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Punched in the mouth

Wyoirish

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So be it but this seaason is far from over. It kinda cracks me up how this board is so manic/depressive through a season. I laughed after the Northern Colorado game when people were questioning our team because the O only scored 21 pts. Then came the Air Force game and then people were predicting a 10 and 11 win season and the same guys were all of the sudden in love with DC. Guys that wanted to slit his throat last year and then threw away there knife have all the sudden found it again and are ready to cut ties with this year. Jesus, how this board needs some Zanax. Laughable.

Sat was painful, no doubts about that, but this group must learn how to win consistently. We have three new guys upfront, 1 soph, and 1 Sr. Our O is not a finished product by any means and they will continue to refine themselves as the year progresses. TSU scared me all the way back to the Spring because they are, quite simply, TX kids, pretty much all of them and I knew theyd be better than they were in 2011. These are the kids that have plenty of talent, that for some reason cant get into the big 4 (UT, AM, TT, TCU). You can throw Hou and UTEP in there as well but these kids have loads of talent so dont kid yourselves. This will be one of the best Defenses that we face all year and is better then probably 85% of the D's in the MWC. They kicked the shit out of us upfront and we have to get that fixed. Say what you want about Orakpo but that kid has a) cleaned up his act from his days at CSU and b) will get a shot at the NFL. He is a legitamate and versatile LB who will be one of the better LB's we face this season.

Without a running game we, again, are reduced to a shell of ourselves. Brett wasnt great but dammit he shouldnt have to be great for us to be able to win. I realize the O goes through him, as it should, but by no means is he a one man show. Just as he isnt in the wins we've had. He and we need all 10 other guys to do the job consistently if we are going to be successful and rarely, did we have all 11 doing it together on each play. Give TSU credit, I believe they will be successful and go to a bowl this season if they can get better on O. Their D is a top 25 D and you can mark that down now. One thing is for sure though our WR's had by far, their worst game of the season. Dom's had a great season, but his loss shouldn't all of the sudden make us impotent. People need to step up and know what they are doing and that didnt happen Sat. Nico was hurt and that didnt help as he's a pretty good WR. Robert Herron should have had 3 TDs on Sat but he flat-out dropped a TD down the sideline and couldnt get his foot in on the other TD. He needs to get better. Everyone needs to get better and I believe they will.

D was sloppy but they can reign that in. Need to wrap up and be more physical and we'll get better. NM starts the real season and we typically play well against NM. The next week is Boot week, and, well, we all know how that goes. If you've given up on this team, than get your ass out of here and don't come back. If not, take the punch that was squarely delivered in the mouth, spit out the blood, recoil, and get your hands ready to unload on the next opponent and be prepared to keep punching the rest of the year.
 
I haven't given up, but Saturday was like getting kicked in the balls in an endless loop. Still feel swollen and bruised, metaphorically speaking.

But our o-line was literally pushed around all game. Take Brett Smith's designed run play up the middle. As soon as he tucked it, our o-line was pushed in to the point Brett was surrounded by his own linemen standing up. And some of those defenders were linebackers pushing around o-linemen. That's not encouraging.

Outside of Rufran, who got injured early on, our recievers forgot how to catch, though our true freshmen reciever Gentry, he remembered, but only so much you can do when you're covered that much. The others didn't step up, even when Smith hit them right where the ball needed to go, they dropped it. Smith himself was having an off night, but as I said before, the o-line was pushed around at will.

RBs, well, can't hold too much against them if defenders are already waiting in the gap they're supposed to hit when they get the hand off.

Defense, they had actually been wrapping up against Air Force (watching the game, they would get hit from behind at the knees when going after the Air Force player), UNC, Idaho, and even Nebraska. This game, they regressed to last year.

Our punter/kicker did fine. No complaints there.
 
This bye week is needed for the team to rest....but crappy for fans. We get to chew on this for two weeks....as does the team. Its one game....we have seen instances where UW has great seasons (2011) with one inexplicably pathetic result. I think this game was an aberration, but we'll have to wait to find out. All I can say is that these next two games are vital. Wyoming must beat UNM and CSU to go 5-2 into the nasty fray where the team plays one semi-tough game (@San Jose St.) and 3 tough-to-very tough games (Fresno, @Boise, @Utah St,). Losing to TSU was unexpected, and puts a small dent into UW's bowl hopes, but its not fatal. This team will play in a bowl. Hawaii and Colorado St. may make UW earn its wins against those two, but they'll win regardless. New Mexico has beat down written all over it. That's 6 wins.....so take a deep breath. Sure, some fans have bigger aspirations, but after last seasons embarrassing fuck-up, a bowl game in 2013 would be a step forward. I'll stick by my preseason prediction: Wyoming will either go 7-5 or 8-4.

But I get it. We are all over the place. Beat down a pathetic Air Force team: BCS HERE WE COME BABY!!!! Lose to Texas State: I'll grab the pitchforks, you warm up the truck.
 
