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Some Fresnecks already talking smack
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Asmodeanreborn
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WYCowboy said:
You know from own experience?
My brother-in-law is a Sheriff's deputy in Grand Junction. In order to get to use the tasers, you have to know what it feels like being tased. Apparently it sucks pretty bad. :lol:
fromolwyoming
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A friend of mine, who is not known for his common sense, demanded from another friend who owned a taser to be zapped by it. She refused to as she is to nice a person, but then her husband cam up from behind and tased the guy on his ass. His leg shot up in the air and he would have dropped if not for the car right next to him. :rofl:Asmodeanreborn said:
Cowduck
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Yoda, your argument that it's an insult for WAC #3 to play MWC #5 because the conferences are equally strong is hilarious. Beyond #1 v. #1, it isn't really close. You think Nevada matches up favorably against BYU? The same Nevada that lost to the last-place MWC team by 15? You think Fresno State matches up favorably with Utah? The same Fresno State team that got pounded by that Nevada team? Quote Sagarin ratings all you want, but your argument just doesn't pass the laugh test.
Cowduck said:
My argument isn't that they are equally strong. My argument is that, from a conference standpoint, I think it is bad PR to concede that we are not equally strong. As such, I think we should refuse any bowl against any non-AQ conference foe where we are clearly positioning ourselves as inferior. We're talking about a multi-year agreement here.
The MWC is doing all it can to separate itself from the WAC in the public's eye while our Commissioner is generally trying to eliminate that separation. And when we agree to a bowl scenario where your #5 meets our #3, it helps you -- at our own expense -- make your case for separation.
That said, yes I think Nevada and Fresno match up favorably with BYU and UU respectively. Nevada was a different team at the end of the year than they were at the beginning of the year. Besides, if you are going to use comparative scores to prove your point, then I can too. To wit...
Nevada beat
UNLV who beat
Colorado St
Therefore, Nevada is better than Colorado State -- notwithstanding the fact that they lost to them.
Also...
Nevada beat
Hawai`i who beat
Navy who beat
Notre Dame who beat
Boston College who beat
Florida St who beat
Brigham Young
So Nevada is better than BYU
And...
Fresno St beat
Hawai`i who beat
Navy who beat
Wake Forest who beat
Stanford who beat
Oregon who beat
Utah
So we're better than Utah.
Those were not intended as actual proofs. They come from one of my favorite websites: College Football Victory Chain Linker @ http://www.cfbanalyzer.com/cgi-bin/year.cgi?year=2009
Yoda out...
calpoke25
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Yoda said:
Nevada lost (and lost badly)to the last place MWC team. They were the 2nd place team in the WAC. Plain and simple. I understand things change through the course of the season, but to suggest Nevada would jump from last in the MWC to 2nd with no evidence to support that other than some inflated statistics just doesn't hold water. CSU DOMINATED them and it wasn't even as close as the final score indicated.
I'm not suggesting Nevada would finish last in the MWC, I think they'd be somewhere between Air Force and Wyoming right now... but to declare them competitive with 2nd place is a bit extreme IMO
I think BYU would absolutely annihilate Nevada right now, that looks to me like a horrible match up for them. Fresno - UU would be closer IMO
calpoke25 said:
That's a relief as I'm not in the best position to defend Nevada anyway. One thing I do know is that they started out with a different offensive scheme and after getting their hind ends handed to them three games in a row, they switched. One of their top three rushers had been sent to a wideout position in an effort to balance their offensive production. All it seemed to do was weaken their running game so they brought him back to the backfield and that's when they began to take off.
Upsets happen. I wouldn't put too many eggs in the Nevada lost to CSU basket.
Yoda out...
WYCowboy said:
I've been rumored to be able to choke people by reaching through my computer screen. :twocents: Why do you think Okie's been absent lately?
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy
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Talk your way around this.
Last 4 years.
MWC vs WAC 27-19 --- MWC is winning 2 out of every 3.
Cream of the WAC crop, Boise, is 1-3 in bowl games. Great against crappy WAC teams then gets spanked.
MWC vs AQ conferences -- 34-40 (not great, not bad); WAC vs AQ conferences -- 14-71 (pathetic)
MWC vs SEC -- 3-2 (including a Poke victory of Tennessee); WAC vs SEC -- 1-12 (OMG are you kidding?)
MWC in bowl games -- 12-6 -- pretty good.
WAC in bowl games -- 6-10 -- horrible.
# times WAC commish has said "WAC and MWC ......(proving something, as good as BCS teams, etc.) -- 472.
# times MWC commish has said "WAC and MWC ...." -- ZERO!
#5 MWC vs #3 WAC.....I'd say we are getting screwed and should have gotten a better opponent. Oh well, it'll be nice getting a victory after being absent from bowls for so long.
