NM State Game

[Yabadabadoo]

That was a most satisfying win on the road -- and this team plays to their youth and potential on most nights. The athleticism of this team combined with their precocious youth makes them a hard riddle to figure out on a game by game basis. Love our future, and it oughta be fun watching this team grow, learn, correct their mistakes, and generally provide us with some great entertainment win or lose. Go Pokes.

 

[DVDA]

I didn't get to watch the game, but just watched the highlights. McManamen is really improving his dribble drive. I never thought he would be this good, but it's good to see him prove me wrong. Herndon got beat off the dribble for a couple of those highlights. That's really not acceptable from him. Barnes looked like he was out of position on a lot of the highlights. Naughton looks like he had a good game. The guy is so much more fluid than Barnes.

 

[LanderPoke]

I didn't get to watch the game, but just watched the highlights. McManamen is really improving his dribble drive. I never thought he would be this good, but it's good to see him prove me wrong. Herndon got beat off the dribble for a couple of those highlights. That's really not acceptable from him. Barnes looked like he was out of position on a lot of the highlights. Naughton looks like he had a good game. The guy is so much more fluid than Barnes.

Agree. If he's not going to be tough and rebound then he needs to be quick and stay in front of his man. And how many times is he going to dribble into the teeth of the defense, pick up his dribble and awkwardly stand there like a baby giraffe and turn it over? Herndon. The most frustrating Poke.

 

[Cheywypoke]

What's with the chain smoker commentator? He sounds like a horse kicked him in the throat

He sounds like if Harry Caray smoked 2 packs a day.

I knew Pat Knapp when he was a coach. I don't know if something else is going on, but when he was a coach he was quite the screamer; non-stop at the top of his lungs at both his players and refs. Wouldn't be surprised if all that yelling didn't damage his vocal chords since I don't remember him as being a smoker.

 

[stymeman]

Although they were having trouble with that zone the last 12 mins of the 2nd half, I really liked what i saw overall, and they found a way to win, at a place that is extremely tough to win at, GREAT WIN POKES, kill it in finals and let's see what the conf season brings, love Naughton's presence down low, way better than Barnes, hands down and yes Jason is coming along nicely!!! now if we can get Trey to get with it!!

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

Although they were having trouble with that zone the last 12 mins of the 2nd half, I really liked what i saw overall, and they found a way to win, at a place that is extremely tough to win at, GREAT WIN POKES, kill it in finals and let's see what the conf season brings, love Naughton's presence down low, way better than Barnes, hands down and yes Jason is coming along nicely!!! now if we can get Trey to get with it!!

I think each guy will grow in their role once the roles get clearer. It's been such a Chinese fire drill to figure out where the guys belong.


McM and James starting is best for both of them. Gorski might get a little more consistent without being asked to maybe be the second scorer. Off the bench replacing mcm or James I think he fits perfect.


Washington and or Lieberman not being forced out there has been the key. Sure they're both prob sad they didn't lock down a starting role when given the chance but the reality is that they are both "bring a spark" type role players for this team. Washington brings the speed, Lieberman (in theory) brings a shooter. Both guys will positively impact games in their limited roles. Neither are starting point guards for a good MWC team.


Each of the 4 bigs has a way to go. Herndon obviously should easily be the #1 big and prob still is, but he needs to play better and be a guy that gets you 10-15 a night. For everything Barnes and noughton are not, they are both great sized and I have to think as they both get a bit more experience things should get better. Hopefully knowing they can both play they get more aggressive and physical. I'd like to see those 2 be enforcers

 

[rich22]

Although they were having trouble with that zone the last 12 mins of the 2nd half, I really liked what i saw overall, and they found a way to win, at a place that is extremely tough to win at, GREAT WIN POKES, kill it in finals and let's see what the conf season brings, love Naughton's presence down low, way better than Barnes, hands down and yes Jason is coming along nicely!!! now if we can get Trey to get with it!!

I think each guy will grow in their role once the roles get clearer. It's been such a Chinese fire drill to figure out where the guys belong.


