Had you pegged as a trustee at SD State Hospital, actually. You're either clinically moronic, or clinically irrational.SDPokeFan said:McPeachy said:SDPokeFan said:McPeachy said:
Agreed. Next topic. This is wearing me out. For now.
Not sure what you do for a living, but damn, the board has sure effected my productivity the last few days. And then some. But I wouldn't want it any other way - I love this place to discuss all things Wyoming athletics.
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Yah I have not contributed my full effort to my job either these past couple of days, admittedly. Wyovanian will tell you I cut and paste animal crackers for a living. :lol:
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The argument to end the drop to FCS argument
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Landiegopoke
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Any one that wants to drop a division can suck my dick or hers
No way this hits 17 pages.
corruptedchoirboy
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New to WyoNation, been following from afar for a while and this thread led me to register and comment.
I'm a STH and devout fan of a school that recently went FBS after an FCS NC (WKU, the 2002 FCS Champs).....We went through several rough years through and after the transition and now have had four straight winning seasons. The reaction between that FCS (at the time I-AA) Championship and even the two minor bowl appearances we've had is a pretty jarring comparison. Very few people care about an FCS trophy. Very little exposure for your University comes with that. Not saying it's not good football, it's very competitive and I find it entertaining. But I'm in a solid minority.
Certainly, your population base and the very competitive Mountain West will be obstacles to having a string of winning seasons/bowl appearances and the like, but it can be done. Game attendance is so fickle nowadays with everyone having HDTVs, people not appreciating the in-game experience, etc. etc. We have had a hard time getting people to come to games with great matchups and a new found winning era. But that takes time to develop, and I'm certain being the only D-I school in your state, eventually that's going to come to be with y'all. Keep the faith. Keep Coach Bohl. Stay the course and you'll see great and memorable seasons....as a FBS member......
I'm a STH and devout fan of a school that recently went FBS after an FCS NC (WKU, the 2002 FCS Champs).....We went through several rough years through and after the transition and now have had four straight winning seasons. The reaction between that FCS (at the time I-AA) Championship and even the two minor bowl appearances we've had is a pretty jarring comparison. Very few people care about an FCS trophy. Very little exposure for your University comes with that. Not saying it's not good football, it's very competitive and I find it entertaining. But I'm in a solid minority.
Certainly, your population base and the very competitive Mountain West will be obstacles to having a string of winning seasons/bowl appearances and the like, but it can be done. Game attendance is so fickle nowadays with everyone having HDTVs, people not appreciating the in-game experience, etc. etc. We have had a hard time getting people to come to games with great matchups and a new found winning era. But that takes time to develop, and I'm certain being the only D-I school in your state, eventually that's going to come to be with y'all. Keep the faith. Keep Coach Bohl. Stay the course and you'll see great and memorable seasons....as a FBS member......
I've thought through this and I've come up with the dumbest idea yet. Let's field both an FCS and FBS football team! They could play at different times and on the same field. We get 12 home games a year instead of 6. Hell, if it scheduled right, you could see two football games in Laramie on the same day!
When our FBS team recruits sub part talent, they can transfer over to the FCS team and we can free up a scholly pretty quickly.
The FBS team can be brown and gold, the FCS team can be gold and brown. The FBS team can have steamboat facing to the right, while the FCS team can the left.
Our fan's get to see us play in both divisions - after all, many of us think FBS is the way - others think FCS is the way.
Think of the publicity behind it!
Even better - we could install a reality tv series around recruiting and put it on ESPN. Who ever wins the recruiting batttle can become an assistant coach on the FCS team!
When our FBS team recruits sub part talent, they can transfer over to the FCS team and we can free up a scholly pretty quickly.
The FBS team can be brown and gold, the FCS team can be gold and brown. The FBS team can have steamboat facing to the right, while the FCS team can the left.
Our fan's get to see us play in both divisions - after all, many of us think FBS is the way - others think FCS is the way.
Think of the publicity behind it!
