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P12 - MWC

doreno5 said:
I would be good with stepping down a tier provided we have a consistently winning team. Think of NDSU or Montana State but with a basketball team like those with Dembo. Leckner, Bailey, Davis Adams etc. .
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I'm having a hard time with this parallel right now. NDSU went 21-11 with a loss in the 1st round of their conference tournament. Montana State went 15-18 and lost in the 2nd round of their conference tournament. We can, and have done better than that, while supporting football.

Maybe I'm a contrarian, but even if we eliminated football in favor of basketball, I'm not confident that we'd be able to recruit (read: pay) the right players (and coaches) to make a splash.

In the last 5 years, could we have paid/recruited players away from schools like Creighton, Iowa State, and Iowa? I don't think so.
 
TheRealUW said:
Yes, those numbers do include an 8th football member.

It's not an extravagantly high number, but it is at least 40% higher than what the MWC is likely to get. It also is enough to allow the PAC to offset any poaching penalties they have to pay the MWC over a relatively short period of time.

It's all kind of a wash for the next 5-10 years...but the PAC will be in a much better position than the MWC if we start to look out 10+ years.
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The pac will not exist in 5-10 years. Once Boise finally finds their pot of luck at the end of a rainbow, there’s nobody left with a brand that anyone outside of the western region cares about nationally. Sorry Wazzu and OSU, you aren’t that. Regardless of a million or two differences between us and them, we’re all just group of 6 conferences fighting for one spot to compete in a playoff. No different from how we’ve already been grappling with that spot with the AAC. The advantage for the new MWC might be similar to the AAC’s recent success. The champion is usually pretty separated from the pack and runs the table. Win a couple of out of conference games against P4 teams, and you’re in the driver’s seat.
Again, winning cures a lot. Last year was hopefully an anomaly and won’t happen again.
 
Cowboy20 said:
The pac will not exist in 5-10 years. Once Boise finally finds their pot of luck at the end of a rainbow, there’s nobody left with a brand that anyone outside of the western region cares about nationally. Sorry Wazzu and OSU, you aren’t that. Regardless of a million or two differences between us and them, we’re all just group of 6 conferences fighting for one spot to compete in a playoff. No different from how we’ve already been grappling with that spot with the AAC. The advantage for the new MWC might be similar to the AAC’s recent success. The champion is usually pretty separated from the pack and runs the table. Win a couple of out of conference games against P4 teams, and you’re in the driver’s seat.
Again, winning cures a lot. Last year was hopefully an anomaly and won’t happen again.
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Yup. 💯. There is no difference between us and them once Boise leaves
 
Cowboy20 said:
The pac will not exist in 5-10 years. Once Boise finally finds their pot of luck at the end of a rainbow, there’s nobody left with a brand that anyone outside of the western region cares about nationally. Sorry Wazzu and OSU, you aren’t that. Regardless of a million or two differences between us and them, we’re all just group of 6 conferences fighting for one spot to compete in a playoff. No different from how we’ve already been grappling with that spot with the AAC. The advantage for the new MWC might be similar to the AAC’s recent success. The champion is usually pretty separated from the pack and runs the table. Win a couple of out of conference games against P4 teams, and you’re in the driver’s seat.
Again, winning cures a lot. Last year was hopefully an anomaly and won’t happen again.
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Hence, my belief we'll see the Benedict 5 back on our conference schedules except for the Smurfs and probably Oregon State. BTW, should I end up being right, I do think Gonzaga either ends up back in the West Coast Conference or does something really stupid and joins the Big East.
 
TheRealUW said:
We talk a lot about Boise State (me included) as an example of a small market school that built upon a string of successes allowing them to build a national brand and "move up" as much as is possible in the college football world that exists today.