McM and James starting is best for both of them. Gorski might get a little more consistent without being asked to maybe be the second scorer. Off the bench replacing mcm or James I think he fits perfect.


Washington and or Lieberman not being forced out there has been the key. Sure they're both prob sad they didn't lock down a starting role when given the chance but the reality is that they are both "bring a spark" type role players for this team. Washington brings the speed, Lieberman (in theory) brings a shooter. Both guys will positively impact games in their limited roles. Neither are starting point guards for a good MWC team.


Each of the 4 bigs has a way to go. Herndon obviously should easily be the #1 big and prob still is, but he needs to play better and be a guy that gets you 10-15 a night. For everything Barnes and noughton are not, they are both great sized and I have to think as they both get a bit more experience things should get better. Hopefully knowing they can both play they get more aggressive and physical. I'd like to see those 2 be enforcers

I remember when people were saying that about Grabau! Let's wait and see how these two progress. Shyatt is a great coach and these two have a lot of tools to work with. They might be our starting point and shooting guards next year.

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

Although they were having trouble with that zone the last 12 mins of the 2nd half, I really liked what i saw overall, and they found a way to win, at a place that is extremely tough to win at, GREAT WIN POKES, kill it in finals and let's see what the conf season brings, love Naughton's presence down low, way better than Barnes, hands down and yes Jason is coming along nicely!!! now if we can get Trey to get with it!!

I think each guy will grow in their role once the roles get clearer. It's been such a Chinese fire drill to figure out where the guys belong.


McM and James starting is best for both of them. Gorski might get a little more consistent without being asked to maybe be the second scorer. Off the bench replacing mcm or James I think he fits perfect.


Washington and or Lieberman not being forced out there has been the key. Sure they're both prob sad they didn't lock down a starting role when given the chance but the reality is that they are both "bring a spark" type role players for this team. Washington brings the speed, Lieberman (in theory) brings a shooter. Both guys will positively impact games in their limited roles. Neither are starting point guards for a good MWC team.


Each of the 4 bigs has a way to go. Herndon obviously should easily be the #1 big and prob still is, but he needs to play better and be a guy that gets you 10-15 a night. For everything Barnes and noughton are not, they are both great sized and I have to think as they both get a bit more experience things should get better. Hopefully knowing they can both play they get more aggressive and physical. I'd like to see those 2 be enforcers

I remember when people were saying that about Grabau! Let's wait and see how these two progress. Shyatt is a great coach and these two have a lot of tools to work with. They might be our starting point and shooting guards next year.

Zero chance.

But out of curiosity who do you see heading to the bench for them? McM as a senior or Justin James in his soph year? They'd also have to pass gorski

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

Although they were having trouble with that zone the last 12 mins of the 2nd half, I really liked what i saw overall, and they found a way to win, at a place that is extremely tough to win at, GREAT WIN POKES, kill it in finals and let's see what the conf season brings, love Naughton's presence down low, way better than Barnes, hands down and yes Jason is coming along nicely!!! now if we can get Trey to get with it!!

I think each guy will grow in their role once the roles get clearer. It's been such a Chinese fire drill to figure out where the guys belong.


McM and James starting is best for both of them. Gorski might get a little more consistent without being asked to maybe be the second scorer. Off the bench replacing mcm or James I think he fits perfect.


Washington and or Lieberman not being forced out there has been the key. Sure they're both prob sad they didn't lock down a starting role when given the chance but the reality is that they are both "bring a spark" type role players for this team. Washington brings the speed, Lieberman (in theory) brings a shooter. Both guys will positively impact games in their limited roles. Neither are starting point guards for a good MWC team.


Each of the 4 bigs has a way to go. Herndon obviously should easily be the #1 big and prob still is, but he needs to play better and be a guy that gets you 10-15 a night. For everything Barnes and noughton are not, they are both great sized and I have to think as they both get a bit more experience things should get better. Hopefully knowing they can both play they get more aggressive and physical. I'd like to see those 2 be enforcers

I remember when people were saying that about Grabau! Let's wait and see how these two progress. Shyatt is a great coach and these two have a lot of tools to work with. They might be our starting point and shooting guards next year.

