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Sorry for the pissing fiights with some of you but
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DamThatRiver22
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NINE seasons.
Craig Bohl has a losing record against teams with a winning record.
Craig Bohl has a losing record in-conference.
Craig Bohl still has a losing overall record.
Even if you take out the first two rebuilding years, Craig Bohl still has losing records in-conference and against winning teams, and is barely above .500 overall.
Still think he's God's gift to Laramie?
He fields some of the best defenses and special teams in the nation, but some of the worst offenses in all of FBS...yet refuses to recognize the problems with, and change, his offensive philosophy...whether it's scheme, offensive staff, or offensive player recruiting.
He had a massive opportunity to shake things up after Vigen left, and he goes and hires a coach from Iowa. (You get the point there if you pay attention to college football at all outside of the MWC.)
But hey, let's keep celebrating mediocrity because "muh bowls".
Don't get me wrong, Craig Bohl was an outstanding hire and I'm thankful for everything he's done for the program and community, but we need fresh blood in here to continue what he's built.
Craig "7-5" Bohl has turned the program into into the perpetual Wyoming "So Close" Cowboys. You can't tell me that that's our ceiling. Full stop. I'm tired of his apologists and there's zero excuse for his stubbornness causing us to shoot ourselves directly in the foot year after year.
Craig Bohl has a losing record against teams with a winning record.
Craig Bohl has a losing record in-conference.
Craig Bohl still has a losing overall record.
Even if you take out the first two rebuilding years, Craig Bohl still has losing records in-conference and against winning teams, and is barely above .500 overall.
Still think he's God's gift to Laramie?
He fields some of the best defenses and special teams in the nation, but some of the worst offenses in all of FBS...yet refuses to recognize the problems with, and change, his offensive philosophy...whether it's scheme, offensive staff, or offensive player recruiting.
He had a massive opportunity to shake things up after Vigen left, and he goes and hires a coach from Iowa. (You get the point there if you pay attention to college football at all outside of the MWC.)
But hey, let's keep celebrating mediocrity because "muh bowls".
Don't get me wrong, Craig Bohl was an outstanding hire and I'm thankful for everything he's done for the program and community, but we need fresh blood in here to continue what he's built.
Craig "7-5" Bohl has turned the program into into the perpetual Wyoming "So Close" Cowboys. You can't tell me that that's our ceiling. Full stop. I'm tired of his apologists and there's zero excuse for his stubbornness causing us to shoot ourselves directly in the foot year after year.
PokesArePeopleToo
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This game has me really pissed off like all of you. The end of game play calling was dreadful and I agree with some who want to see Craig Bohl get a real offensive coordinator in Laramie. We were right there! The game was within reach! The division was within reach! I'm proud of this team and I love their effort all season but what makes this lost opportunity even more painful is that we seldom get to situations where we hold the cards in our hands and only need to make one more move to win the pot. That said I'm not sure how I feel about the rest of the season. My anticipation for the game next week has dissipated due to this loss. I guess the Pokes will be going to another bowl game but even that loses a lot of its sizzle for me. I guess I need a pick me up. As an aside, I was at tonight's game and met the guy who used to have that daily Wyoming radio show a few years back. He was nothing like what I imagined or pictured him at all. A very nice man who was decked out head to toe in brown and gold, very relatable and very cordial. I met him while on my way into the stadium, he bought a game program and gave the young boy selling it a nice tip! I do miss that show. I do miss the Pokes winning big games.
DamThatRiver22
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Eh, I still think firing Burman is a bad call.
But if Bohl refuses to find a new OC who comes from, and runs, a modern offense and let him operate unimpeded...yea. Bohl needs to be gone.
I think this was the game that broke the camel's back and finally opened the eyes of some of the holdouts and Bohl apologists. We begged everyone to show up; in spite of the cold and everything else, a lot of folks did...only to be handed that [predictable and unsurprising] shitshow of an offensive performance. Capped by possibly the worst coaching decision and playcall I've ever witnessed, right after the game was gifted to us.