Even better - we could install a reality tv series around recruiting and put it on ESPN. Who ever wins the recruiting batttle can become an assistant coach on the FCS team!
COS Cowboy
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WyoBrandX said:
Now that's thinking out of the box!
fishouttawater
Member
I've lurked on this thread for the last year or so out of pure interest in the shared rivalry with Air Force that WYO and my undergrad have. I can't honestly say that I have an honest claim to bleed Brown and Gold as many of you, but I do know a thing or two about spending the last two decades rooting hard for a perennial loser of a program that's been forever struggling to find its way. Trust me, I know your pain and then some. Try losing to CSU, your biggest rival, 13 years in a row and you'll know where I'm coming from.
Let me get something off of my chest...
This nonsense about cutting bait and dropping down to a lower classification of football is tantamount to the lowest form of cowardice there is. From what little I know about Wyoming and it's culture, cowardice is the antithesis of everything the state and it's flagship university stands for. Wyoming would literally have to abandon its Code of the West for making a mockery of its own brand. The notion of a cowboy quitting is utterly rediculous.
Need I say that quitting FBS would be disastrous for the state of WYO football? The premise that WYO would be competitive in short order at the FCS level is based on the false equivalence that the state of the program would remain constant both before, during, and after the process of quitting FBS. This is a complete fallacy as nothing would be further from the truth.
You need players to play at any level and all of the talented to marginally talented FBS athletes that elected to attend WYO for the chance to compete at the highest level of the sport would simply leave for greener pastures. Those guys not completely in love with the rigor of the academic program or the austerity that is Wyoming would also jump ship. Everyone left would have to live with the fact that scholarships would disappear due to FCS scholarship limits. Suddenly, Johnny lost his full ride and has little to no means to make up the difference...better get those grades up since the competition for academic scholarships just intensified.
Juniors who were robbed of their chance to finish what they started would probably leave, seniors might not return if the have any eligibility, and recruiters from FBS schools would undoubtedly poach any other players with an ounce of FBS ability. The death knell would be for guys to transfer to other FCS schools...ouch. Suddenly all of the athletes with any FBS experience just walked out of the door and the road to presumed FCS domination just got a bit more challenging than expected.
Coaches would probably leave due to shrinking budgets for better jobs. What quality of out-of-state player would be so mesmerized by the notion of attending WYO on a partial scholly to play FCS football because the school couldn't hack it and chose to quit. That's weak as hell. It's hard enough recruiting to a WYO that has some of the trappings of a FBS mid major as it is.
If people can't deal with the thought of rebuilding as an FBS school, how would they ever deal with rebuilding as an FBS quitter and entering FCS as a bottom tier school?
Yes, WYO would probably be a bottom tier school because attrition will neutrallize any presumed roster advantage WYO currently possesses. The budget would shrink and impact everything from facilities management and equipment to recruiting reach and multimedia exposure. Lastly WYO hasn't yet learned how to consistently win.
Last I checked, a football field is the same dimensions in the FCS as they are in the FBS. Football is still about blocking and tacking. Chronic lack of football acumen doesn't magically resolve its self just because the competition changes. NDU anybody?
Let me get something off of my chest...
This nonsense about cutting bait and dropping down to a lower classification of football is tantamount to the lowest form of cowardice there is. From what little I know about Wyoming and it's culture, cowardice is the antithesis of everything the state and it's flagship university stands for. Wyoming would literally have to abandon its Code of the West for making a mockery of its own brand. The notion of a cowboy quitting is utterly rediculous.
Need I say that quitting FBS would be disastrous for the state of WYO football? The premise that WYO would be competitive in short order at the FCS level is based on the false equivalence that the state of the program would remain constant both before, during, and after the process of quitting FBS. This is a complete fallacy as nothing would be further from the truth.