Zero chance.

But out of curiosity who do you see heading to the bench for them? McM as a senior or Justin James in his soph year? They'd also have to pass gorski

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

 

[rich22]

Although they were having trouble with that zone the last 12 mins of the 2nd half, I really liked what i saw overall, and they found a way to win, at a place that is extremely tough to win at, GREAT WIN POKES, kill it in finals and let's see what the conf season brings, love Naughton's presence down low, way better than Barnes, hands down and yes Jason is coming along nicely!!! now if we can get Trey to get with it!!

I think each guy will grow in their role once the roles get clearer. It's been such a Chinese fire drill to figure out where the guys belong.


McM and James starting is best for both of them. Gorski might get a little more consistent without being asked to maybe be the second scorer. Off the bench replacing mcm or James I think he fits perfect.


Washington and or Lieberman not being forced out there has been the key. Sure they're both prob sad they didn't lock down a starting role when given the chance but the reality is that they are both "bring a spark" type role players for this team. Washington brings the speed, Lieberman (in theory) brings a shooter. Both guys will positively impact games in their limited roles. Neither are starting point guards for a good MWC team.


Each of the 4 bigs has a way to go. Herndon obviously should easily be the #1 big and prob still is, but he needs to play better and be a guy that gets you 10-15 a night. For everything Barnes and noughton are not, they are both great sized and I have to think as they both get a bit more experience things should get better. Hopefully knowing they can both play they get more aggressive and physical. I'd like to see those 2 be enforcers

I remember when people were saying that about Grabau! Let's wait and see how these two progress. Shyatt is a great coach and these two have a lot of tools to work with. They might be our starting point and shooting guards next year.

Zero chance.

But out of curiosity who do you see heading to the bench for them? McM as a senior or Justin James in his soph year? They'd also have to pass gorski

I forgot JMac was a RS junior. My brain doesn't work sometimes. I do think that one of those guys (TW3/ Liebs) will be a starter next year at the point. But there is no way they start over JJ or JMAC you are right about that.

The original meaning of my post is, don't sleep on guys that we have pegged as a non starter. We heard that Grabau's whole carreer but he was a really good ball handler and money on FTs. He was a great starter for a MWC championship team.

 

[Cowduck]

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

Marshall over JMac? No.

Why are there so many on this board convinced that Marshall is so clearly deserving of starters' minutes on the wing? Even if his offensive game is marginally better than JMac's (which we have scant evidence of), JMac's defensive prowess is the straw that stirs this team's drink. I just don't get why there are so many people who think they are smarter than the coaching staff when it comes to this.

 

[LanderPoke]

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

Marshall over JMac? No.

Why are there so many on this board convinced that Marshall is so clearly deserving of starters' minutes on the wing? Even if his offensive game is marginally better than JMac's (which we have scant evidence of), JMac's defensive prowess is the straw that stirs this team's drink. I just don't get why there are so many people who think they are smarter than the coaching staff when it comes to this.

I want to see him because I think he can rebound and drive to the hoop.

 

[Coeur d' Alene]

Although they were having trouble with that zone the last 12 mins of the 2nd half, I really liked what i saw overall, and they found a way to win, at a place that is extremely tough to win at, GREAT WIN POKES, kill it in finals and let's see what the conf season brings, love Naughton's presence down low, way better than Barnes, hands down and yes Jason is coming along nicely!!! now if we can get Trey to get with it!!

I think each guy will grow in their role once the roles get clearer. It's been such a Chinese fire drill to figure out where the guys belong.


McM and James starting is best for both of them. Gorski might get a little more consistent without being asked to maybe be the second scorer. Off the bench replacing mcm or James I think he fits perfect.


