P12 - MWC

[PorkerPoke]

May 21 update…

No new mediation news yet.

Monty said today media sources are indicating that the pee12 and mwc media deals are likely to be similar $$. The number dropped was $6 million per school per year with maybe the pee12 could be a little more than the MWC because of Boise.

Like Bryoming said - throw it at the wall and see if it sticks. My thought on if the annual media income is similar, it won’t do a thing to pay the traitors back if they have to pay exit fees as currently defined.

The current facts are:

1) no announcement of mediation outcome
2) no grant of rights for any future pea12 member have been signed
3) no pee12 media deal beyond 2026 yet
4) no exit letters with the $5,000 payment to the MWC
5) the pee12 has only 7 football members

The clock is ticking and the big issue is #4 changes to a doubling of the exit fees after June 1 if not already completed.

 

[Bear Claw]

Not trying to be obtuse but wouldn’t the doubling of exit fees only be $10,000? That doesn’t seem like a major deterrent when the media deals are worth millions.

 

[PorkerPoke]

Not trying to be obtuse but wouldn’t the doubling of exit fees only be $10,000? That doesn’t seem like a major deterrent when the media deals are worth millions.

Good question.

The $5,000 is the fee to file the exit letter and is not refundable.

The actual exit fees are around $16 million if the exit is filed this year (the usu, csu and BSU lawsuit) and that would double if the exiting members don’t complete it to be recognized as giving a 1 year notice.

Ironically these 3 all agreed and voted for the fees when sdsu threatened to go big east or p12 a few years ago. Now they are saying the fees are excessive because they are nervous they will be in a financial hurt if they don’t get a huge media deal and OSU/wsu aren’t exactly throwing a pile of cash at them.

 

[Wyokie]

Why do I get the feeling there's going to be a "shotgun-wedding" between the PAC Whatever and the MW soon? Maybe we should invite some hillbillies from Arkansas to this wedding.

 

[TheRealUW]

Why do I get the feeling there's going to be a "shotgun-wedding" between the PAC Whatever and the MW soon? Maybe we should invite some hillbillies from Arkansas to this wedding.

Ultimately, a merger is the best possible outcome. It always has been the best option.

I know the tendency is to want to “punish” the MWC traitors, but punishment should not be the goal of the negotiations. The MWC should be seeking the best possible outcome for their long term success.

It’s unfortunate, but not surprising, that the little guys are ripping themselves apart for the mere thought experiment of ending up with the big boys. They would be much stronger if they banded together.

I would be happy with a PAC/MWC merger.

 

[Bear Claw]

Good question.

The $5,000 is the fee to file the exit letter and is not refundable.

The actual exit fees are around $16 million if the exit is filed this year (the usu, csu and BSU lawsuit) and that would double if the exiting members don’t complete it to be recognized as giving a 1 year notice.

Ironically these 3 all agreed and voted for the fees when sdsu threatened to go big east or p12 a few years ago. Now they are saying the fees are excessive because they are nervous they will be in a financial hurt if they don’t get a huge media deal and OSU/wsu aren’t exactly throwing a pile of cash at them.

Gotcha. Thank you for the information!

 

[PorkerPoke]

Ultimately, a merger is the best possible outcome. It always has been the best option.

I know the tendency is to want to “punish” the MWC traitors, but punishment should not be the goal of the negotiations. The MWC should be seeking the best possible outcome for their long term success.

It’s unfortunate, but not surprising, that the little guys are ripping themselves apart for the mere thought experiment of ending up with the big boys. They would be much stronger if they banded together.

I would be happy with a PAC/MWC merger.

It would be the maximum revenue for all most likely. Unfortunately, the pea12 has a mindset of moving away from “inferiority” and the 2 want total control which is why we constantly heard of raiding the AAC and gaining autonomy status.

I have heard that the pea12 has spent something like 12 million in legal fees in the last year.

They have to be nervous about the $$$. I don’t care about revenge to the traitors, I want the best for Wyoming in all of this and if it is a merger that works. If it means financial hurt for the pea12 members it won’t bother me.

 

[Bryoming]

May 21 update…

No new mediation news yet.

Monty said today media sources are indicating that the pee12 and mwc media deals are likely to be similar $$. The number dropped was $6 million per school per year with maybe the pee12 could be a little more than the MWC because of Boise.

Like Bryoming said - throw it at the wall and see if it sticks. My thought on if the annual media income is similar, it won’t do a thing to pay the traitors back if they have to pay exit fees as currently defined.