Do we know, or have any educated guesses, as to how they did it? Did they have unusually high support for the football/athletic program in the administrative department? Did they pay their coaches top of the league salaries? Was the state of Idaho helping fund the Boise State athletics department at a high level? Did they figure out a formula to find an unusually high amount of talented athletes that were being overlooked?
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Now NFL team between Denver and Seattle gave them more than just college football fans. When they won a lot, tons of locals jumped on the bandwagon.
 
doreno5 said:
I would be good with stepping down a tier provided we have a consistently winning team. Think of NDSU or Montana State but with a basketball team like those with Dembo. Leckner, Bailey, Davis Adams etc. .
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Our administration and leadership would get their asses kicked in FCS. We'll be middle of the pack or worse in the Big Sky.
 
The Nevada sports writer shared this from the AD at North Texas:

"If the monetary benefit of going to the Pac-12 was significant, they would have already filled that spot. When you look at teams in the American Athletic Conference, we’ve got one of the better television deals in the Group of 5. That just doesn’t make a lot of sense if you’re not receiving a significant financial windfall above and beyond where you are right now."

The only “cheap” option for the pee12 to be a viable conference is Texas State. I hope Texas State demands some special financial considerations. They are in the best negotiating position. Otherwise, to grab a MWC team it would be a $36 million cost just to have a conference.

Look for the Texas State announcement soon as they only cost $5 million now.

Come on MWC - do not give in to reducing the exit fees. Get the $90 million from the traitors and anything over $10 million from the pee2.

Also - the P12 is going to Washington DC to lobby for federal legislation. Here’s the story:

P12 to lobby congress
 
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ragtimejoe1 said:
nevadasportsnet.com

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam
nevadasportsnet.com nevadasportsnet.com

I suspect more this than some arbitrary saturated dma calculation. Of course several factors come into play but my guess is more weight on this type of analysis.
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I like the focus on the value of success instead of being braggadocios about leading the conference in salaries and facilities fundraising.

Every gym class has dorks who have to play even if they drag their assigned team down.

We have a tough time being competitive in anything and our major sports have been lackluster for the majority of the last 2 decades of which any noticeable recognition could have been built.

Yep - the 6-6 football fail to complete a pass seasons put fear in the MWC.
 
PorkerPoke said:
I like the focus on the value of success instead of being braggadocios about leading the conference in salaries and facilities fundraising.

Every gym class has dorks who have to play even if they drag their assigned team down.

We have a tough time being competitive in anything and our major sports have been lackluster for the majority of the last 2 decades of which any noticeable recognition could have been built.

Yep - the 6-6 football fail to complete a pass seasons put fear in the MWC.
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That's been my issue with all the poor me WYO stuff. It's a lot easier to blame a bunch of stuff that you can't control than it is to accept maybe we just aren't doing a good job. The doing more with less narrative drives me crazy.

In all honesty, from top to bottom, it's time to either move to all club sports for our 8 or 9k students or have a serious outside evaluation of the athletic department with a clear strategic plan, measurable objectives and subsequent key performance indicators. If those indicators aren't met, then that needs to be addressed, not just glossed over with some "cowboy tough" slogan. The new MWC is coming, and it is a perfect time for another Sternberg-like evaluation.
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
nevadasportsnet.com

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam
nevadasportsnet.com nevadasportsnet.com

I suspect more this than some arbitrary saturated dma calculation. Of course several factors come into play but my guess is more weight on this type of analysis.
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Wow we SUCK! Screw you, Tom Burman and BOT
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
nevadasportsnet.com

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam
nevadasportsnet.com nevadasportsnet.com

I suspect more this than some arbitrary saturated dma calculation. Of course several factors come into play but my guess is more weight on this type of analysis.
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Absolutely depressing to see us behind San Jose St (universally panned on here since joining as a waste of an invite) and only ahead of football-only Hawaii by 11 (if I calculated their score correctly).
 
ragtimejoe1 said:
nevadasportsnet.com

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam
nevadasportsnet.com nevadasportsnet.com

I suspect more this than some arbitrary saturated dma calculation. Of course several factors come into play but my guess is more weight on this type of analysis.
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UW is the Colorado Rockies of college athletics. Just bad at everything yet no plans or effort at change.
 
