P12 - MWC

[PAPoke]

I would be good with stepping down a tier provided we have a consistently winning team. Think of NDSU or Montana State but with a basketball team like those with Dembo. Leckner, Bailey, Davis Adams etc. .

I'm having a hard time with this parallel right now. NDSU went 21-11 with a loss in the 1st round of their conference tournament. Montana State went 15-18 and lost in the 2nd round of their conference tournament. We can, and have done better than that, while supporting football.

Maybe I'm a contrarian, but even if we eliminated football in favor of basketball, I'm not confident that we'd be able to recruit (read: pay) the right players (and coaches) to make a splash.

In the last 5 years, could we have paid/recruited players away from schools like Creighton, Iowa State, and Iowa? I don't think so.

 

[Cowboy20]

Yes, those numbers do include an 8th football member.

It's not an extravagantly high number, but it is at least 40% higher than what the MWC is likely to get. It also is enough to allow the PAC to offset any poaching penalties they have to pay the MWC over a relatively short period of time.

It's all kind of a wash for the next 5-10 years...but the PAC will be in a much better position than the MWC if we start to look out 10+ years.

The pac will not exist in 5-10 years. Once Boise finally finds their pot of luck at the end of a rainbow, there’s nobody left with a brand that anyone outside of the western region cares about nationally. Sorry Wazzu and OSU, you aren’t that. Regardless of a million or two differences between us and them, we’re all just group of 6 conferences fighting for one spot to compete in a playoff. No different from how we’ve already been grappling with that spot with the AAC. The advantage for the new MWC might be similar to the AAC’s recent success. The champion is usually pretty separated from the pack and runs the table. Win a couple of out of conference games against P4 teams, and you’re in the driver’s seat.
Again, winning cures a lot. Last year was hopefully an anomaly and won’t happen again.

 

[LanderPoke]

The pac will not exist in 5-10 years. Once Boise finally finds their pot of luck at the end of a rainbow, there’s nobody left with a brand that anyone outside of the western region cares about nationally. Sorry Wazzu and OSU, you aren’t that. Regardless of a million or two differences between us and them, we’re all just group of 6 conferences fighting for one spot to compete in a playoff. No different from how we’ve already been grappling with that spot with the AAC. The advantage for the new MWC might be similar to the AAC’s recent success. The champion is usually pretty separated from the pack and runs the table. Win a couple of out of conference games against P4 teams, and you’re in the driver’s seat.
Again, winning cures a lot. Last year was hopefully an anomaly and won’t happen again.

Yup. . There is no difference between us and them once Boise leaves

 

[Wyokie]

The pac will not exist in 5-10 years. Once Boise finally finds their pot of luck at the end of a rainbow, there’s nobody left with a brand that anyone outside of the western region cares about nationally. Sorry Wazzu and OSU, you aren’t that. Regardless of a million or two differences between us and them, we’re all just group of 6 conferences fighting for one spot to compete in a playoff. No different from how we’ve already been grappling with that spot with the AAC. The advantage for the new MWC might be similar to the AAC’s recent success. The champion is usually pretty separated from the pack and runs the table. Win a couple of out of conference games against P4 teams, and you’re in the driver’s seat.
Again, winning cures a lot. Last year was hopefully an anomaly and won’t happen again.

Hence, my belief we'll see the Benedict 5 back on our conference schedules except for the Smurfs and probably Oregon State. BTW, should I end up being right, I do think Gonzaga either ends up back in the West Coast Conference or does something really stupid and joins the Big East.

 

[Brew_Poke]

We talk a lot about Boise State (me included) as an example of a small market school that built upon a string of successes allowing them to build a national brand and "move up" as much as is possible in the college football world that exists today.

Do we know, or have any educated guesses, as to how they did it? Did they have unusually high support for the football/athletic program in the administrative department? Did they pay their coaches top of the league salaries? Was the state of Idaho helping fund the Boise State athletics department at a high level? Did they figure out a formula to find an unusually high amount of talented athletes that were being overlooked?