The current facts are:

1) no announcement of mediation outcome
2) no grant of rights for any future pea12 member have been signed
3) no pee12 media deal beyond 2026 yet
4) no exit letters with the $5,000 payment to the MWC
5) the pee12 has only 7 football members

The clock is ticking and the big issue is #4 changes to a doubling of the exit fees after June 1 if not already completed.

I appreciate the updates. Just so we're clear, I'm not throwing shade at you with my see what sticks comment. That's directed towards the Monty's and Calzano's of the world that claim to have insider information that turns out to be crap time and time again.

 

[LawPoke]

Ultimately, a merger is the best possible outcome. It always has been the best option.

I know the tendency is to want to “punish” the MWC traitors, but punishment should not be the goal of the negotiations. The MWC should be seeking the best possible outcome for their long term success.

It’s unfortunate, but not surprising, that the little guys are ripping themselves apart for the mere thought experiment of ending up with the big boys. They would be much stronger if they banded together.

I would be happy with a PAC/MWC merger.

I don’t disagree, although Utah State should be banished forever. Those backstabbing SOBs have tried to undercut us so many times that I’ve lost count.

As is clear and evident, my biggest issue is trust. The contracts and penalties for breach should be harsh, immediate, and not subject to litigation. I.e., They waive all right to dispute the terms of the deal. I know that isn’t realistic, but they cannot and should not be trusted. Any of them. And the agreements should reflect that they are traitors that cannot and should never be trusted. Never. They should never be permitted to control of even access the mechanisms to trigger dissolution, etc. We should assume that if their lips are moving, they are lying and, in Utah State’s case, trying to steal our wallets. Conniving, worthless, POSs.

We clearly have leverage and should use it. They will only slink back if they are desperate. Desperation gives us leverage - leverage we should use to protect ourselves and our interests - and ironically, use to protect THEIR dumb, narcissistic keesters.

 

[doreno5]

I don’t disagree, although Utah State should be banished forever. Those backstabbing SOBs have tried to undercut us so many times that I’ve lost count.

As is clear and evident, my biggest issue is trust. The contracts and penalties for breach should be harsh, immediate, and not subject to litigation. I.e., They waive all right to dispute the terms of the deal. I know that isn’t realistic, but they cannot and should not be trusted. Any of them. And the agreements should reflect that they are traitors that cannot and should never be trusted. Never. They should never be permitted to control of even access the mechanisms to trigger dissolution, etc. We should assume that if their lips are moving, they are lying and, in Utah State’s case, trying to steal our wallets. Conniving, worthless, POSs.

We clearly have leverage and should use it. They will only slink back if they are desperate. Desperation gives us leverage - leverage we should use to protect ourselves and our interests - and ironically, use to protect THEIR dumb, narcissistic keesters.

I also assume the networks are aware of the situation and are also playing hardball with Pac 7 as far as broadcast rights negotiations.

 

[LanderPoke]

I don’t disagree, although Utah State should be banished forever. Those backstabbing SOBs have tried to undercut us so many times that I’ve lost count.

As is clear and evident, my biggest issue is trust. The contracts and penalties for breach should be harsh, immediate, and not subject to litigation. I.e., They waive all right to dispute the terms of the deal. I know that isn’t realistic, but they cannot and should not be trusted. Any of them. And the agreements should reflect that they are traitors that cannot and should never be trusted. Never. They should never be permitted to control of even access the mechanisms to trigger dissolution, etc. We should assume that if their lips are moving, they are lying and, in Utah State’s case, trying to steal our wallets. Conniving, worthless, POSs.

We clearly have leverage and should use it. They will only slink back if they are desperate. Desperation gives us leverage - leverage we should use to protect ourselves and our interests - and ironically, use to protect THEIR dumb, narcissistic keesters.

they are the worst school in the history of the world. Slime

 

[LawPoke]

I also assume the networks are aware of the situation and are also playing hardball with Pac 7 as far as broadcast rights negotiations.

Desperate times require ample lubrication. Or some such thing. I hadn’t thought of the tv hardball. Great, smart post.

 

[PorkerPoke]

I appreciate the updates. Just so we're clear, I'm not throwing shade at you with my see what sticks comment. That's directed towards the Monty's and Calzano's of the world that claim to have insider information that turns out to be crap time and time again.

