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OOC schedule Woes

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Everyo9ne said our OOC schedule was pretty good with Cal, SMU, and NMSU. Obviously NMSU and Cal didn't pan out, but SMU is cuurently ranked #25 with an RPI.

I think Wyo has to go 4-1 to close the conference and make the conference finals to get an at-large bid. That's do-able.

That would put them at 26-8 on the season. If they 3-2 and go to the finals, they might have a shot - maybe 50-50.
 
At this point I really think winning the MWC Tournament is our only ticket. As of today the Pokes are 124th in Ken Pomeroy's RPI, almost exclusively due to the weak non-conference schedule.
 
Our RPI is 79 currently, according to CBS, which is the home network for the tournament.

Wyoming would be much better off in the future if we schedule a top-caliber road game against a Kansas, North Carolina, Gonzaga, Louisville, Arizona, etc. And then get a couple top 50 opponents, a few top 100's and try not to schedule more than 1 or two over 150.
 
MWC Tournament or MWC Regular Season Title I think those are the two teams that get to the dance from the MWC and no one gets an at large.
 
Sorry guys but even if Wyoming won the rest of the regular season games and won the first two games of the conference tournament and then lost in the championship game they would not get an at large bid.

All that would do is put them into the conversation but they would still get left out most likely. The NCAA tournament selection committee looks heavily at your out of conference schedule and how many you won against top 50 and top 100 competition as well as how many road and neutral site games you won. We have zero wins out of conference against top 50 or top 100 teams. We have no road or neutral site wins against any top 50 teams or top 100 teams.

They also look at bad losses and we have a few of those. Losses to Utah St and Air Force do not look good at all granted the loss to AFA was without Nance. Again no team with an OOC schedule rated 300+ has ever (let me stress this again) I said EVER made the NCAA tournament as an at large team.

Now we do have a couple top 100 wins against teams in conference but those don't count near as much as out of conference , especially when the MWC is rated #12 in the rpi as far as conferences go and the conference as a whole has an OOC schedule rating of 24 out of 33 total conferences. That is just terrible.

So everything we need to get an at large bid we do not have and everything we need to get left out we do have.

Now I would love to be proven wrong and Wyoming to make history and win the rest of their regular season games and make it to the MWC tournament championship and end up with an at large bid that someone with as bad as schedule as we have has never been able to do before but I would rather Wyoming just go win the damn MWC tournament and not leave any question about it. :)
 
seattlecowboy said:
Sorry guys but even if Wyoming won the rest of the regular season games and won the first two games of the conference tournament and then lost in the championship game they would not get an at large bid.

All that would do is put them into the conversation but they would still get left out most likely. The NCAA tournament selection committee looks heavily at your out of conference schedule and how many you won against top 50 and top 100 competition as well as how many road and neutral site games you won. We have zero wins out of conference against top 50 or top 100 teams. We have no road or neutral site wins against any top 50 teams or top 100 teams.

They also look at bad losses and we have a few of those. Losses to Utah St and Air Force do not look good at all granted the loss to AFA was without Nance. Again no team with an OOC schedule rated 300+ has ever (let me stress this again) I said EVER made the NCAA tournament as an at large team.

Now we do have a couple top 100 wins against teams in conference but those don't count near as much as out of conference , especially when the MWC is rated #12 in the rpi as far as conferences go and the conference as a whole has an OOC schedule rating of 24 out of 33 total conferences. That is just terrible.

So everything we need to get an at large bid we do not have and everything we need to get left out we do have.

Now I would love to be proven wrong and Wyoming to make history and win the rest of their regular season games and make it to the MWC tournament championship and end up with an at large bid that someone with as bad as schedule as we have has never been able to do before but I would rather Wyoming just go win the damn MWC tournament and not leave any question about it. :)
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Easily the best possible scenario us winning the tourney! I thought as soon as after the AF game that's were we should place all our eggs. It could get interesting though if we beat Nevada. Would they rush back Nance for Fresno? It really sounds like he shouldn't go for awhile. Being in the hospital at all for mono is not good at all. I still tend to disagree that our at large chance is done as posted in other thread, but I appreciate your different, well thought out, logical argument.
 
Man I hate the RPI. Case in point, Wyoming has played more top 150 RPI teams than Boise and has a better record against those team than Boise does against the top 150 RPI teams they played. Yet, their RPI is in the 40's? TOO MUCH FUCKING CREDIT IS GIVEN TO TEAMS WITH SUB 200 RPI's AND TOO MUCH FUCKING CREDIT IS GIVEN TO SOS.
 
JimmyDimes said:
Man I hate the RPI. Case in point, Wyoming has played more top 150 RPI teams than Boise and has a better record against those team than Boise does against the top 150 RPI teams they played. Yet, their RPI is in the 40's? TOO MUCH FUCKING CREDIT IS GIVEN TO TEAMS WITH SUB 200 RPI's AND TOO MUCH FUCKING CREDIT IS GIVEN TO SOS.
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Agree. Boise is getting a lot of credit by the RPI and SOS for getting their butt kicked by Wisconsin. We should have not played Stetson or Florida A&M and instead played Kentucky and Virginia. We would have 2 more losses but our RPI would be probably top 40 right now and SOS would be a LOT better and we would have a better shot at an at large bid winning games down the stretch.
 
Gotta stop scheduling crappy east coast teams.. schedule teams like Weber State, Montana (why the F would we schedule MT State twice??), Pacific.. basically, find the best Big Sky, WCC, and Big West teams and play them.. stay away from the crap MEAC schools.
 
