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Three Current and Future MWC Teams in the Bottom 10


Now that's a bold, or delusional, perspective.

I don't think the 2 pac rejects are going to be the best conference mates. They went from whipping boy doormats to some eerie false sense of value and superiority.

In stages of grief, they are stuck in denial. Denial that they are nothing more than g6.
 
Could that sentiment be based on the something like 76-124 record in conference play since being included in the MWC?

Even the sacred CB only managed a 37-41 in the MWC, but with him winning nearly half of the games won in MWC in 10 of the 27 years to date of conference play it felt like we had become a conference powerhouse.

Maybe .474 in conference play is enough to say we are doing just fine!

If Sawful wins the next 2 he will be .454 in conference play and right on track to be the next CB! Maybe not such a tall order except I am extremely skeptical Calhoun doesn’t put a pounding on the Pokes in lightening fashion.
I’ll go ahead and assume the bolded part of your post was sarcasm — because if not, your bar for “success” must be buried somewhere under War Memorial’s turf.

My point was pretty simple: if we win a lot, we’ll be fine. There’s no alternate universe where we’re “fine” without winning.

On the flip side, it doesn’t take much imagination to picture what things could look like if we ever won at a Boise-State-type clip — packed stadium, national relevance, people actually excited to follow the team again.

The formula isn’t complicated. We just haven’t come close to solving it in a long time.
 
I’ll go ahead and assume the bolded part of your post was sarcasm — because if not, your bar for “success” must be buried somewhere under War Memorial’s turf.

My point was pretty simple: if we win a lot, we’ll be fine. There’s no alternate universe where we’re “fine” without winning.

On the flip side, it doesn’t take much imagination to picture what things could look like if we ever won at a Boise-State-type clip — packed stadium, national relevance, people actually excited to follow the team again.

The formula isn’t complicated. We just haven’t come close to solving it in a long time.
I think everything will turn out well if we win. But we have to win
 
I’ll go ahead and assume the bolded part of your post was sarcasm — because if not, your bar for “success” must be buried somewhere under War Memorial’s turf.

My point was pretty simple: if we win a lot, we’ll be fine. There’s no alternate universe where we’re “fine” without winning.

On the flip side, it doesn’t take much imagination to picture what things could look like if we ever won at a Boise-State-type clip — packed stadium, national relevance, people actually excited to follow the team again.

The formula isn’t complicated. We just haven’t come close to solving it in a long time.
I was serious that the AD talked about the success of getting to bowl games like we were already on that Boise style win mode.

I have referenced this before, but several years ago (Glenn era) I was invited to forums on how to increase attendance and support where I emphasized winning and winning routinely in conference. Most of the dumbshit Wyoming fans could only come up with stuff like don’t have home games during hunting season, play late afternoon games so kids soccer in Cheyenne doesn’t interfere with games, start earlier so people can drive to Sheridan after the game and get home before dark.

The formula is simple - compete for the conference championship constantly and win it. Can anyone remember the AA in the early 2000’s when winning the conference?
 
I was serious that the AD talked about the success of getting to bowl games like we were already on that Boise style win mode.

I have referenced this before, but several years ago (Glenn era) I was invited to forums on how to increase attendance and support where I emphasized winning and winning routinely in conference. Most of the dumbshit Wyoming fans could only come up with stuff like don’t have home games during hunting season, play late afternoon games so kids soccer in Cheyenne doesn’t interfere with games, start earlier so people can drive to Sheridan after the game and get home before dark.

The formula is simple - compete for the conference championship constantly and win it. Can anyone remember the AA in the early 2000’s when winning the conference?
The rah rah from University AD's around making some small bowl has never bothered me. Every school puts a positive spin on making a bowl game...what bothers me is the year on year mediocre or worse results. I do remember you telling me about those forums, those comments blow my mind.... must be very casual fans making those.

+1000 to memories of the AA from the early 2000's though.
 
