The argument to end the drop to FCS argument

[Coeur d' Alene]

There are something close to 400 schools playing d1 basketball. So there are obviously ways to play at different levels in different sports. That is something though that absolutely can not be an option for Wyoming. If it came to drop football or move down the choice would have to be to drop the sport. But that won't happen.


Wyoming would lose 75% of its fans and its donors playing second division football. There's already not enough people who care, dropping down would put the nail in the coffin.


Wyoming people are proud and competitors. That means they want to compete at the highest level regardless of how easy it isn't or how nice it would be to win all the time. Montana people like being the huge fish in a small pond, Wyoming people want to be in that big pond and go make something of themselves. That's not just football it's a lot of businesses. Wyoming people and businesses have a huge pride in Wyoming football, and I think most don't want to see the football team play a bunch of small schools from all over. Wyoming people want to see Wyoming play Colorado Utah, Washington State, and Nebraska. And they'd rather see the out of conference games against Texas a&am or Florida than they do e Michigan or any d 2 team.


Yeah I want to see them win too but not at the cost of losing the pride and competitiveness that makes Wyoming Wyoming. It's like if you are a man and you golf and you really want to take a couple strokes off your handicap do you practice and get better or do you just start playing from the white tee's? Are you really a single digit handicap or whatever you are going for if you do it from the white tee's?

 

[joshvanklomp]

There are something close to 400 schools playing d1 basketball. So there are obviously ways to play at different levels in different sports.

There are 351 schools in 32 Division I basketball conferences.

There are ten conferences and 128 schools in FBS football.
There are 125 FCS football programs for the 2015 season.
There are 97 Division I non-football programs.

There's a number off somewhere, but that accounts for 350 of the 351 Division I basketball programs.

If you drop to FCS in football, you either become a basketball independent or join the Big Sky in all sports. You wouldn't be Big Sky in football and Mountain West in basketball, doesn't work that way.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Wyoming would lose 75% of its fans and its donors playing second division football. There's already not enough people who care, dropping down would put the nail in the coffin.

They already are playing second division football...they just aren't in that second division. It's the formality of signing papers that confirm what is put on the field that has you guys up in arms. If you think you're watching Division I football out there I would implore you to take a trip to another stadium one Saturday and take in a game.

 

[SDPokeFan]

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

 

[Wyovanian]

Wyoming would lose 75% of its fans and its donors playing second division football. There's already not enough people who care, dropping down would put the nail in the coffin.

They already are playing second division football...they just aren't in that second division. It's the formality of signing papers that confirm what is put on the field that has you guys up in arms. If you think you're watching Division I football out there I would implore you to take a trip to another stadium one Saturday and take in a game.

You are one thick dude. What part of the loss of tens of millions of dollars don't you get. Do you have even the least fundamental understanding of finances?

I've owned clothing that was smarter than you.

A dollar says your grades "improved" once they made the tests easier...

 

[Wyovanian]

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

 

[HR_Poke]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

 

[COS Cowboy]

Show me one team that has found success by dropping down? I don't think anyone has ever done it voluntarily, I think they have all been booted. Ask you private message friends if they know of one.

 

[COS Cowboy]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

I wouldn't either.

 

[SDPokeFan]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

 

[SDPokeFan]

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

 

[Wyovanian]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

How many cracks at third grade did you get? You're NOT talking about winning- you're talking about defining success down.

Wyoming will not drop to FCS. Get over it. There are only two viable options- play FBS Football or don't play football. If you're actually advocating we drop football altogether, why don't you come out and say it?

 

[Wyovanian]

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

No, you're wishing Wyoming Football was a tier down, closer to your tier in life.

Keep defining success down, and then tell me, what happens when there's no success at that level because most of the fans and donors leave?

 

[COS Cowboy]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

Name someone who has done it?

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

I don't think you know what FCS is.

 

[SDPokeFan]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

Name someone who has done it?

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

I don't think you know what FCS is.

So nobody is going to answer the question. That's what I thought. You'd take the FCS championships in a heartbeat. It's moving down and still failing that scares you. And if you say you'd rather root for a 3-win team for 10 years than six championships, well that simply proves you don't care about winning, which is what I suspect about some of you.