Last 4 years.
MWC vs WAC 27-19 --- MWC is winning 2 out of every 3.
Cream of the WAC crop, Boise, is 1-3 in bowl games. Great against crappy WAC teams then gets spanked.
MWC vs AQ conferences -- 34-40 (not great, not bad); WAC vs AQ conferences -- 14-71 (pathetic)
MWC vs SEC -- 3-2 (including a Poke victory of Tennessee); WAC vs SEC -- 1-12 (OMG are you kidding?)
MWC in bowl games -- 12-6 -- pretty good.
WAC in bowl games -- 6-10 -- horrible.
# times WAC commish has said "WAC and MWC ......(proving something, as good as BCS teams, etc.) -- 472.
# times MWC commish has said "WAC and MWC ...." -- ZERO!
#5 MWC vs #3 WAC.....I'd say we are getting screwed and should have gotten a better opponent. Oh well, it'll be nice getting a victory after being absent from bowls for so long.
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy said:
Do you really want to do this here? This has been a nice friendly thread but your questions are primed to devolve into the kind of smackfest that you find on the MWC board. Every point you can make, I have a counterargument for -- sometimes sufficient; sometimes not. And I also have a point of my own -- that you have a counterargument for -- sometimes sufficient; sometimes not.
For example, you say that the MWC is winning 2/3rds of our encounters -- which I haven't checked but will accept as fact for now. Let me ask you this: How many of each conference's wins were against one of the bottom three teams in the other conference? You guys have loaded up on wins against Utah State, New Mexico State and Idaho -- and that distorts the results considerably.
Beyond that, I'd just as soon pass on your post.
Yoda out...
Subcanis
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I just beat Fresno 68-44 on NCAA 2004.
My prediction for the 2009 NM Bowl:
WY 68-44 over Fresno, with Bouknight catching 5 tds for 304 yards.
Bouknight is starting... right?
Ill be in Vegas with my savings account suckers.
PS: Yoda is, in fact, a troll. I've been lurking the MWC board a long time.
My prediction for the 2009 NM Bowl:
WY 68-44 over Fresno, with Bouknight catching 5 tds for 304 yards.
Bouknight is starting... right?
Ill be in Vegas with my savings account suckers.
PS: Yoda is, in fact, a troll. I've been lurking the MWC board a long time.
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy
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Sorry Yoda, I shouldn't have mentioned actual facts in a smack thread. Looks like I win!
(OK, I can't verify how many times Benson has tried to ride the MWC shirt tails)
(OK, I can't verify how many times Benson has tried to ride the MWC shirt tails)
Asmodeanreborn
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I'll be the first one to admit that Wyoming's feasted on Utah State's suckiness as of late, but it's not like you know how good a team is going to be when you schedule it, most of the time. Unlike with AQ teams, recruiting isn't always so easy for MWC, WAC and so on. I doubt Wyoming's intentions with Utah State was to have a cup cake on their schedule, or they would've looked to get more teams like North Dakota, Northern Colorado, etc.
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy said:
I don't think Benson has tried to ride your shirt tails.
The MWC is trying to separate itself from the rest of the non-AQs. It is in your best interest that you do so. It is not in our best interest that you do so, however. I don't think that Benson is trying to ride your shirt tails. I think he's trying to nail them to the floor.
Or at least, he's trying to separate us both from the other three non-AQs.
Yoda out...
Asmodeanreborn said:
I didn't mean that the decision to "over" schedule our bottom three teams was an intentional attempt to stack the come out in a head-to-head comparison between the conferences. I think it is just a geographically close non-conference game. I'm guessing both teams bus to it and make more money as a result.
That said, it still skews the head-to-head comparison between the conferences.
Yoda out...
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy
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TCU has only played 1 of those and that was against your champion. Wyo as a lower MWC team has beaten Tennessee, Ol Miss, Virginia, and others along with playing Boisie acouple times. Keep coming up with excuses as to why ACTUAL results don't count.
Dread_Pirate_Cowboy said:
It was Mark Twain who said, "There are three kinds of liars -- liars, damned liars, and statisticians." You my friend are cheating. I didn't say to selectively look through those 46 games over the past four years to pull out a couple of "for instances" that support you.
I asked that you give me these specific numbers:
# of WAC wins against the bottom 3 MWC schools
# of MWC wins against the bottom 3 WAC schools
I think you will find that perhaps more than half of the MWC wins came from beating up on our bottom three -- while not very many of our wins over the MWC came from doing the same to your bottom three.
The point isn't that we are better than you are. The point is that the head-to-head record that MWC fans often rub our noses in is a poor sampling that suggests a greater difference in the quality of the two conferences than actually exists.
Yoda out...