Now NFL team between Denver and Seattle gave them more than just college football fans. When they won a lot, tons of locals jumped on the bandwagon.

 

[Brew_Poke]

I would be good with stepping down a tier provided we have a consistently winning team. Think of NDSU or Montana State but with a basketball team like those with Dembo. Leckner, Bailey, Davis Adams etc. .

Our administration and leadership would get their asses kicked in FCS. We'll be middle of the pack or worse in the Big Sky.

 

[PorkerPoke]

The Nevada sports writer shared this from the AD at North Texas:

"If the monetary benefit of going to the Pac-12 was significant, they would have already filled that spot. When you look at teams in the American Athletic Conference, we’ve got one of the better television deals in the Group of 5. That just doesn’t make a lot of sense if you’re not receiving a significant financial windfall above and beyond where you are right now."

The only “cheap” option for the pee12 to be a viable conference is Texas State. I hope Texas State demands some special financial considerations. They are in the best negotiating position. Otherwise, to grab a MWC team it would be a $36 million cost just to have a conference.

Look for the Texas State announcement soon as they only cost $5 million now.

Come on MWC - do not give in to reducing the exit fees. Get the $90 million from the traitors and anything over $10 million from the pee2.

Also - the P12 is going to Washington DC to lobby for federal legislation. Here’s the story:

P12 to lobby congress

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam

nevadasportsnet.com

I suspect more this than some arbitrary saturated dma calculation. Of course several factors come into play but my guess is more weight on this type of analysis.

 

[PorkerPoke]

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam

nevadasportsnet.com

I suspect more this than some arbitrary saturated dma calculation. Of course several factors come into play but my guess is more weight on this type of analysis.

I like the focus on the value of success instead of being braggadocios about leading the conference in salaries and facilities fundraising.

Every gym class has dorks who have to play even if they drag their assigned team down.

We have a tough time being competitive in anything and our major sports have been lackluster for the majority of the last 2 decades of which any noticeable recognition could have been built.

Yep - the 6-6 football fail to complete a pass seasons put fear in the MWC.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

I like the focus on the value of success instead of being braggadocios about leading the conference in salaries and facilities fundraising.

Every gym class has dorks who have to play even if they drag their assigned team down.

We have a tough time being competitive in anything and our major sports have been lackluster for the majority of the last 2 decades of which any noticeable recognition could have been built.

Yep - the 6-6 football fail to complete a pass seasons put fear in the MWC.

That's been my issue with all the poor me WYO stuff. It's a lot easier to blame a bunch of stuff that you can't control than it is to accept maybe we just aren't doing a good job. The doing more with less narrative drives me crazy.

In all honesty, from top to bottom, it's time to either move to all club sports for our 8 or 9k students or have a serious outside evaluation of the athletic department with a clear strategic plan, measurable objectives and subsequent key performance indicators. If those indicators aren't met, then that needs to be addressed, not just glossed over with some "cowboy tough" slogan. The new MWC is coming, and it is a perfect time for another Sternberg-like evaluation.

 

[LanderPoke]

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam

nevadasportsnet.com

I suspect more this than some arbitrary saturated dma calculation. Of course several factors come into play but my guess is more weight on this type of analysis.

Wow we SUCK! Screw you, Tom Burman and BOT

 

[cowpoke pride]

Which schools have brought the Mountain West the most value under current membership?

I received a message today asking me for a link to my story about which Mountain West members have contributed the most money to the conference via NCAA Tournam

nevadasportsnet.com

I suspect more this than some arbitrary saturated dma calculation. Of course several factors come into play but my guess is more weight on this type of analysis.

Absolutely depressing to see us behind San Jose St (universally panned on here since joining as a waste of an invite) and only ahead of football-only Hawaii by 11 (if I calculated their score correctly).