 

[OrediggerPoke]

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

So hypothetically when you choose to play in a summer softball league, you choose to play in Division 10 so that you can win and make yourself feel good rather than face any real competition?

While I will always choose to play in a league where the players might be a bit more talented than me and where winning might be more difficult because I have something...wait for it...called PRIDE!

 

[Wyovanian]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

Name someone who has done it?

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

I don't think you know what FCS is.

So nobody is going to answer the question. That's what I thought. You'd take the FCS championships in a heartbeat. It's moving down and still failing that scares you. And if you say you'd rather root for a 3-win team for 10 years than six championships, well that simply proves you don't care about winning, which is what I suspect about some of you.

In all likelihood, there will be no football team to play, let alone win FCS Championships- which, to true Wyoming fans, are the equivalent of participation medals anyway.

There's your answer you f--kin' ponce.

 

[kansasCowboy]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

Name someone who has done it?

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

I don't think you know what FCS is.

So nobody is going to answer the question. That's what I thought. You'd take the FCS championships in a heartbeat. It's moving down and still failing that scares you. And if you say you'd rather root for a 3-win team for 10 years than six championships, well that simply proves you don't care about winning, which is what I suspect about some of you.

I've already answered your question in another thread. What is the point in losing to the likes of UNLV by 30 and then beating up on Southern Utah's, Idaho St's, UNI's, Fort Lewis's and going 14-1 and thumping our chest, calling ourselves a Nat. Champ? We lost to a nobody and we beat a bunch of nobodies. We are at this point a good nobody.

I'd rather strive to succeed where we're at.

And don't be so petty and cocky saying you got private messages agreeing with you. You may have. But I have too.
And you may have some friends who think the same thing, people in your train of thought generally cluster together, because there aren't very many of you (in the overall scheme) to go around. I'm sure for every one of those who believe we should drop FBS, there are probably 25 to 30 who say we don't drop or lose football altogether.
You keep preaching it, because you keep trying to convert people on here to your thought process of going FCS.

...it isn't working.

 

[COS Cowboy]

So nobody is going to answer the question. That's what I thought. You'd take the FCS championships in a heartbeat. It's moving down and still failing that scares you. And if you say you'd rather root for a 3-win team for 10 years than six championships, well that simply proves you don't care about winning, which is what I suspect about some of you.

I don't care about winning against inferior competition. Wyoming is 18-2 all time against FCS competition. Go celebrate that if you want to, but I'm disappointed that we are not 20-0. It would be foolhardy to think that we could maintain that level of success anyway.

I don't care about FCS championships. NO ONE CARES! If we hadn't hired Craig Bohl based on his FCS championship resume, few on here would even know who the FCS champ was. We care about MWC championships and we aspire to care about FBS national championships. FCS championships are a step backwards from that.

So yes, I would rather root for a 3 win team that has won at least 2 of those games against FBS competition than root for a 10 win team that has dropped to FCS. (The first team to do so voluntarily AFAIK.)

 

[Wyovanian]

I wouldn't renew season tickets and I wouldn't donate to CJC anymore if we dropped to FCS. I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

So hypothetically, you'd rather support a two-win FBS team than a national championship FCS team. So you don't care about winning whatsoever. Am I correct in assuming this? If I told you I had a crystal ball (again, all hypothetical) and I could see that if Wyoming dropped to FCS it would win six national championships in the next decade, while also seeing if it remains in FBS it would win three or four games every year, which scenario would you choose?

Name someone who has done it?

Oh and for the record, I'm not the only one that believes this. I have friends that believe we should move down to FCS. And I have had people on this message board send me a private message saying they agree with me.

You and all of your friends are welcome to become fans of an FCS school. Y'all aren't really wanted around here.

By following Wyoming's football team, I already am fan of an FCS school. Whether you can see it or not, or choose to believe it or not, it's a fact.

I don't think you know what FCS is.

To him, FCS represents everything that helped him "succeed". Things like government-mandated $15 minimum wages for unskilled work.

The really sad part is that somewhere along the line, someone taught him it was okay to define things down to feel better about himself...