That was my point about scheduling a high -quality road game. You're going to get smoked, but your RPI will be through the roof because RPI is so slanted. We need to never again play Montana State twice. That was just stupid. We need to dump those Denver, Western State, and UNC games and invest in bringing in a better quality team at home (your going to have to pay $$) and make up for that by traveling to Madison, Manhattan, Norman, etc.
 
There is a reason we play teams like Montana State twice in a season. Coach Shyatt likes series like that because 1) It prepares the team for the home and home slate that they are going to play in the conference season. 2) and he is also hoping to use those as developmental games and get younger players live game action before conference season rolls around. While they may not be great for an RPI perspective, they're very good team building games. Also, don't expect to get any good quality teams to come to Laramie. Colorado doesn't want to come here anymore so any team bigger than them coming to Laramie in the near future might as well be a big dream.
 
I would love to see the mw compete as a conference in a challenge (like SEC vs ACC). whether it be the wcc, PAC 12, etc.
 
We need to play away or neutral site games to get the big dogs because they won't be coming to Laramie since they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
 
NebraskaCowboy said:
There is a reason we play teams like Montana State twice in a season. Coach Shyatt likes series like that because 1) It prepares the team for the home and home slate that they are going to play in the conference season. 2) and he is also hoping to use those as developmental games and get younger players live game action before conference season rolls around. While they may not be great for an RPI perspective, they're very good team building games. Also, don't expect to get any good quality teams to come to Laramie. Colorado doesn't want to come here anymore so any team bigger than them coming to Laramie in the near future might as well be a big dream.
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But we had a schedule full of "developmental games".. like Denver, Western St., FAMU, etc. Adding one of the Big Sky's worst teams twice doesn't help us get into the dance. But I see your point.
 
MrTitleist said:
NebraskaCowboy said:
There is a reason we play teams like Montana State twice in a season. Coach Shyatt likes series like that because 1) It prepares the team for the home and home slate that they are going to play in the conference season. 2) and he is also hoping to use those as developmental games and get younger players live game action before conference season rolls around. While they may not be great for an RPI perspective, they're very good team building games. Also, don't expect to get any good quality teams to come to Laramie. Colorado doesn't want to come here anymore so any team bigger than them coming to Laramie in the near future might as well be a big dream.
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But we had a schedule full of "developmental games".. like Denver, Western St., FAMU, etc. Adding one of the Big Sky's worst teams twice doesn't help us get into the dance. But I see your point.
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Last year we played South Dakota twice in the OOC schedule. The year before that it was UC Santa Barbara. And the year before that it was Utah Valley. This is something Coach Shyatt has done consistently since he has been back and isn't very likely to change. You're only going to get smaller schools to commit to doing something like this so the schedule will have to be altered in other ways to increase the SOS.
 
NebraskaCowboy said:
MrTitleist said:
NebraskaCowboy said:
There is a reason we play teams like Montana State twice in a season. Coach Shyatt likes series like that because 1) It prepares the team for the home and home slate that they are going to play in the conference season. 2) and he is also hoping to use those as developmental games and get younger players live game action before conference season rolls around. While they may not be great for an RPI perspective, they're very good team building games. Also, don't expect to get any good quality teams to come to Laramie. Colorado doesn't want to come here anymore so any team bigger than them coming to Laramie in the near future might as well be a big dream.
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But we had a schedule full of "developmental games".. like Denver, Western St., FAMU, etc. Adding one of the Big Sky's worst teams twice doesn't help us get into the dance. But I see your point.
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Last year we played South Dakota twice in the OOC schedule. The year before that it was UC Santa Barbara. And the year before that it was Utah Valley. This is something Coach Shyatt has done consistently since he has been back and isn't very likely to change. You're only going to get smaller schools to commit to doing something like this so the schedule will have to be altered in other ways to increase the SOS.
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We already know why he does it but he needs to schedule teams more like UC Santa Barbara and less of Montana St. Schedule any WCC or BIG West team over Big Sky teams.

There are plenty of teams from those conferences that will play us and we won't have to schedule Stetson , Florida A@M and Montana St's of the world.

Having Denver on the schedule is fine. Should schedule more teams from the Summit as well such as North Dakota St. , South Dakota St. ,etc... Way better then Stetson or Florida A@M. That alone would do wonders for the OOC schedule.

The developmental games were fine for the first couple of years but we are past that now and need to step it up a bit and even go on the road and play big boys with no return games.
 
With Papa Shy's connections in the sunshine state, I'm really surprised we haven't gone down and played the Gators in Gainesville yet. That would be a great road game, high quality opponent and actually a team that we could compete relatively well against.
 
WestWYOPoke said:
With Papa Shy's connections in the sunshine state, I'm really surprised we haven't gone down and played the Gators in Gainesville yet. That would be a great road game, high quality opponent and actually a team that we could compete relatively well against.
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He has addressed that before. They will play us down there in Fl. Papa Shy, however, isn't looking for a one and done away game or even a two for 0. That's all FL has offered him. Our coaching staff wants teams to come to Laramie as part of a home and away series. The big names are not willing to come to 7220 and play in the Dome of Doom.
 
A guy can only schedule teams that will play the Pokes and it is still a bit of a guessing game to project which of those teams will pan out as decent in future years.

A case in point is Colorado, which was supposed to be good but then has not turned out that way. Worse yet, now CU has said they will not play us any more because we don't help them learn their running style. I always liked that game for rivalry purposes as well--even when CU sucked and we dominated them.

Nebraska was highly regarded but fell flat. That would have been a logical game based on early projections and proximity but would have turned sour.

I do not know how a guy can reliably set a good OOC schedule that is geographically rational. It is not reasonable to simply travel up and down the east coast from Nov-Dec playing every third day. We are better than that.
 
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