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Took some time off Wyonation...

McPeachy

McPeachy

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Haven't posted for a couple weeks...and for good reason(s). I took my advise from last year, and decided to avoid posting the day of / day after losses. One week led to another...and I have spent a good amount of time reading through all threads. We are a pretty entertaining bunch! From fire the coach, to give it 7 years, to drop down a level, and everything in between. And a few new posters...YabadabaDino, Stutzreim, etc. Good stuff :lol:

And now...for just a few of my thoughts:

1. Can't blame this horrific start / debacle on Burman. Although I would certainly like to, this isn't on him (at least not right now, and not just these 2 losses - it is deeper than that). Burman first deserved to have his job be hedged on Schroyer. And he next deserved to have his job be hedged on Dickface. And he deserves to have his job now hedge on Bohl...3 strikes in the major revenue sports, I guess. So we will see if Bohl turns into Vic, or gets it going. Jury is out now more than ever. Surely Burman drops down to his knees on a daily basis, and thanks everyone and the sweet Lord that Shyatt was handed to him. Can you imagine...if we had Schroyer caliber teams in the AA still?

2. I think the "implement his system" or "recruit his guys" are bullshit excuses. He had what, 20 seniors on the squad last year? A year we basically were a 2 & 10 team (I mean come on, FAU & AFA should have been losses). He had time to recruit the first class, but elected (and was allowed) to stay at NDSU and win another championship. As odd as that whole process was, we are paying for it now. Can Bohl & staff recruit an entire class of FBS athletes / players? Can he recruit one or two, here or there - yep, so far that is what he has accomplished. Can he (and his staff) really evaluate the talent / athletes UW needs to have to be MWC champions? Doesn't appear to look that way. And yes, we are certainly young, but so is Florida State & NCST (who by the way is playing more Freshman / RS Freshman that we are right now).

3. Sadly, these 2 losses are the worst in modern - day Wyoming football history (40 years let's say). There is more important shit to do with my time & money, than continually invest and watch a product that isn't as passionate about itself...as I am about it. I feel for these kids - they are under coached and over matched. Apathy say you? No, it is much worse than that. This is fanbase changing bad. As in, like what happened to the Wyoming basketball fanbase during the Buckymac & Schroyer debacle (that is all on Burman by the way). We are still recovering in the AA (and we are MW-Fucking-C champions)! I am afraid, after this year on the gridiron, we are going to have to re-implement the "strive for 20k fans in the stands" all over again. We are going to see levels of fan support drop so low, that they will rival San Jose State.

Enough for now... :coffee:
 
Yeah, this is a tough stretch, even for our standards. I don't blame fans for trying to rationalize things and getting angry. Expectations for 2015 are as low as ever, things can only get better. But yeah, many set the bar for this Bohl era very high. That won't change, but it feels like Wyo is a galaxy away from those goals right now.

That said, this is the beauty of college football. If the team plays WSU close or even shocks them, perception changes. At this point, I just want to avoid 0-12.
 
J-Rod said:
Yeah, this is a tough stretch, even for our standards. I don't blame fans for trying to rationalize things and getting angry. Expectations for 2015 are as low as ever, things can only get better. But yeah, many set the bar for this Bohl era very high. That won't change, but it feels like Wyo is a galaxy away from those goals right now.

That said, this is the beauty of college football. If the team plays WSU close or even shocks them, perception changes. At this point, I just want to avoid 0-12.
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I am not sure that happens J-Rod. I haven't seen a Wyoming team play this bad. Ever. I may not have seen any team play this bad. Ever. And that most recently includes Locksley's Lobos teams.
 
HR_Poke said:
If we go 0-12 it's going to be damn hard to recruit, and keep the ones we have if they are any good.
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Good point.

Attrition may be a huge killer. That will be squarely and firmly on the shoulders of the coaches.

You know my fears...
 
McPeachy said:
HR_Poke said:
If we go 0-12 it's going to be damn hard to recruit, and keep the ones we have if they are any good.
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Good point.