Maybe Burman gets the message if there's zero travel for Fresno State and the Bowl game, booster funding drops, and season/opener ticket sales for next year plummet. But otherwise, Bohl has yet again played the system and done just enough to not draw the ire of the powers that be.
Ticket sales, booster support, merch sales, TV viewership. Those are the metrics Burman (and any AD, really) is paid to be concerned about. If none of those change, then nothing else will change.
But if Bohl refuses to find a new OC who comes from, and runs, a modern offense and let him operate unimpeded...yea. Bohl needs to be gone.
I think this was the game that broke the camel's back and finally opened the eyes of some of the holdouts and Bohl apologists. We begged everyone to show up; in spite of the cold and everything else, a lot of folks did...only to be handed that [predictable and unsurprising] shitshow of an offensive performance. Capped by possibly the worst coaching decision and playcall I've ever witnessed, right after the game was gifted to us.
Maybe Burman gets the message if there's zero travel for Fresno State and the Bowl game, booster funding drops, and season/opener ticket sales for next year plummet. But otherwise, Bohl has yet again played the system and done just enough to not draw the ire of the powers that be.
Ticket sales, booster support, merch sales, TV viewership. Those are the metrics Burman (and any AD, really) is paid to be concerned about. If none of those change, then nothing else will change.
PokesArePeopleToo
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How can I get excited about the Fresno State game or the eventual bowl game? I just can't. The season was enjoyable up until that pass that picked off last night to end the game. This young team showed guts and resilience all season long. The division was right there for the taking. The defense showed out, the team overcame a lot of injuries to have themselves in a position to win the game and set up another huge weekend next week against Fresno. They were on the doorstep, they were handed a gift of all gifts. I also saw that Bohl got a bit testy answering questions about the play after the game last night. It could have been special. We could have been going back to the championship game. It is just so damn frustrating being a fan of this team. Not to believe I am entitled at all because I'm not. I don't like fans like that. But my goodness, can we and will we ever get beyond mediocrity?
PokesArePeopleToo
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PokesArePeopleToo said:
DamThatRiver22
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PokesArePeopleToo said:
This is another thing that has gone unnoticed until now by a lot of people. I've mentioned it before, but it's started to rear its head more often the last couple of years.
I like Craig; I do. Normally he's a great, humble, down-to-earth, no-nonsense guy with a good sense of humor.
But over the years, as the offensive problems have continued, I have noticed that on the very rare occasion he's pressed on an issue or challenged in any way....he either a) avoids the question entirely and goes on some weird related ramble, or b) he gets his feathers ruffled in a hurry (which is part of why no one actually throws hardball questions at him).
The man is old, stubborn, lacks self-awareness, and surrounds himself by yes men who are 100% devoted to his vision and style of football. He can't handle criticism, refuses to adjust, and anyone who presses him on the issues or questions a decision he made just makes puts him in a pissed off mood.
OrediggerPoke
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Montana State threw the ball 9 times on Saturday for 120 yards.Subcanis said:
OrediggerPoke
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This team has out performed expectations. Period.
DamThatRiver22
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Subcanis said:
I know. I've been screaming about that for a while. Between that and promoting Mike freaking Grant, this offense was doomed to regress even more (surprising that was even possible).
Vigen was handed a program already in a good spot in a lesser subdivision, Vigen doesn't call the plays at MSU, and Vigen's OC (who has a bit of free reign) runs an offense that he learned from his mentor at Mississippi State and Oregon.
Vigen's success at Montana State, in a completely different situation, isn't really indicative of anything about his time here. Bohl may have dictated the system, but it was Vigen who was a terrible playcaller and a terrible QB coach and developer.
It's both. I think the chicken came before the egg (Bohl being the primary problem), but the two things work interchangeably.
Bohl has a certain style of offense he wants to run, and Bohl is responsible for the offensive staff hires and promotions.
That trickles down into that incompetent staff calling shit plays and being unable to develop talent.
The whole thing needs burned down.
LanderPoke
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Lol yeah. I made that point in another thread . Iowa. IOWA!!!! He is not interested in changing anything. I’m sure old bohlly’s attitude is that it was the defense’s fault we lost that game last night . SMDHSubcanis said:
