Nonconference Game Contracts

[wyadventurer25]

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CST put up a bunch of the contracts for future noncon games.

 

[Wyokie]

We're getting $1 million for the 2017 Iowa game? WOW!!!!

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Very interesting. Why in the hell are we scheduling FCS? We pay Oregon $350K for a home and home and we pay UC Davis $400K and ND $325K

Meanwhile, we pay Northern Illinois $150K for a home and home.

I get that we don't make a return trip to Davis or ND so we pay them more, but, damn that is a lot of cash for a FCS school. We play in the MWC, so realistically, there is no need for these games.

Since we need to go on the road some anyway in OOC, it seems to me that the most ideal situation is organizing home and homes with other G5 members and 1 road game with a P5 school (hopefully get 1 of these at home, too). I guess that is not realistic and pretty difficult to do. Still, it amazes me that there in not more coordination in the G5 ranks. SOS is critical and it makes sense to help each other out on scheduling.

Any ideas what our take-home is on game days? Are FCS games break even, make some, or lose some?

 

[MrTitleist]

Very interesting. Why in the hell are we scheduling FCS? We pay Oregon $350K for a home and home and we pay UC Davis $400K and ND $325K

Meanwhile, we pay Northern Illinois $150K for a home and home.

I get that we don't make a return trip to Davis or ND so we pay them more, but, damn that is a lot of cash for a FCS school. We play in the MWC, so realistically, there is no need for these games.

Since we need to go on the road some anyway in OOC, it seems to me that the most ideal situation is organizing home and homes with other G5 members and 1 road game with a P5 school (hopefully get 1 of these at home, too). I guess that is not realistic and pretty difficult to do. Still, it amazes me that there in not more coordination in the G5 ranks. SOS is critical and it makes sense to help each other out on scheduling.

Any ideas what our take-home is on game days? Are FCS games break even, make some, or lose some?

FCS schools make a lot more on games than UW is paying. Montana is making about $600K per game for two games against Washington and one against Oregon. We're getting off cheap with Davis and UND.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

FCS schools make a lot more on games than UW is paying. Montana is making about $600K per game for two games against Washington and one against Oregon. We're getting off cheap with Davis and UND.

Just because it is cheap doesn't make it a good deal, IMO. Washington and Oregon have way higher revenues from home games than we do. If you look at return on investment, I'll bet both Washington and Oregon are making way more on their game with Montana than we are with UND and Davis.

Home and homes with other G5 members seems like a way better deal to me. What surprises me is that it probably is the same for all of us (G5) yet we don't seem to really work together on scheduling.

UTEP, NMSU, TX State, Idaho, Northern Illinois, Tulsa, La Tech, North TX, Rice, Western MI, LA Laf, LA Monroe, and Ark State would all be good options and fairly close. Home and home with them and try to get the same with a P5 school.

I hope there gets to be more cooperation among the G5 ranks in regards to scheduling; it really would benefit everyone. Let the FCS schools get their payday from the big dogs. Our schedules are weak enough without them.

 

[MrTitleist]

That's the thing.. it is a good deal. FCS teams won't play these games without a big pay-day.. $300-600K.. even up to a million. That's pretty standard. The P5s are cutting FCS games, and even some G5s off of their schedules. Iowa is paying us a ton of money to come to their house.. same diff. FCS teams pay $100-200K to get D2s to come to these venues. I think Oklahoma Panhandle St took the $150K or whatever Montana paid them and bought new uniforms. G5 schools don't have a ton of motivation to come to Wyoming for a $150K payday when Iowa's gonna shell out $1million. And vice versa.. Wyoming can schedule SEC schools for a pay day instead of a small sum for any of the MAC/Sun Belt schools you listed above.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

G5 schools don't have a ton of motivation to come to Wyoming for a $150K payday when Iowa's gonna shell out $1million. And vice versa.. Wyoming can schedule SEC schools for a pay day instead of a small sum for any of the MAC/Sun Belt schools you listed above.

There isn't a G5 team around that wants to fill their OOC with road games against P5 schools. We all want some home games against similar competition.

What I'm getting at is filling the schedule in the most economical manner. It is true they won't make money ($150K for example) by coming to our place, but they don't have to pay us for going to theirs.