Attrition may be a huge killer. That will be squarely and firmly on the shoulders of the coaches.

You know my fears...
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Yep. It's also why I can't understand the "all is well we are rebuilding" crowd. I don't think they understand how hard it will be to rebuild if you can't show recruits that your system works.
 
I was wondering when you would show back up cuz I was curious what you would have to say. Here are my thoughts afte 2 weeks.

No doubt about it these are the 2 worst loses in program history(at least my lifetime) but I am actually a little higher on the team this week than I was last week. Maybe it is because I have already jumped off the ledge after week 1 and others were still holiding on. MAybe it was because I didn't force myself to sit in the WAR and watch it live. I went down to watch the Rams loss to "my" gophers(haha....is it time to pick new teams, and if it is shouldn't I pick a better one than Minnesota). So I atleast got to see the sheep fans be sad so that was nice. I have watched most of our game on the DVR and unlike the first game there were some positives.

I am starting to come around and am not too worried about our offense. When we get Cam back and can actually complete a pass I think we can be good on that side of the ball. Our run game will be good to great. Depending how much of that performance was EMU being horrible at rush defense. We made some good adjustments there after the first game and that was great to see. Allen looks like the qb of the future and I will be excited to see him next year. Hopefully Cam can stay healthy the rest of the year and/or Smith gets coached up a bunch.

Now onto the bad....The defense there are 3 causes/potential casues that I see could be our issue on defense:
1.We are extremely young and guys are still learning the defense.
2. The Tampa 2 defense. I really don't like it and am not sure it can work at this level anymore against these offenses we will face.
3. Steve Stanard. It has been discussed before by other posters his failurs as DC so I will leave that to them.

I hope that our main issues are mostly number 1 and less of 2 and 3. If they are we should see progress as the year goes on and maybe even win a few games. If the problems are more of 2 and 3 then the D isn't going to get much better and I don't see us having much chance to win 1 game. The one thing that is really worrisome is the D-line. Our starters are not young and inexperienced, we need to be getting good pressure and we are not which puts are already inexperienced secondary in a worse spot.

Now that I have thrown in the towel on the season part of me is intrigued to watch how this team grows/responds to this year. See if any of these young guys get better and step up. See if we make progress as the year goes on. That would be a great sign for me. Hopefully we start seeing something starting this week.
 
It is greatly unfair that a team that had 6,000 people at its home opener piss pounded us, with the amount of money we spend/give, and the amount of passionate fans we have. I think that's one of the things that hurts the most, and as McPeachy alluded to, I think our fanbase is being pushed to the brink right now and I don't want to see it break.
 
A lot of people use E. Illinois' shellacking of SDSU as evidence how a FCS beat down is not that bad.

SDSU followed up by getting creamed by a highly ranked OSU and then played the other OSU pretty tough in the 3rd game of the season. They rallied that season and ended up in a bowl game.

Point being, our loss and situation is completely different. They had a bad game and we just suck. I'm with you McPeach in that I'm very concerned at the talent level coming in.

Maybe everything is roses, but, damn, I never even considered that it was possible to get this much worse.
 
HR_Poke said:
anyone else notice that our DT's are on the ground just about every play? WTF is up with that?
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Not sure, considering how strong they are supposed to be. Yarbrough kept making it through and chasing their QB, but since ZERO other players ever got through, he was essentially just chasing the QB from behind (and obviously wasn't going to catch up) who rolled out until he found somebody downfield.

If Yarbrough had even a TINY bit of help so there would've been angles to take, he could've had 5-6 sacks.
 
Asmodeanreborn said:
HR_Poke said:
anyone else notice that our DT's are on the ground just about every play? WTF is up with that?
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Not sure, considering how strong they are supposed to be. Yarbrough kept making it through and chasing their QB, but since ZERO other players ever got through, he was essentially just chasing the QB from behind (and obviously wasn't going to catch up) who rolled out until he found somebody downfield.

