese. He looked totally lost out there most of the time. Hope the kid's get fired up for Cain and can get this back on track.

I havent missed a single snap of cowboy football this season and honest to god, I had no idea Reese was still on this team....oooh.....Another person who has seemingly regressed (through my observations) is Huff. That dude is constantly out of position and constantly looks terrible. Then all of a sudden he makes a one handed interception that makes you think that hes back but then he resumes his always out-of-position-ness. Its frustrating. And don't give me the whole, "he makes a ton of tackles" argument. A safety leading games in tackling is NOT a good thing. It is far more indicative of the terrible overall team performance than his individual performance. AND WHY CAN HE NOT FORM TACKLE!!! Good god he has got to be the worst tackler on the team...If he even goes for the tackle and not try to strip the ball while the runner gains 15 more yards...

 

[Adv8RU12]

Here is the key to Mr. Dave's defensive choices: DO NOT LET HIM FIND AND HIRE THE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. The AD should do something possibly unheard of in college ball -- search and pick the DC without any input from Mr. Dave. If Mr. Dave doesn't like it, point out where he has failed in the defensive area and hand him his walking papers.

 

[Wyovanian]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

Where, exactly, did I say that?

So we should pull a USC and fire the head coach now instead of the end of the year? What benefit does that give us?

Again, where exactly did I say that? I'm responding to the folks who are already giving Christensen another season regardless of the outcome of this one.

You are responding but not offering any suggestion with which you think the team would improve. Most of us are in the here and now and are discussing how to make the team better now even if they end up firing DC at the end of the year.

Unless you know how to change a human being overnight, it's not going to happen. I will still watch the games and support the players and the program, but I will reserve my support for the Head Coach himself unless and until he proves my beliefs wrong.

We've got us a Monty when we need us a Patton...

 

[HR_Poke]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

Where, exactly, did I say that?

So we should pull a USC and fire the head coach now instead of the end of the year? What benefit does that give us?

Again, where exactly did I say that? I'm responding to the folks who are already giving Christensen another season regardless of the outcome of this one.

You are responding but not offering any suggestion with which you think the team would improve. Most of us are in the here and now and are discussing how to make the team better now even if they end up firing DC at the end of the year.

Unless you know how to change a human being overnight, it's not going to happen. I will still watch the games and support the players and the program, but I will reserve my support for the Head Coach himself unless and until he proves my beliefs wrong.

We've got us a Monty when we need us a Patton...

It's easy. You tell him to change certain things like playing more aggresively before the half, fix his half time motivation, and fix his defense or he's fired at the end of the year. Either he fixes it or you get a new coach.

 

[Wyovanian]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

Where, exactly, did I say that?

So we should pull a USC and fire the head coach now instead of the end of the year? What benefit does that give us?

Again, where exactly did I say that? I'm responding to the folks who are already giving Christensen another season regardless of the outcome of this one.

You are responding but not offering any suggestion with which you think the team would improve. Most of us are in the here and now and are discussing how to make the team better now even if they end up firing DC at the end of the year.

Unless you know how to change a human being overnight, it's not going to happen. I will still watch the games and support the players and the program, but I will reserve my support for the Head Coach himself unless and until he proves my beliefs wrong.

We've got us a Monty when we need us a Patton...

It's easy. You tell him to change certain things like playing more aggresively before the half, fix his half time motivation, and fix his defense or he's fired at the end of the year. Either he fixes it or you get a new coach.

It's easy? Okay, I'll sit back and see how that works out...

One of the things they teach you in troubleshooting and fixing dysfunctional organizations is to identify the "on-board terrorists" and neutralize them. If the on-board terrorist is one of the guys flying the plane, you go from fixing to re-building.

 

[HR_Poke]

Worth a shot, if our defense is worth 2 shits we should be about a 2 loss team

You understand that despite a few different DC's, our defense under Christensen has always sucked, that he hasn't been able to make half time adjustments on either side of the ball and that special teams coverage has regressed under him, right?

Where, exactly does the buck stop as far as you're concerned? At what point do you hold Christensen accountable for this team?