It’s all good and I am with you on that. I do have a more favorable view of Monty than any of the others because most just replicate whatever canzano or Wilner say and those two guys are still pumping the p2 will take AAC teams and get a TV deal closer to the B12’s.

I have actually read the MWC bylaws on membership termination and some of the lawsuit documents. Monty is the only one to refer to those documents and articulate the same understanding.

There are reasons why the critical deadlines are approaching and the silence is deafening.

Something has to give very shortly. If not by tomorrow (5-23) since it will be the Memorial Day weekend, then starting Tuesday (5-27) it will be only 4 business days until the traitors must exit the MWC formally or face a double the exit fees deadline which is Sunday June 1.

 

[Bear Claw]

It’s all good and I am with you on that. I do have a more favorable view of Monty than any of the others because most just replicate whatever canzano or Wilner say and those two guys are still pumping the p2 will take AAC teams and get a TV deal closer to the B12’s.

I have actually read the MWC bylaws on membership termination and some of the lawsuit documents. Monty is the only one to refer to those documents and articulate the same understanding.

There are reasons why the critical deadlines are approaching and the silence is deafening.

Something has to give very shortly. If not by tomorrow (5-23) since it will be the Memorial Day weekend, then starting Tuesday (5-27) it will be only 4 business days until the traitors must exit the MWC formally or face a double the exit fees deadline which is Sunday June 1.

I have a feeling that if no agreement has been reached that June 1 deadline is going to be extended.

 

[TheRealUW]

I don’t disagree, although Utah State should be banished forever. Those backstabbing SOBs have tried to undercut us so many times that I’ve lost count.

As is clear and evident, my biggest issue is trust. The contracts and penalties for breach should be harsh, immediate, and not subject to litigation. I.e., They waive all right to dispute the terms of the deal. I know that isn’t realistic, but they cannot and should not be trusted. Any of them. And the agreements should reflect that they are traitors that cannot and should never be trusted. Never. They should never be permitted to control of even access the mechanisms to trigger dissolution, etc. We should assume that if their lips are moving, they are lying and, in Utah State’s case, trying to steal our wallets. Conniving, worthless, POSs.

We clearly have leverage and should use it. They will only slink back if they are desperate. Desperation gives us leverage - leverage we should use to protect ourselves and our interests - and ironically, use to protect THEIR dumb, narcissistic keesters.

I completely agree with pretty much everything you said.

The hatred for the MWC traitors (especially USU) and the uppity holier than thou attitude of OSU and WSU is fully deserved. That hatred is one one of the things that makes college sports so great. It makes the wins so much higher and the losses so much lower...but that is exactly why people watch college sports. If it was simply about watching the best athlete's in the world, then professional sporting leagues are where it's at.

I wouldn't necessarily say I'd welcome them back, but I would be happy they were back. Regional teams that we have a long history with that I have even more reason to hate...I'm in.

 

[doreno5]

I have a feeling that if no agreement has been reached that June 1 deadline is going to be extended.

Why would the MW agree to give up their leverage? The only way you do that is if you get something in return.

 

[LawPoke]

Why would the MW agree to give up their leverage? The only way you do that is if you get something in return.

I have not read the relevant documents like Porker has, but absent some language that requires us to extend the June deadline, I agree. Put them in the pressure cooker and shorten their runway. Make them make a decision under duress. If we do extend the deadline, they should pay dearly - including a requirement that Utah State teams and coaches wear pink tu-tus in all men's contests next season. Filthy, backstabbing, traitorous cheats anyway.

 

[Bear Claw]

Why would the MW agree to give up their leverage? The only way you do that is if you get something in return.

I’m not a legal expert but with the MWC traitors still straddling the fence I am not certain how much leverage the MWC has? I believe the traitors still have voting power until they officially bolt.

 

[Brew_Poke]

Ultimately, a merger is the best possible outcome. It always has been the best option.

I know the tendency is to want to “punish” the MWC traitors, but punishment should not be the goal of the negotiations. The MWC should be seeking the best possible outcome for their long term success.

It’s unfortunate, but not surprising, that the little guys are ripping themselves apart for the mere thought experiment of ending up with the big boys. They would be much stronger if they banded together.

I would be happy with a PAC/MWC merger.

The best possible outcome is bringing CSU home, and the rest of them can twist in the wind, lol. A man can dream.

 

[Itsux2beaewe]

I also assume the networks are aware of the situation and are also playing hardball with Pac 7 as far as broadcast rights negotiations.

I can’t think of better karma than their media package to be crap!