The argument to end the drop to FCS argument

[Lost Poke]

You could copy and paste this argument from this board to the Boomerang letters to the editor in 1989.

 

[SDPokeFan]

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

So hypothetically when you choose to play in a summer softball league, you choose to play in Division 10 so that you can win and make yourself feel good rather than face any real competition?

While I will always choose to play in a league where the players might be a bit more talented than me and where winning might be more difficult because I have something...wait for it...called PRIDE!

So you're proud of that North Dakota and Eastern Michigan loss? I don't get the logic there.

 

[MrTitleist]

If someone has the time, there's a study on the interwebs where UW did a feasibility study a few years ago about the pros and cons of moving down.. the study overwhelmingly said moving down would kill UW athletics, and UW as a university would lose money. It's out there, someone find it.

 

[SDPokeFan]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

Name someone who has done it?

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

I don't think you know what FCS is.

So nobody is going to answer the question. That's what I thought. You'd take the FCS championships in a heartbeat. It's moving down and still failing that scares you. And if you say you'd rather root for a 3-win team for 10 years than six championships, well that simply proves you don't care about winning, which is what I suspect about some of you.

I've already answered your question in another thread. What is the point in losing to the likes of UNLV by 30 and then beating up on Southern Utah's, Idaho St's, UNI's, Fort Lewis's and going 14-1 and thumping our chest, calling ourselves a Nat. Champ? We lost to a nobody and we beat a bunch of nobodies. We are at this point a good nobody.

I'd rather strive to succeed where we're at.

And don't be so petty and cocky saying you got private messages agreeing with you. You may have. But I have too.
And you may have some friends who think the same thing, people in your train of thought generally cluster together, because there aren't very many of you (in the overall scheme) to go around. I'm sure for every one of those who believe we should drop FBS, there are probably 25 to 30 who say we don't drop or lose football altogether.
You keep preaching it, because you keep trying to convert people on here to your thought process of going FCS.

...it isn't working.

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

 

[OrediggerPoke]

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

So hypothetically when you choose to play in a summer softball league, you choose to play in Division 10 so that you can win and make yourself feel good rather than face any real competition?

While I will always choose to play in a league where the players might be a bit more talented than me and where winning might be more difficult because I have something...wait for it...called PRIDE!

So you're proud of that North Dakota and Eastern Michigan loss? I don't get the logic there.

I believe that logic often escapes you.

 

[Cowduck]

Add me to the chorus of people who would care much more about a Wyoming team that struggles in FBS over a FCS powerhouse. "Winning" doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's about who you play. I bet you're fired up to beat a five-year-old at a game of HORSE. Your claim that I "don't care about winning" with my preference for FBS struggle over FCS dominance is so mystifyingly stupid that it doesn't really deserve response.

Again, NOBODY CARES about FCS championships. They don't. I make dismissive wanking motions when a Montana fan bleats about their team. I would expect every other college football fan to do the same if we became a Big Sky powerhouse.

And this isn't just about fan identity and ego. If athletics are the front porch of the university and college football is the marquee event, it would seriously damage the university's image if we gave up on trying to play with the big kids. It would be a disaster from a marketing, recruiting, and donor attraction perspective.

 

[Wyokie]

To answer a question asked by several of you, NO university that has football has EVER voluntarily dropped a level.

One non-football school has, Centenary of Louisiana, and the only reason was they nearly went bankrupted after Hurricane Katrina. Centenary is currently in Division III as a member of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference. They joined that conference in 2012 after being in the American Southwest Conference for one year (2011) AFTER being a member of the Summit League (Division I) from 2003 to 2011.

Any questions?

Moving down is a super bad idea. Only a complete idiot or a CSU fan would want that.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

Name someone who has done it?

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

I don't think you know what FCS is.

So nobody is going to answer the question. That's what I thought. You'd take the FCS championships in a heartbeat. It's moving down and still failing that scares you. And if you say you'd rather root for a 3-win team for 10 years than six championships, well that simply proves you don't care about winning, which is what I suspect about some of you.

I've already answered your question in another thread. What is the point in losing to the likes of UNLV by 30 and then beating up on Southern Utah's, Idaho St's, UNI's, Fort Lewis's and going 14-1 and thumping our chest, calling ourselves a Nat. Champ? We lost to a nobody and we beat a bunch of nobodies. We are at this point a good nobody.

I'd rather strive to succeed where we're at.

And don't be so petty and cocky saying you got private messages agreeing with you. You may have. But I have too.
And you may have some friends who think the same thing, people in your train of thought generally cluster together, because there aren't very many of you (in the overall scheme) to go around. I'm sure for every one of those who believe we should drop FBS, there are probably 25 to 30 who say we don't drop or lose football altogether.
You keep preaching it, because you keep trying to convert people on here to your thought process of going FCS.