You need players to play at any level and all of the talented to marginally talented FBS athletes that elected to attend WYO for the chance to compete at the highest level of the sport would simply leave for greener pastures. Those guys not completely in love with the rigor of the academic program or the austerity that is Wyoming would also jump ship. Everyone left would have to live with the fact that scholarships would disappear due to FCS scholarship limits. Suddenly, Johnny lost his full ride and has little to no means to make up the difference...better get those grades up since the competition for academic scholarships just intensified.
Juniors who were robbed of their chance to finish what they started would probably leave, seniors might not return if the have any eligibility, and recruiters from FBS schools would undoubtedly poach any other players with an ounce of FBS ability. The death knell would be for guys to transfer to other FCS schools...ouch. Suddenly all of the athletes with any FBS experience just walked out of the door and the road to presumed FCS domination just got a bit more challenging than expected.
Coaches would probably leave due to shrinking budgets for better jobs. What quality of out-of-state player would be so mesmerized by the notion of attending WYO on a partial scholly to play FCS football because the school couldn't hack it and chose to quit. That's weak as hell. It's hard enough recruiting to a WYO that has some of the trappings of a FBS mid major as it is.
If people can't deal with the thought of rebuilding as an FBS school, how would they ever deal with rebuilding as an FBS quitter and entering FCS as a bottom tier school?
Yes, WYO would probably be a bottom tier school because attrition will neutrallize any presumed roster advantage WYO currently possesses. The budget would shrink and impact everything from facilities management and equipment to recruiting reach and multimedia exposure. Lastly WYO hasn't yet learned how to consistently win.
Last I checked, a football field is the same dimensions in the FCS as they are in the FBS. Football is still about blocking and tacking. Chronic lack of football acumen doesn't magically resolve its self just because the competition changes. NDU anybody?
fishouttawater
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*UND
ragtimejoe1
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Anyone else find the irony in the thread topic and the current state of the thread? :rofl:
Cheywypoke
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The only people I've ever had a discussion with concerning Wyoming dropping to FCS are mostly originally from Montana or South Dakota, which makes me think that it's part of a jealousy thing. They hate that our poor little state is playing against the big boys and even experiencing a few bowl games here and there. Have we set the world on fire? No, but we have had some success. Like someone posted earlier when it comes to FCS championships, nobody cares. Except for the fans of a team that won one, nobody else cares. You might argue the same thing about the likes of the New Mexico or Las Vegas bowls, but at least for the month of December a bowl team is mentioned in every paper in the nation, multiple times, listing the bowl games and their results. That's advertising for the University that any FCS would kill for since the FCS champion might get a three paragraph write up in those same papers.
SDPoke or whatever his name is can call me a Pollyanna or whatever he'd like, but right now, Wyoming has eight seniors, 19 players of the 44 on the Cowboys two-deep depth chart are freshmen or redshirt freshmen. Hopefully, if these guys stay healthy, continue to improve and stay with the program, we may be looking at something special in 2-3 years.
If SDpoke is from Wyoming like he says, you would think he would also be playing the "by dropping down more Wyoming kids would be able to play for the Cowboys," card. No, I think he's just someone trying to stir things up, or someone that thinks the world begins and ends in Rapid City and can't stand that we're D-I and South Dakota isn't. Probably, has posters of Brock Lesnar in his room that he worships every night.
SDPoke or whatever his name is can call me a Pollyanna or whatever he'd like, but right now, Wyoming has eight seniors, 19 players of the 44 on the Cowboys two-deep depth chart are freshmen or redshirt freshmen. Hopefully, if these guys stay healthy, continue to improve and stay with the program, we may be looking at something special in 2-3 years.
If SDpoke is from Wyoming like he says, you would think he would also be playing the "by dropping down more Wyoming kids would be able to play for the Cowboys," card. No, I think he's just someone trying to stir things up, or someone that thinks the world begins and ends in Rapid City and can't stand that we're D-I and South Dakota isn't. Probably, has posters of Brock Lesnar in his room that he worships every night.