Using the Northern Illinois example. We pay them $150K to come to our house. How much do we make per home game; I wish I knew this because it would be interesting? For sake of argument, let's say we clear $15/person on average multiplied by 22K = means we generate $330K from the game - $150K for payment to visiting team = $180K profit. We have to make a return game in which we are paid $150K. Our net gain for the series is $180K (unless traveling costs more than $150K). It should work the same way for Northern Illinois on their end.

In the same scenario but paying Davis $450K means we lose $120K on the game; end of story.

That is the financial motivation to for G5 to quit scheduling FCS. If we worked together, it would benefit us all financially and from a SOS standpoint. Frankly, it is stupid that we aren't working together on scheduling and continue to schedule FCS.

 

[SnowyRange]

We're getting $1 million for the 2017 Iowa game? WOW!!!!

Probably $100K less by the time we get done eating the tickets we can't sell.

By the way, that structure -- requiring a school to buy X numbers of tickets -- is a good part of why bowl games are usually such money losers for universities.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Just to be clear, I do enjoy watching some of the FCS teams. It isn't a superiority thing, turning up my nose at them, or out of spite; I'm talking strictly from a strategic and budgetary standpoint. Scheduling FCS teams doesn't seem like that good of deal.

 

[wyocowboy2014]

We're getting $1 million for the 2017 Iowa game? WOW!!!!

Probably $100K less by the time we get done eating the tickets we can't sell.

By the way, that structure -- requiring a school to buy X numbers of tickets -- is a good part of why bowl games are usually such money losers for universities.

We won't be eating tickets for this game. I think Chicago (3 hours away or less depending suburb) is one of the largest alumni bases we have. Also, we travel extremely well, especially for a big 10 game.

 

[jessejames02]

We're getting $1 million for the 2017 Iowa game? WOW!!!!

Probably $100K less by the time we get done eating the tickets we can't sell.

By the way, that structure -- requiring a school to buy X numbers of tickets -- is a good part of why bowl games are usually such money losers for universities.

We won't be eating tickets for this game. I think Chicago (3 hours away or less depending suburb) is one of the largest alumni bases we have. Also, we travel extremely well, especially for a big 10 game.

Kinnick is four hours past Lincoln. We'll pack the place as well as we did Nebraska. Drive up Friday, drive back Sunday. Plus Iowa City is a great town and Hawkeye game tailgates are among the best in college sports. If ADP would let me schedule vacation days two years in advance, I'd already have this blocked out.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Coincidentally, Utah State is scheduled to play at Wisconsin the same day in 2017. 2 MWC vs. B1G games that day, within 200 miles of each other.

 

[Wyo2dal]

All these games that were scheduled before the Playoff system was introduced I won't be surprised at all when some of these P5 Teams buy out the games.

 

[LanderPoke]

All these games that were scheduled before the Playoff system was introduced I won't be surprised at all when some of these P5 Teams buy out the games.

Concerning the Ducks coming to town, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Wyokie]

All these games that were scheduled before the Playoff system was introduced I won't be surprised at all when some of these P5 Teams buy out the games.

Concerning the Ducks coming to town, I'll believe it when I see it.

Not to mention Missouri. :roll:

 

[Wyo2dal]

I should have said buy out the return games because no one wants to come to Laramie.

 

[JimmyDimes]

I should have said buy out the return games because no one wants to come to Laramie.

Maybe, but Ole Miss, Virginia, Texas, ATM, and Nebraska have all made the trip.....just to name a few. Who is to say Oregon won't honor their commitment?

 

[Wyo2dal]

I should have said buy out the return games because no one wants to come to Laramie.

Maybe, but Ole Miss, Virginia, Texas, ATM, and Nebraska have all made the trip.....just to name a few. Who is to say Oregon won't honor their commitment?

That was before the playoff system was put in place. All those schools now know that an easy win from a G5 could be the difference between 4th and 5th place.

 

[Hayduke]

I know this game is way off in the future, but I really look forward to Clemson. I really like watching their games on TV.

 

[BeaverPoke]

I really doubt Mizzou and Oregon come to Laramie.
Would be great but I don't see it.

G5 schools are quickly becoming to P5 schools what FCS schools are to FBS schools.

We can go to their house and play, but in the future we aren't going to be getting P5 schools to come to Laramie, unless we get invited to a P5 conference, but as we all know that is an entirely different issue and conversation.