...it isn't working.

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

$$$$$$$$, you dip$^&*... WHY are you making this about wins and losses. It has NOTHING to do with winning and losing. It all has to do with money. Wyoming football could never win a game again and they STILL wouldn't voluntarily drop to FCS. Get this through your puppet skull. IT. WILL. NEVER. HAPPEN.

We will stay at FBS or we will drop football. Period.

And to answer your blanket questions from earlier. Yes, I would rather lose every game at the FBS level than drop to FCS and be the "national champs". And before you come out saying that I don't care about winning, I absolutely want UW to win, but I want us to win at the top level, not drop just so that we can try to win at a lower level. Again, I would rather lose at FBS than win at FCS.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Add me to the chorus of people who would care much more about a Wyoming team that struggles in FBS over a FCS powerhouse. "Winning" doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's about who you play. I bet you're fired up to beat a five-year-old at a game of HORSE. Your claim that I "don't care about winning" with my preference for FBS struggle over FCS dominance is so mystifyingly stupid that it doesn't really deserve response.

Again, NOBODY CARES about FCS championships. They don't. I make dismissive wanking motions when a Montana fan bleats about their team. I would expect every other college football fan to do the same if we became a Big Sky powerhouse.

And this isn't just about fan identity and ego. If athletics are the front porch of the university and college football is the marquee event, it would seriously damage the university's image if we gave up on trying to play with the big kids. It would be a disaster from a marketing, recruiting, and donor attraction perspective.

More of a disaster than losing to North Dakota and Eastern Michigan? And that Montana team you're mocking would boat race Wyoming. You guys shouldn't be so dismissive of teams in FCS when clearly half of them would spank us.

 

[COS Cowboy]

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

I saw us beat the west division champ, convincingly, just last year. Has any FCS team ever throttled Fresno like that?

 

[SDPokeFan]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

Name someone who has done it?

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

I don't think you know what FCS is.

So nobody is going to answer the question. That's what I thought. You'd take the FCS championships in a heartbeat. It's moving down and still failing that scares you. And if you say you'd rather root for a 3-win team for 10 years than six championships, well that simply proves you don't care about winning, which is what I suspect about some of you.

I've already answered your question in another thread. What is the point in losing to the likes of UNLV by 30 and then beating up on Southern Utah's, Idaho St's, UNI's, Fort Lewis's and going 14-1 and thumping our chest, calling ourselves a Nat. Champ? We lost to a nobody and we beat a bunch of nobodies. We are at this point a good nobody.

I'd rather strive to succeed where we're at.

And don't be so petty and cocky saying you got private messages agreeing with you. You may have. But I have too.
And you may have some friends who think the same thing, people in your train of thought generally cluster together, because there aren't very many of you (in the overall scheme) to go around. I'm sure for every one of those who believe we should drop FBS, there are probably 25 to 30 who say we don't drop or lose football altogether.
You keep preaching it, because you keep trying to convert people on here to your thought process of going FCS.

...it isn't working.

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

$$$$$$$$, you dip$^&*... WHY are you making this about wins and losses. It has NOTHING to do with winning and losing. It all has to do with money. Wyoming football could never win a game again and they STILL wouldn't voluntarily drop to FCS. Get this through your puppet skull. IT. WILL. NEVER. HAPPEN.

We will stay at FBS or we will drop football. Period.

And to answer your blanket questions from earlier. Yes, I would rather lose every game at the FBS level than drop to FCS and be the "national champs". And before you come out saying that I don't care about winning, I absolutely want UW to win, but I want us to win at the top level, not drop just so that we can try to win at a lower level. Again, I would rather lose at FBS than win at FCS.

Ok well at least someone finally admitted the wins and losses don't matter. So we are basically making money and praying for miracles.

 

[SDPokeFan]

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

I saw us beat the west division champ, convincingly, just last year. Has any FCS team ever throttled Fresno like that?

Has an FCS team ever beaten North Dakota or Eastern Michigan? Yes lots.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Finally??? I told you that yesterday. Allow me to paraphrase my post from the other thread. It is more profitable (financially beneficial) to be the worst FBS team than the best FCS team.

FWIW, I DO care about about winning, but from an administrative viewpoint, they may say winning is important but money trumps all.

 

[COS Cowboy]

Add me to the chorus of people who would care much more about a Wyoming team that struggles in FBS over a FCS powerhouse. "Winning" doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's about who you play. I bet you're fired up to beat a five-year-old at a game of HORSE. Your claim that I "don't care about winning" with my preference for FBS struggle over FCS dominance is so mystifyingly stupid that it doesn't really deserve response.