Washington and or Lieberman not being forced out there has been the key. Sure they're both prob sad they didn't lock down a starting role when given the chance but the reality is that they are both "bring a spark" type role players for this team. Washington brings the speed, Lieberman (in theory) brings a shooter. Both guys will positively impact games in their limited roles. Neither are starting point guards for a good MWC team.


Each of the 4 bigs has a way to go. Herndon obviously should easily be the #1 big and prob still is, but he needs to play better and be a guy that gets you 10-15 a night. For everything Barnes and noughton are not, they are both great sized and I have to think as they both get a bit more experience things should get better. Hopefully knowing they can both play they get more aggressive and physical. I'd like to see those 2 be enforcers

I remember when people were saying that about Grabau! Let's wait and see how these two progress. Shyatt is a great coach and these two have a lot of tools to work with. They might be our starting point and shooting guards next year.

Zero chance.

But out of curiosity who do you see heading to the bench for them? McM as a senior or Justin James in his soph year? They'd also have to pass gorski

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

Sure that's a logical idea that this years 10-11th man will jump the number 2 guy from Wyoming in his senior season.


If Conway isn't better than trey washington and/or Lieberman we have a problem with wasting so many scholarships

 

[Cowboy Junky]

Although they were having trouble with that zone the last 12 mins of the 2nd half, I really liked what i saw overall, and they found a way to win, at a place that is extremely tough to win at, GREAT WIN POKES, kill it in finals and let's see what the conf season brings, love Naughton's presence down low, way better than Barnes, hands down and yes Jason is coming along nicely!!! now if we can get Trey to get with it!!

I think each guy will grow in their role once the roles get clearer. It's been such a Chinese fire drill to figure out where the guys belong.


McM and James starting is best for both of them. Gorski might get a little more consistent without being asked to maybe be the second scorer. Off the bench replacing mcm or James I think he fits perfect.


Washington and or Lieberman not being forced out there has been the key. Sure they're both prob sad they didn't lock down a starting role when given the chance but the reality is that they are both "bring a spark" type role players for this team. Washington brings the speed, Lieberman (in theory) brings a shooter. Both guys will positively impact games in their limited roles. Neither are starting point guards for a good MWC team.


Each of the 4 bigs has a way to go. Herndon obviously should easily be the #1 big and prob still is, but he needs to play better and be a guy that gets you 10-15 a night. For everything Barnes and noughton are not, they are both great sized and I have to think as they both get a bit more experience things should get better. Hopefully knowing they can both play they get more aggressive and physical. I'd like to see those 2 be enforcers

I remember when people were saying that about Grabau! Let's wait and see how these two progress. Shyatt is a great coach and these two have a lot of tools to work with. They might be our starting point and shooting guards next year.

Zero chance.

But out of curiosity who do you see heading to the bench for them? McM as a senior or Justin James in his soph year? They'd also have to pass gorski

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

I like Mueller, I think he'll be in the SF rotation as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dA0rPd3JbQ[/youtube]

 

[joshvanklomp]

I like Mueller, I think he'll be in the SF rotation as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dA0rPd3JbQ[/youtube]

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't consider him a "true big."After he signed, Shyatt mentioned he's got more versatility than that.

“He has a really good chance to be a two, three, four. Usually, versatility equates to minutes on the floor.”

If he's a true anything, I'd say its at SF.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

I like Mueller, I think he'll be in the SF rotation as well.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dA0rPd3JbQ[/youtube]

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't consider him a "true big."After he signed, Shyatt mentioned he's got more versatility than that.

“He has a really good chance to be a two, three, four. Usually, versatility equates to minutes on the floor.”

If he's a true anything, I'd say its at SF.

I would love if he could play and handle the 3. His length there with JJs at the 1/2... Oh my.

 

[seattlecowboy]

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

Marshall over JMac? No.

Why are there so many on this board convinced that Marshall is so clearly deserving of starters' minutes on the wing? Even if his offensive game is marginally better than JMac's (which we have scant evidence of), JMac's defensive prowess is the straw that stirs this team's drink. I just don't get why there are so many people who think they are smarter than the coaching staff when it comes to this.