TheCup
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The idea that Wyoming will ever willingly drop down to FCS on its own is so far fetched that it is not really worth discussing. No FBS team has dropped down since 1995 (Pacific) and the last big move was when what is now known as the Big West schools all moved down in 1991. There is no one to compare to since no school has moved down on its own and without joining its conference mates in over 20 years.
What is more likely to happen, and almost certain to happen in my opinion, is a more clear bifurcation between the Power 5 and the Rest of Us. The P5 already cracked that door open through the rules changes they pushed through last year. They will kick that door all the way open as soon as they are able through new television contracts and the next round of conference re-alignment.
Wyoming will never "move down." We will simply find ourselves one day playing in a classification below the SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12 and ACC. There won't be a vote. There won't be public meetings to take comment. There will just be some guys in suits talking to some other guys in suits about how to parcel out about $2.5 billion per year in television revenue. Contracts will be signed, media releases will go out and that will be it.
We can take heart that UNLV, UNM, Air Force, Hawaii, SDSU and probably Colorado State will be right there with us. Maybe that will make it all ok. But enjoy Wyoming "competing" at the top level while it lasts. Because in 10 years it ain't going to be that way.
The FCS thing is a fun straw man to argue about, but it's not the real issue. The real issue is whether we are all-in on football or not. We've wasted the last 15 years fucking around paying lip service to winning championships but trying to do it on an also-ran budget. The true cost of those wasted years isn't just in sitting at 0-3 right now. It will be in what happens five years down the line when the lawyers and commissioners and tv executives re-order college football as we know it and Wyoming is tossed casually and without thinking into that big pile called 'Others.'
What is more likely to happen, and almost certain to happen in my opinion, is a more clear bifurcation between the Power 5 and the Rest of Us. The P5 already cracked that door open through the rules changes they pushed through last year. They will kick that door all the way open as soon as they are able through new television contracts and the next round of conference re-alignment.
Wyoming will never "move down." We will simply find ourselves one day playing in a classification below the SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12 and ACC. There won't be a vote. There won't be public meetings to take comment. There will just be some guys in suits talking to some other guys in suits about how to parcel out about $2.5 billion per year in television revenue. Contracts will be signed, media releases will go out and that will be it.
We can take heart that UNLV, UNM, Air Force, Hawaii, SDSU and probably Colorado State will be right there with us. Maybe that will make it all ok. But enjoy Wyoming "competing" at the top level while it lasts. Because in 10 years it ain't going to be that way.
The FCS thing is a fun straw man to argue about, but it's not the real issue. The real issue is whether we are all-in on football or not. We've wasted the last 15 years fucking around paying lip service to winning championships but trying to do it on an also-ran budget. The true cost of those wasted years isn't just in sitting at 0-3 right now. It will be in what happens five years down the line when the lawyers and commissioners and tv executives re-order college football as we know it and Wyoming is tossed casually and without thinking into that big pile called 'Others.'
Cheywypoke said:
Yep they hate the opponents they play in the big sky and the small crowds. But rather then move up, since they can't afford it, they hope to bring the teams they want to play down to their level. I see that in Montana all the time. They want to play Utah State, CSU, Wyoming, Boise, etc in Missoula regularly but they want them to drop to their FCS level.
SDPokeFan
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Cheywypoke said:
This last paragraph was pretty funny. Nice work. But I don't really care if Wyoming kids are on the team as long as it's winning. And I can't stand living in South Dakota. I'd gladly move back to Wyoming if I could find a job to my liking. I almost moved back just a few months ago, actually.
lakesbison
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I have advocated NDSU go to FBS, but we are stuck in between MWC & MAC geographically.
Now, if G5 conferences and top tier FCS teams combined, then it'd be a cool division.
But like Id say, id rather have NDSU in FBS and Id rather see WYOMING in the FBS!
Now, if G5 conferences and top tier FCS teams combined, then it'd be a cool division.
But like Id say, id rather have NDSU in FBS and Id rather see WYOMING in the FBS!