Again, NOBODY CARES about FCS championships. They don't. I make dismissive wanking motions when a Montana fan bleats about their team. I would expect every other college football fan to do the same if we became a Big Sky powerhouse.

And this isn't just about fan identity and ego. If athletics are the front porch of the university and college football is the marquee event, it would seriously damage the university's image if we gave up on trying to play with the big kids. It would be a disaster from a marketing, recruiting, and donor attraction perspective.

More of a disaster than losing to North Dakota and Eastern Michigan? And that Montana team you're mocking would boat race Wyoming. You guys shouldn't be so dismissive of teams in FCS when clearly half of them would spank us.

Yup, that would be a bigger disaster than losing to North Dakota and Eastern Michigan. Quit ignoring my question and name another team that has willingly dropped a division and found success.

 

[COS Cowboy]

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

I saw us beat the west division champ, convincingly, just last year. Has any FCS team ever throttled Fresno like that?

Has an FCS team ever beaten North Dakota or Eastern Michigan? Yes lots.

Yup, and for most of them that is the biggest victory they will ever have. Do you want beating the Eastern Michigans of FBS to be our high point?

 

[SDPokeFan]

Add me to the chorus of people who would care much more about a Wyoming team that struggles in FBS over a FCS powerhouse. "Winning" doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's about who you play. I bet you're fired up to beat a five-year-old at a game of HORSE. Your claim that I "don't care about winning" with my preference for FBS struggle over FCS dominance is so mystifyingly stupid that it doesn't really deserve response.

Again, NOBODY CARES about FCS championships. They don't. I make dismissive wanking motions when a Montana fan bleats about their team. I would expect every other college football fan to do the same if we became a Big Sky powerhouse.

And this isn't just about fan identity and ego. If athletics are the front porch of the university and college football is the marquee event, it would seriously damage the university's image if we gave up on trying to play with the big kids. It would be a disaster from a marketing, recruiting, and donor attraction perspective.

More of a disaster than losing to North Dakota and Eastern Michigan? And that Montana team you're mocking would boat race Wyoming. You guys shouldn't be so dismissive of teams in FCS when clearly half of them would spank us.

Yup, that would be a bigger disaster than losing to North Dakota and Eastern Michigan. Quit ignoring my question and name another team that has willingly dropped a division and found success.

I can't. There aren't any. But we could be pioneers. Sometimes you have to think outside the box when something clearly isn't working.

 

[SDPokeFan]

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

I saw us beat the west division champ, convincingly, just last year. Has any FCS team ever throttled Fresno like that?

Has an FCS team ever beaten North Dakota or Eastern Michigan? Yes lots.

Yup, and for most of them that is the biggest victory they will ever have. Do you want beating the Eastern Michigans of FBS to be our high point?

Right now I'd take it. What's our high point right now? That we're "improving" because we "only" lost by 17 the last game?

 

[COS Cowboy]

I can't. There aren't any. But we could be pioneers. Sometimes you have to think outside the box when something clearly isn't working.

Good plan! If all else fails, lower the bar.

Right now I'd take it. What's our high point right now? That we're "improving" because we "only" lost by 17 the last game?

Three games in, yes that's our high point. Still nine games left to have a better high point, and that's just this year. Who knows what next year brings? Did you think we would throttle Fresno last year? Did you think we would beat CSU 44-0 in 2010? Did you think we would beat Tennessee in 2008? Stranger things have happened and will continue to happen, but only if you get the chance to play. Those chances go away if you drop to FCS, so does most of the money, fan support, MWC membership etc. Why else has no one done it? It's a stupid idea that needs to die.

 

[Wyovanian]

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

I saw us beat the west division champ, convincingly, just last year. Has any FCS team ever throttled Fresno like that?

Has an FCS team ever beaten North Dakota or Eastern Michigan? Yes lots.

Yup, and for most of them that is the biggest victory they will ever have. Do you want beating the Eastern Michigans of FBS to be our high point?

Right now I'd take it. What's our high point right now? That we're "improving" because we "only" lost by 17 the last game?

You're the guy who loses his ass at a poker table full of adults, then pumps his fist and sticks his (wispy) chest out when he beats some 8-year-olds at Go Fish.

 

[LanderPoke]

What's the point of being in FBS if you can't compete?

I saw us beat the west division champ, convincingly, just last year. Has any FCS team ever throttled Fresno like that?

Has an FCS team ever beaten North Dakota or Eastern Michigan? Yes lots.

Yup, and for most of them that is the biggest victory they will ever have. Do you want beating the Eastern Michigans of FBS to be our high point?

Right now I'd take it. What's our high point right now? That we're "improving" because we "only" lost by 17 the last game?

You're the guy who loses his ass at a poker table full of adults, then pumps his fist and sticks his (wispy) chest out when he beats some 8-year-olds at Go Fish.

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