PorkerPoke said:
The pee12 now has CBS as its primary media partner.
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Probably not ideal for the MWC.

It's possible CBS could partner with both the PAC and MWC, but I think it's more likely this is a sign that CBS does not plan to bid on the upcoming MWC media rights negotiations.

One big missing piece of information is when CBS will be airing PAC games. Saturday afternoons? Thursday and Friday nights? I think there is a chance they may even put some PAC games on Sunday evenings after CBS wraps up their NFL coverage for the day.

All in all, this is not good for the MWC. We are quickly approaching the point where the outcome of the lawsuit almost doesn't matter...the PAC will be able to absorb whatever financial debts comes it's way.
 
PorkerPoke said:
Exactly. They are homers. I was just noting that all of a sudden they weren’t be so bullish on when the media deal will be done and now the bottom range is getting to be a lower number. When they start talking about a sun belt team playing for free for a year just to join it makes you wonder. I also detected a different tone of the potential money owed the MWC of not being so bold that the MWC will implode and suddenly a bunch of teams like UNLV will become available.

What I do hear consistently from various outlets is the thought that the potential money a merger would have brought is more likely to be split between the two conferences due to competition for time slots but with nothing significant in name brand to garner more interest than these programs already had in the MWC. This is the big media deal in terms of value.

For the most part everything is pure speculation at this point and those two clowns have the biggest opinion shifts surrounding them. That’s what most of this information is - opinions. I look for consistent patterns and the one thing that is most consistent is raiding the AAC is not an option which was a huge target for the Pea12.

In my opinion the only way an AAC program would consider is a big payday guarantee above the current AAC value with full rights equal to WSU and OSU. The allure of the next “P” level conference is not the reality that sucked the MWC traitors away otherwise Memphis and Tulane would’ve jumped long ago.

Never say never in this environment but there aren’t many cards to play with and money is the issue of which the piggy bank is down to coins now.

Nothing has to be in place until July 2026 so this can drag on for a while. That’s maybe why no mediator has been named yet. Guys like W & C need the attention to keep selling their opinions and will create speculation. You have to read between the lines.
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Why? How much is the deal for?
 
TheRealUW said:
Probably not ideal for the MWC.

It's possible CBS could partner with both the PAC and MWC, but I think it's more likely this is a sign that CBS does not plan to bid on the upcoming MWC media rights negotiations.

One big missing piece of information is when CBS will be airing PAC games. Saturday afternoons? Thursday and Friday nights? I think there is a chance they may even put some PAC games on Sunday evenings after CBS wraps up their NFL coverage for the day.

All in all, this is not good for the MWC. We are quickly approaching the point where the outcome of the lawsuit almost doesn't matter...the PAC will be able to absorb whatever financial debts comes it's way.
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I’m trying not to think of the MWC as the western MAC or one step above the CUSA.
 
TheRealUW said:
Probably not ideal for the MWC.

It's possible CBS could partner with both the PAC and MWC, but I think it's more likely this is a sign that CBS does not plan to bid on the upcoming MWC media rights negotiations.

One big missing piece of information is when CBS will be airing PAC games. Saturday afternoons? Thursday and Friday nights? I think there is a chance they may even put some PAC games on Sunday evenings after CBS wraps up their NFL coverage for the day.

All in all, this is not good for the MWC. We are quickly approaching the point where the outcome of the lawsuit almost doesn't matter...the PAC will be able to absorb whatever financial debts comes it's way.
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I agree. It seems to me that the PAC just got the media deal the MWC would have got had the league stayed together. It’s basically a continuation of the current deal but now going to the PAC.

That said - I’m not sad if the MWC loses CBS and more particularly CBSSN. That is the worst network in terms of distribution and limits viewing options. I’d love for CW, FS1 and FS2 over that.
 
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