You do realize also that DC probably feels the pressure on him for the first time in his career at Wyoming, and is now going to do what he can to win and win now.
We talked about how DC was on the hot-seat last year, but we all knew that Burman wasn't going to do anything.

Now though, now it's real.
Why else would he fire him with 4 games left?

And really, people could say the same exact things about Bronco Mendenhall at BYU a few years ago, and Texas, this season.

Sometimes a change can help.
Hopefully this is one of the times the defense improves, and the Pokes can go on to win at least 3 more games this season.

From what I've seen of Christensen, I think he lacks the fundamental character and leadership skills for the position. I'm not, like some would suggest, "cheering for us to lose", but sometimes you just need to rip the bandage off, hair and all.

I have zero faith in our Head Coach at this point based on all of the evidence before me. Anyone advocating, short of a competitively played bowl game, that he get another season has their head in the sand.

So the only acceptable course of action is to fire the entire staff midseason?

Where, exactly, did I say that?

So we should pull a USC and fire the head coach now instead of the end of the year? What benefit does that give us?

Again, where exactly did I say that? I'm responding to the folks who are already giving Christensen another season regardless of the outcome of this one.

You are responding but not offering any suggestion with which you think the team would improve. Most of us are in the here and now and are discussing how to make the team better now even if they end up firing DC at the end of the year.

Unless you know how to change a human being overnight, it's not going to happen. I will still watch the games and support the players and the program, but I will reserve my support for the Head Coach himself unless and until he proves my beliefs wrong.

We've got us a Monty when we need us a Patton...

It's easy. You tell him to change certain things like playing more aggresively before the half, fix his half time motivation, and fix his defense or he's fired at the end of the year. Either he fixes it or you get a new coach.

It's easy? Okay, I'll sit back and see how that works out...

One of the things they teach you in troubleshooting and fixing dysfunctional organizations is to identify the "on-board terrorists" and neutralize them. If the on-board terrorist is one of the guys flying the plane, you go from fixing to re-building.

I doubt Burman does that. But you give him consturctive criticism and if he chooses to ignore it and continues committing the same mistakes then you fire them. It's part of the reason Burman needs to be fired. He isn't actively trying to fix issues.

 

[kansasCowboy]

After ALL the talk of our lackluster offense and always playing "vanilla" The offense is actually performing better than any other time in UW history, now people would rather us go back to vanilla play calling.

Tough crowd.

We are at exactly 50% accuracy on 3rd down conversions this year (60-122), I don't recall a year when we were converting 3rd downs at a 50% rate.

Every offense, even the best offenses get stopped. Shoot, even Oregon punts. No one can convert on 3rd down every time. Shoot we're even around 50% when going for it on fourth, so that would bump that conversion rate up some more aswell.

Last week, most of our lack of time of possession came from Wyoming making BIG play scoring drives. Had WYO had the lead in the fourth quarter I'm sure you would've seen a different UW offense out there.

But really people it is seriously like their is no freaking pleasing any of you! You always are bitching about one thing or another. And if you are done bitching about one thing with no success, you go to the Extreme and bitch about the only fucking bright spot we have!

I'm convinced that we could go 14-0, win the conference championship, win a BCS bowl, have an offense that averaged 60 ppg, 350 passing a game, 300 rushing a game, total out almost 700 yards a game, covert 80% on 3rd down, give up 10 a game and only 250 yards overall a game and someone on this site would actually find something to bitch about! That just seems pathetic!

 

[McPeachy]

After ALL the talk of our lackluster offense and always playing "vanilla" The offense is actually performing better than any other time in UW history, now people would rather us go back to vanilla play calling.

Tough crowd.

We are at exactly 50% accuracy on 3rd down conversions this year (60-122), I don't recall a year when we were converting 3rd downs at a 50% rate.

Every offense, even the best offenses get stopped. Shoot, even Oregon punts. No one can convert on 3rd down every time. Shoot we're even around 50% when going for it on fourth, so that would bump that conversion rate up some more aswell.

Last week, most of our lack of time of possession came from Wyoming making BIG play scoring drives. Had WYO had the lead in the fourth quarter I'm sure you would've seen a different UW offense out there.