I have to agree with this as far as there is no way the JMac doesn't start his senior year.

I do think Marshall is good enough to start when healthy but it won't be taking JMacs minutes.

I think If Marshall was to start you would have to start JJ at the point and put Marshall and JMac at the wings but doubt Shyatt would do that as he will have Trey or Liebs probably start at the point.

Marshall will probably end up being like a 6th man or one of the first off the bench for the wings the way things are working out.

 

[Bryoming]

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

Marshall over JMac? No.

Why are there so many on this board convinced that Marshall is so clearly deserving of starters' minutes on the wing? Even if his offensive game is marginally better than JMac's (which we have scant evidence of), JMac's defensive prowess is the straw that stirs this team's drink. I just don't get why there are so many people who think they are smarter than the coaching staff when it comes to this.

I have to agree with this as far as there is no way the JMac doesn't start his senior year.

I do think Marshall is good enough to start when healthy but it won't be taking JMacs minutes.

I think If Marshall was to start you would have to start JJ at the point and put Marshall and JMac at the wings but doubt Shyatt would do that as he will have Trey or Liebs probably start at the point.

Marshall will probably end up being like a 6th man or one of the first off the bench for the wings the way things are working out.

I don't understand why everyone is so convinced that McManamen isn't a starter. He's one of the better players on the floor! Why do people think he doesn't deserve his minutes? Because he's a Wyoming kid? Because he's a sniper, not a slasher? I just don't get it.

 

[DVDA]

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

Marshall over JMac? No.

Why are there so many on this board convinced that Marshall is so clearly deserving of starters' minutes on the wing? Even if his offensive game is marginally better than JMac's (which we have scant evidence of), JMac's defensive prowess is the straw that stirs this team's drink. I just don't get why there are so many people who think they are smarter than the coaching staff when it comes to this.

Where did this myth of McManamen being a great defender come from? He's versatile and intelligent, but he's not a great defender. He simply lacks the athleticism to guard most 2's and 4's. He was eaten alive by Wallace from Cal. Shyatt had to have James guard Wallace down the stretch because McManemen simply couldn't handle the guy. Maybe your straw that stirs the team's drink comment was about his ability to play team defense and I misinterpreted it, but McManamen is a solid defender and that is it.

 

[ItSucksToBeACSURam]

My thoughts on starting 5 next season :
1. TW3
2. JJ
3. Marshall
4. Herndon
5. Naughton

Rotation:
1. TW3, Liebs, Conway
2. JJ, JMac, Aka Gorski, Marshall,
3. Marshall, JMac, Aka Gorski, JJ, Dalton
4. Herndon, Dalton, Moemeka, Barnes, Mueller
5. Naughton, Herndon, Barnes,

Were going to suddenly find ourselves with a log jam of true bigs. I think well see Dalton start moving to the 3 and 4 (against smaller 4s) as he can shoot from 3 and just gets manhandled against true 4 and 5s.

Marshall over JMac? No.

Why are there so many on this board convinced that Marshall is so clearly deserving of starters' minutes on the wing? Even if his offensive game is marginally better than JMac's (which we have scant evidence of), JMac's defensive prowess is the straw that stirs this team's drink. I just don't get why there are so many people who think they are smarter than the coaching staff when it comes to this.

Where did this myth of McManamen being a great defender come from? He's versatile and intelligent, but he's not a great defender. He simply lacks the athleticism to guard most 2's and 4's. He was eaten alive by Wallace from Cal. Shyatt had to have James guard Wallace down the stretch because McManemen simply couldn't handle the guy. Maybe your straw that stirs the team's drink comment was about his ability to play team defense and I misinterpreted it, but McManamen is a solid defender and that is it.

I too love JMac but would not call him an elite defender. He is versatile and intelligent indeed, but explosive athletes on Cal, Southern, and NMSU kinda exposed him as more of a team defender than a one-on-one defender. Love the kid and am SO STOKED he stayed in Wyoming but this talk of him being a "great" defender is out there.