If Yarbrough had even a TINY bit of help so there would've been angles to take, he could've had 5-6 sacks.
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Olive used to get through the line a couple times a game. And for some reason this year he spends most plays on the turf. I can't imagine he lost that much strength in a year. Unless they over worked them this summer and fall.
 
Yeah...

I suppose if Yarbrough could run a 4.25 40 he wouldn't need to rely on anybody else to help him catch the QB, though, so ultimately it's his own fault.

:D
 
chance he's being double teamed? I honestly don't know if he is or not? We look slow in space, and Eddie has to go through the entire O line to get to the quarterback who can just roll out of the pocket, hit a wide open receiver, and watch our slow poor tackling defense miss 3-4 tackles on their way to a 50 yard TD that should've been anything from a sack to a 7 yard gain.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
A lot of people use E. Illinois' shellacking of SDSU as evidence how a FCS beat down is not that bad.

SDSU followed up by getting creamed by a highly ranked OSU and then played the other OSU pretty tough in the 3rd game of the season. They rallied that season and ended up in a bowl game.

Point being, our loss and situation is completely different. They had a bad game and we just suck. I'm with you McPeach in that I'm very concerned at the talent level coming in.

Maybe everything is roses, but, damn, I never even considered that it was possible to get this much worse.
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I used this example after week one when we didn't know for sure how good North Dakota was or wasn't and in the hopes that maybe they would be like E. Illinois a couple of years ago and Wyoming would end up being like SDSU but I also stated that what I wrote about all that depended up on what happened in the EMU game and things didn't go quite like I thought they would. So I do agree now that we know North Dakota isn't that great and Wyoming sucks that those two situations are not the same.

I agree with people that say it can take time to rebuild but I also have to say things don't look good for Bohl in that area as of right now. A lot of the programs that took time to rebuild improved from year one to year two. Maybe not all of them but most. Usually they would go 1-11 the first year and then go 3-9 or 4-8 the 2nd year. If we go from 4-8 to 0-12 then I want someone to show me where any rebuilt program has went from 4-8 to 0-12 in the 2nd year and then over the next 3 years after had the program where they wanted it.

I agree with McPeachy that this is looking more like the Mike Locksley years at UNM after two games then it is Gary Anderson at Utah St.

If we do go 0-12 then not sure how we overcome that. Since it is only two games into the season I will hope we somehow manage at least 3 wins but realistically speaking I don't even see how we win 2 games. May the football heavens be on our side.
 
LasCrucesPoke said:
chance he's being double teamed? I honestly don't know if he is or not? We look slow in space, and Eddie has to go through the entire O line to get to the quarterback who can just roll out of the pocket, hit a wide open receiver, and watch our slow poor tackling defense miss 3-4 tackles on their way to a 50 yard TD that should've been anything from a sack to a 7 yard gain.
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If he were getting double teamed you would expect the other DT, DE's or even one of the LB's to get into the backfield more. But most plays Olive and who ever else is in at DT are flat on their back. It's mind numbing that they get no penetration.
 
I deleted my app Friday. I never checked Wyonation once until today. Wow, lots of threads to not read.

I can't add any more that hasn't already been said here.

FCS isn't the answer. I don't have an answer. I am lost. I can't imagine how lost Bohl feels.
 
djm19 said:
I deleted my app Friday. I never checked Wyonation once until today. Wow, lots of threads to not read.

I can't add any more that hasn't already been said here.

FCS isn't the answer. I don't have an answer. I am lost. I can't imagine how lost Bohl feels.
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Like someone who is getting paid a shitload of money to field the worst team in school history. We should all be allowed to get paid so much to do so little.
 
Excellent post as usual, McPeachy. What struck me sitting in the stands on Saturday was how small we looked on both sides of the ball. They literally pushed us around at will the entire first half. We never got a running game going until the outcome was already decided.

For those excited about Josh Allen: If he's so good, why wasn't he starting ahead of Coffman? Either the coaches don't know who to play or his few impressive series were against a substandard defense. Perhaps I'm completely off on what I saw Saturday. But this isn't about x's and o's. It's about size and speed and we don't have either one.
 
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