The only thing is lack of winning. The only thing significantly impacted by lack of winning is potentially being asked to join the pac. I guess also not going to the playoff, but that's like not favorite nfl team not making divisional championships. Bowls we have access to, tv money/time, conference we are in (sans potentially pac if that's what you wanted), etc. are all mostly out of our control. The crap bowl argument is not a good one because the MWC's bowl tie-ins are crap. Crap is the option.

Those of us not satisfied are not satisfied because we historically suck at every sport. Some of us have seen different eras where that's not the case. Much of the student body wasn't alive or was just born during Rat Boy's tenure. Go back 18 to 20 years and look at athletic department success. To the new student body failure is probably the expectation. Bohl was the only thing that even smelled like winning.
 
Every year is different. They new look MWC in 2026 will be better then the rebuilt Pac-12. The arrogance of Oregon St and Wazzu just diluted what a joint Pac-12/MW merger could have been.
 
Every year is different. They new look MWC in 2026 will be better then the rebuilt Pac-12. The arrogance of Oregon St and Wazzu just diluted what a joint Pac-12/MW merger could have been.
WTF!?!? The new look MWC is pure garbage in football. Looking at this year’s performances in computer ranking systems such as Sagarin, the new MWC conference would be the WORST FBS conference and is WORSE than the Missouri Valley and Big Sky.

Let’s not lie to ourselves to make us feel good. Starting next year, we are undeniably in a really bad conference. Putting all the worst teams in a single conference so the bad teams can get a few more wins does not mean that the conference or teams have improved.
 
Sagarin Computer Ratings:

North Dakota State - 38

Boise St. - 46

South Dakota State - 53

Montana State - 60

UNLV - 70

SDSU - 75

Texas St. - 79

Washington St. - 85

North Dakota - 84

Hawaii - 92

Montana - 93

Utah St. - 102

Fresno St. - 103

Colorado St. - 104

UC Davis - 105

New Mexico - 106

San Jose State - 107

Wyoming - 108

Southern Illinois - 114

Air Force - 119

Sacramento State - 123

Oregon St. - 132

Youngstown State - 134

Missouri State - 136

South Dakota - 139

Northern Illinois - 142

Idaho - 146

Northern Arizona - 150

UTEP - 155

Nevada - 167

Illinois State - 170

Idaho State - 179

Northern Colorado - 183

Northern Illinois - 186

Eastern Washington = 187

Weber State - 199

Portland State = 223

Indiana State - 248

Murray State - 252
 
WTF!?!? The new look MWC is pure garbage in football. Looking at this year’s performances in computer ranking systems such as Sagarin, the new MWC conference would be the WORST FBS conference and is WORSE than the Missouri Valley and Big Sky.

Let’s not lie to ourselves to make us feel good. Starting next year, we are undeniably in a really bad conference. Putting all the worst teams in a single conference so the bad teams can get a few more wins does not mean that the conference or teams have improved.
So this year rankings determines the future? Interesting.
 
So this year rankings determines the future? Interesting.
We can also look at the impressive football pasts of Nevada, SJSU, Hawaii, UTEP, Wyoming UNLV and New Mexico football if you prefer.

Just because you put all the worst teams in a conference and suddenly some of the worst teams get more wins (because that must occur when you have a game with one winner each time), does not mean the conference improves. If our goal is to get ‘wins’ against crap competition, we should immediately join the RMAC or something.
 
We can look at how poor OSU and WAZZU look this year.... They are dog wash.... no wonder no P$ conf wanted them... They can go play with the Disloyal 5 and pretend to be a decent conf..... I wont watch that crap.... IMHO I think Chris Murray is spot on: Northern Illinois should immediately become one of the MW's top football programs, having won five MAC titles with 11 winnings seasons in the last 15 years. In terms of football power in 2026, UNLV, Air Force and NIU would appear to be the top dogs post-realignment.