J-Rod said:
This bye week is needed for the team to rest....but crappy for fans. We get to chew on this for two weeks....as does the team. Its one game....we have seen instances where UW has great seasons (2011) with one inexplicably pathetic result. I think this game was an aberration, but we'll have to wait to find out. All I can say is that these next two games are vital. Wyoming must beat UNM and CSU to go 5-2 into the nasty fray where the team plays one semi-tough game (@San Jose St.) and 3 tough-to-very tough games (Fresno, @Boise, @Utah St,). Losing to TSU was unexpected, and puts a small dent into UW's bowl hopes, but its not fatal. This team will play in a bowl. Hawaii and Colorado St. may make UW earn its wins against those two, but they'll win regardless. New Mexico has beat down written all over it. That's 6 wins.....so take a deep breath. Sure, some fans have bigger aspirations, but after last seasons embarrassing fuck-up, a bowl game in 2013 would be a step forward. I'll stick by my preseason prediction: Wyoming will either go 7-5 or 8-4.

But I get it. We are all over the place. Beat down a pathetic Air Force team: BCS HERE WE COME BABY!!!! Lose to Texas State: I'll grab the pitchforks, you warm up the truck.
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
 
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
 
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.

Which one? :whistle:
 
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?
 
I'm definitely not mailing in the season BUT.....................

Our margin of error went down a lot after this past weekend. A win at Texas State meant a slip up game later was a mulligan. Texas State was our slip up game.

I see us going 6-6. Assuming we have NO slip-ups. Literally. No more.

W - New Mex
W- CSU
L - @ SJSU
L- Fresno State
L - @ Boise State
W- Hawaii
L- @ USU

I am trying to believe we can pick off a Fresno State or SJSU, but conversely I can see us slipping against a CSU.

Pull it together Cowboys.
 
djm19 said:
I'm definitely not mailing in the season BUT.....................

Our margin of error went down a lot after this past weekend. A win at Texas State meant a slip up game later was a mulligan. Texas State was our slip up game.

I see us going 6-6. Assuming we have NO slip-ups. Literally. No more.

W - New Mex
W- CSU
L - @ SJSU
L- Fresno State
L - @ Boise State
W- Hawaii
L- @ USU

I am trying to believe we can pick off a Fresno State or SJSU, but conversely I can see us slipping against a CSU.

Pull it together Cowboys.

W - New Mex
Can go either way rivalry games can't be assumed. - CSU
W - @ SJSU
This could go either way - Fresno State
Boise has our number even when they play bad we struggle with them - @ Boise State
W- Hawaii
This game will be a challenge but we have just as much of a chance to win as lose - @ USU

3.5 hour rain delay can cripple anyone, Texas St imo wasn't that good, Their QB is going to be good but we were flat out awful. The offense started getting into sync before the delay but after it they were asleep at the wheel.

We will see a different Wyoming team in the weeks to come.
 
Wyovanian said:
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?
 
Wyovanian said:
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?

You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.
 
Wyovanian said:
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

That is the killer right there. Too many WYO fans are satisfied with 7 or 8 wins, and a bowl bid. It is like the mentality has shifted from just 15 years ago to this "be happy and satisfied to have a winning season" we have today.

That isn't me. It has been too long, I have spent way too much money, and I am getting too damn old.

Up until last Saturday, I thought we were turning the corner.
 
McPeachy said:
Wyovanian said:
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

That is the killer right there. Too many WYO fans are satisfied with 7 or 8 wins, and a bowl bid. It is like the mentality has shifted from just 15 years ago to this "be happy and satisfied to have a winning season" we have today.

That isn't me. It has been too long, I have spent way too much money, and I am getting too damn old.

Up until last Saturday, I thought we were turning the corner.

So what your saying is coming out of the worst losing era of our history, we as fans cannot be excited after an8-5 year and call it a great season, even though the season before only yielded three (3) wins total?
People there is a difference from going from a 45-85 record, with your best seasons being avg at best, to 8-5. Fans love having a season or multiple seasons that stand out. We have a 7-5 bowl win season in 04, a 7-6 bowl win season in 09, and an 8-5 bowl loss season in 11.
There is also a difference when you have multiple 10 plus win seasons and then drop to 8-5. Texas and Mack Brown come to mind there. He goes 8-5 and their fan base is calling for his head.
What I do think is WYO is heading in the right direction (slowly) but mainly because we're doing it the right way. We're not paying off recruits and landing massive violations were starting to gain experience and talent in our roster. We are no longer considered the pushover of the conference. And we're winning more. I hope that one day we will be like Boise or Texas. But I also realize, we're not there yet, so I'm going to enjoy the good times we have along the way, instead of wasting however long it takes to get to greatness pissed off and constantly complaining. That's the difference between you and me.
 
kansasCowboy said:
McPeachy said:
Wyovanian said:
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

That is the killer right there. Too many WYO fans are satisfied with 7 or 8 wins, and a bowl bid. It is like the mentality has shifted from just 15 years ago to this "be happy and satisfied to have a winning season" we have today.

That isn't me. It has been too long, I have spent way too much money, and I am getting too damn old.