But really people it is seriously like their is no freaking pleasing any of you! You always are bitching about one thing or another. And if you are done bitching about one thing with no success, you go to the Extreme and bitch about the only fucking bright spot we have!

I'm convinced that we could go 14-0, win the conference championship, win a BCS bowl, have an offense that averaged 60 ppg, 350 passing a game, 300 rushing a game, total out almost 700 yards a game, covert 80% on 3rd down, give up 10 a game and only 250 yards overall a game and someone on this site would actually find something to bitch about! That just seems pathetic!

:lol:

Huh?

How about we skip the fucking lecture. What, really, is a message board for, but to share frustrations, ideas, thoughts, celebrations, wins, losses, etc.? If you don't like what is said, go ahead and disagree, but spare us all the mommy / daddy lecture.

My opinion - Wyoming is wasting offensive talent by trying to be Chip Kelly's Oregon. We don't have the O line, experience, and sure don't have the defense to do it right now. And as I said, take away 3 or 4 possessions from SJSU last Saturday, and UW wins.

 

[COS Cowboy]

:lol:

Huh?

How about we skip the fucking lecture. What, really, is a message board for, but to share frustrations, ideas, thoughts, celebrations, wins, losses, etc.? If you don't like what is said, go ahead and disagree, but spare us all the mommy / daddy lecture.

My opinion - Wyoming is wasting offensive talent by trying to be Chip Kelly's Oregon. We don't have the O line, experience, and sure don't have the defense to do it right now. And as I said, take away 3 or 4 possessions from SJSU last Saturday, and UW wins.

That would take away 3-4 of our possessions as well. You sure we still win? We were back and forth through the third and 4th quarters. Only way we win convincingly is to end the game at the half. We can't play that slow.

 

[YankPoke]

I agree with Kansas, we have a top 10 offense in the country in a lot of statistical categories, the issue is not the offense, nor the hurry up they are both very effective and there is no debating that. The entire problem of this football team lies solely on the defensive side of the football, and in my opinion a lot f that is from the safeties. Most of the big plays in that football game came from the safeties being out of position and letting the wide reciever get behind them, which should NEVER happen when you have deep responsibility. The corners rely on the safeties for deep help, but there wasn't any in that game.

 

[HR_Poke]

:lol:

Huh?

How about we skip the fucking lecture. What, really, is a message board for, but to share frustrations, ideas, thoughts, celebrations, wins, losses, etc.? If you don't like what is said, go ahead and disagree, but spare us all the mommy / daddy lecture.

My opinion - Wyoming is wasting offensive talent by trying to be Chip Kelly's Oregon. We don't have the O line, experience, and sure don't have the defense to do it right now. And as I said, take away 3 or 4 possessions from SJSU last Saturday, and UW wins.

That would take away 3-4 of our possessions as well. You sure we still win? We were back and forth through the third and 4th quarters. Only way we win convincingly is to end the game at the half. We can't play that slow.

Yep. Slow playing the second half would have made sure we got blown out. Especially since SJSU had no problem with our defense. Doesn't matter if they are tired. They stopped blitzing and started playing cover 2 which they get burned on when they are fresh or late in the 4th quarter.

 

[DocHolliday]

This should be taken by anyone with even 1/2 a brain that DC is much aware that his job hangs in the balance these last few games...anything to get an edge moving forward.

I still think he's toast at the end of the season.

 

[WyoBrandX]

If it is true what Jarhead said (I have no reason to not believe him), then getting rid of our DC wasn't a bad idea at all. If the defense doesn't know what they are supposed to be doing when they are on the field, that really needs to be fixed, and the DC is directly responsible for that (followed shortly by the HC).

I hope the interim DC take the next two weeks to send the defensive guys through defensive school. When X lines up like this, do Y. Improvise here if necessary.

Study some game film - this is how the opponent lines up, this is the possible options of how that play can be sucessful. Now disrupt it.

We just need to score more than the opponent does. Unfortunately, lately, we haven't had a problem scoring, we couldn't stop the other team from scoring.