Ranking all Sports:

1. UNLV: The Rebels are on the ascent in football, dominant in women's basketball and have typically been solid in men's basketball, although that program has not made an NCAA Tournament since 2013, which was its last in a string of six berths in a seven-year period. UNLV is typically good in golf, swim and dive and tennis and solid in softball and baseball, although that sport could use a boost. UNLV could have joined the new Pac-12. Now it's the big fish in the smaller pond that is the MW.

2. New Mexico: Since the MW's current membership formed in 2013, New Mexico has the league's second-most titles with 42, trailing only SDSU's 46. A lot of this success comes down to men's and women's cross country and men's and women's track and field, which have combined for 19 conference championships since 2013. But New Mexico is good in men's and women's basketball; men's and women's golf; and baseball. It must fix a football program that has largely lagged.

3. Grand Canyon: Of the newcomers, Grand Canyon is the most to get excited about even though the Antelopes don't have a football program — Could it add one down the road? A relatively new Division I athletic department, GCU has funded sports at a high level, and it's paid off. Grand Canyon should compete for MW titles in a number of sports immediately, including men's basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball and track and field. The Antelopes won 12 WAC titles during the 2023-24 season.

4. Air Force: The Falcons have won 16 MW titles since 2013, which puts its third among the six remaining MW schools behind only New Mexico (42) and UNLV (28). A lot of that success is cross country and track and field, which are really strong programs (nine combined titles). Falcons football is coming off a down year (5-7) but should regularly compete for MW titles in the new conference. Baseball has been sneaky good, too. Men's basketball has been a sore spot, though.

5. San Jose State: After gigantic struggles in its first several seasons in the MW, SJSU has improved competitively in recent years with a MW football title in 2020 and three straight bowl berths from 2022-24; a nationally elite women's golf program; and some success in women's soccer (five MW titles) and baseball. The issue here are the basketball programs, which have combined for just two winning seasons since the move to the MW in 2013 (the women in 2019-20 and the men in 2022-23).

6. Hawaii: Adding Hawaii as a full member was a no-brainer for the MW. The Rainbow Warriors have some instability in administration (popular AD Craig Angelos was controversially fired last month), but Hawaii has an elite volleyball program and should help the MW in baseball. Men's and women's basketball and softball are usually solid, too. Football hasn't been good since joining the MW (63-102 overall, 34-69 in league), which holds back an otherwise solid athletic department.

7. Nevada: The Wolf Pack has the longest active title drought among MW schools as it'd been nearly 1,000 days since its last title (men's tennis, April 2022). Men's basketball has been one of the league's top teams over the last decade, but football has been in the gutter (7-30 in the last three seasons, including 2-21 in league). Baseball; women's swimming and diving; and men's golf have had some high points in the MW era, but Nevada will not immediately be an elite department in the new MW.

8. Wyoming: As much as Nevada has struggled, the Cowboys have even fewer MW titles than the Wolf Pack since the current membership formed in 2013 — just five to Nevada's 10. Women's soccer has had its high points as has women's basketball. The football program was solid under Craig Bohl, but the first season under his predecessor, Jay Sawvel, didn't go very well (a 3-9 record). Men's basketball has just two top-five league finishes under the current membership, too.

9. UTEP: Most of the schools in the MW are good in football or men's basketball, the revenue sports. That's not the case for UTEP, which has two winning football seasons since 2006 (both 7-6 years) with its last league title in 2000. In men's basketball, the Miners last made an NCAA Tournament in 2010, also the last time it won a league title. The program has way-back history and is 12-3 this year. There's some upside potential here, but it must be mined (pun intended).

10. UC Davis: The MW's most surprising addition was UC Davis as a non-football members (the Aggies' solid football team will stay in the FCS). UC Davis joined Division I in 2004. Since then, it's been OK in men's basketball and better in women's basketball. It could make an immediate impact in women's track and field/cross country and men's and women's golf. It will be interesting to see if UC Davis eventually tries to move its football program to the FBS to join the MW.



 
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