Up until last Saturday, I thought we were turning the corner.

So what your saying is coming out of the worst losing era of our history, we as fans cannot be excited after an8-5 year and call it a great season, even though the season before only yielded three (3) wins total?
People there is a difference from going from a 45-85 record, with your best seasons being avg at best, to 8-5. Fans love having a season or multiple seasons that stand out. We have a 7-5 bowl win season in 04, a 7-6 bowl win season in 09, and an 8-5 bowl loss season in 11.
There is also a difference when you have multiple 10 plus win seasons and then drop to 8-5. Texas and Mack Brown come to mind there. He goes 8-5 and their fan base is calling for his head.
What I do think is WYO is heading in the right direction (slowly) but mainly because we're doing it the right way. We're not paying off recruits and landing massive violations were starting to gain experience and talent in our roster. We are no longer considered the pushover of the conference. And we're winning more. I hope that one day we will be like Boise or Texas. But I also realize, we're not there yet, so I'm going to enjoy the good times we have along the way, instead of wasting however long it takes to get to greatness pissed off and constantly complaining. That's the difference between you and me.

No. I am saying that going 7 & 5 or 8 & 5 is not where the "bar" should be set for UW football, but that it maybe - quite honestly - and evidently - slipped there. Especially when you look at those 7 or 8 wins and who they were against. If 7 & 5 or 8 & 5 was mixed in with a few 10 win seasons here and there, a MWC championship every so often, and we actually beat a team that is worth a shit, you wouldn't hear from me about 7 & 5 or 8 & 5 seasons.

To clarify, I am NOT complaining, I am expressing my opinion, and desire as a booster and fan, for UW to have higher expectations than being a mediocre 8 & 5 team.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?


You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.
No, Rome was not built in a day. But we're not building a civilazation. It's a football program. It didn't take Boise State decades or even years as an FBS team to become a winning program, and as a charter member of NCAA Football it shouldn't take Wyoming over a decade to return to respectably competitive levels.

Couple that with a coach who seems to lose for the same reasons over and over again, yet appears secure in his position, and you've got all the signs and symptoms of a program resigned to mediocrity, complacent in a lack of vision.
 
djm19 said:
I'm definitely not mailing in the season BUT.....................

Our margin of error went down a lot after this past weekend. A win at Texas State meant a slip up game later was a mulligan. Texas State was our slip up game.

I see us going 6-6. Assuming we have NO slip-ups. Literally. No more.

W - New Mex
W- CSU
L - @ SJSU
L- Fresno State
L - @ Boise State
W- Hawaii
L- @ USU

I am trying to believe we can pick off a Fresno State or SJSU, but conversely I can see us slipping against a CSU.

Pull it together Cowboys.

Pretty much agree, but I think our chances are better against SJSU than UNM or CSU. Both the sheep and Lobos offer their greatest strength against our greatest weakness (Run Offense vs. Run Defense). I just don't see how we can get either of them off the field more than once or twice. That's a tall order to ask Brett and company to stand on the sidelines while the other team goes on 6 minute TD drives and come back and answer with a TD of their own every time, not matter how many struggles UNM and CSU have had on the defensive side of the ball.
 
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?

You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.

Pretty sure this is DC's 5th season. Also pretty sure that Glenn's teams, however poor they may have been, do not represent the lowest of the low which clearly occurred in 2000.

I don't really see how DC's teams are dramatically different than Glenn's to this point. I mean, they are different in style (offense/defense), but not in substance (W/L).
 
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?

You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.

Didn't Utah State just do this under Gary Andersen?

There are plenty of other examples too. I guess we need at least 20 years.
 
HiCountryCowboy said:
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
kansasCowboy said:
Wyovanian said:
J-Rod said:
Wyovanian said:
Your bar's set kind of low, no?
8-4 is much better than what fans endured dating back to the beginning of the Bush administration. Rome wasn't built in a day.....8-4 is considered great until its repeated many times and is no longer considered as such.
Soooo... 2011 was a "great" season for Cowboy Football?

When the previous 11yrs up to 2011 gives us an overall record of 45-85... I would say an 8-5 season with a fresh QB is a great season. We've spent the last decade digging out of a hole as a program from the early 2Ks, that means any success is great! Everyone thought that DCs first year at 7-6 was a great year. That's because we're the program climbing up out of the mire of our recent past. We are not a top program like Texas where 8-5 seasons are a disappointment.
And that is the heart of Wyoming's problem. Diminished expectations.

How about Boise State? Are they a "top program like Texas"?

You got me all wrong. What I stated was that we are not a top program "YET". I don't remember who said it on here but they had it right in saying, "Rome wasn't built in a day." You can't just expect us to go from the lowest of lows to the highest of highs within a couple of years. And if you do, you are simply dillusional.
And yes Boise has been a top program for some time. 10-3 was a disappointment for them last year. But Boise is also young in history and has never had a 5-29 shamble with a coach that they had to make right.

Didn't Utah State just do this under Gary Andersen?

There are plenty of other examples too. I guess we need at least 20 years.
It took him a few years though.
 

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