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NCAA paying players debate...

HellBass

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I'm getting really tired of this paying players debate going on...I posted this on FB, but I thought I would post- it here to see what you guys thought.

"How about this for an idea...why don't we just pay college athletes minimum wage for the time they spend playing sports since apparently paid out-of-state tuition isn't good enough. That way, they can take out student loans and pay their tuition dollars like everyone else. Minimum wage equals about what everyone else makes who has a job bartending, waitressing, etc. while going to school‎...maybe then all these guys will realize just how valuable getting your out of state tuition paid for to great schools and getting a college education is actually worth. Great football schools like Michigan and Ohio State are also great academic institutions. Out of sate tuition for those schools is outrageously expensive...what's everyone else think?"

-CBASS!
 
I think that athletes should get something, the only issue comes up with, is how much and can schools afford it? Because schools like Wyoming which are growing will be alright, but schools in most other states like California and Colorado (AFA being the exception there I think) are having to cut back quite a bit.
 
I'm paying student loans for the next 10 years, with 6 already under my belt, do you know how bad I'd like to get rid of this payment? This is something many college athletes with scholarships will not have to worry about. For some of them, who come from other states, this is even more valuable than for those who are from in-state. How many of you would like to have had your college paid for by someone else?
 
fromolwyoming said:
I think that athletes should get something, the only issue comes up with, is how much and can schools afford it? Because schools like Wyoming which are growing will be alright, but schools in most other states like California and Colorado (AFA being the exception there I think) are having to cut back quite a bit.

They do get something...a free education. Why is there an insistence they don't get anything?
 
HellBass said:
fromolwyoming said:
I think that athletes should get something, the only issue comes up with, is how much and can schools afford it? Because schools like Wyoming which are growing will be alright, but schools in most other states like California and Colorado (AFA being the exception there I think) are having to cut back quite a bit.

They do get something...a free education. Why is there an insistence they don't get anything?
I meant money to go see family during Christmas or Thanksgiving, going out to eat with friends, simple things like these. Unlike kids that get education schollies, these kids can't/won't have enough time for jobs. I'm not saying give them a ton of money, just a bit extra for those little things that mean quite a bit.
 
Speaking for football only, they don't all get a free education. Wyoming has over 100 players rostered usually, yet the past couple of years they've only had 60 something scholarshipped players. Those other guys aren't getting the free education and they have to follow the same rules as the scholarshipped guys. Like approved jobs only, no free meal table, and a really full practice/lifting/etc. schedule. It's not 20 hours a week or whatever the official rules state. Many weeks it's 40 to 50. And it's not only the amount of hours it's the timing as well. You can't very well tell an employer what your hours will be. They'll simply hire a student who isn't getting a free ride that will have a more flexible schedule, like nights and weekends!

Having said that, I think athletic schloarships really don't fit into what a college should be all about. Especially when students who couldn't care less have to kick in with their tuition. And don't even get me started with giving atheletic scholarships to overseas students. Wasn't the original idea to give those who might not have a chance for an education, a chance? When did that become free education for foreigners? No offense to our German friends...
 
If you pay for players to play while they get an eduction you have to pay every kid in school. Fuck that.
 
TwoTone said:
If you pay for players to play while they get an eduction you have to pay every kid in school. f##k that.
Actually, the athlete's time to get part time jobs or whatever, is much less than that of the other students.

All I'm saying is, maybe something like a monthly allowance for the athletes. Not a huge amount, but enough for a bit of gas to go see their family or something.
 
Speaking for football only, they don't all get a free education. Wyoming has over 100 players rostered usually, yet the past couple of years they've only had 60 something scholarshipped players. Those other guys aren't getting the free education and they have to follow the same rules as the scholarshipped guys. Like approved jobs only, no free meal table, and a really full practice/lifting/etc. schedule. It's not 20 hours a week or whatever the official rules state. Many weeks it's 40 to 50. And it's not only the amount of hours it's the timing as well. You can't very well tell an employer what your hours will be. They'll simply hire a student who isn't getting a free ride that will have a more flexible schedule, like nights and weekends!
You are right those other players dont get payed, they are walk ons. So if players got payed... would they get payed too? They know what they are getting themselves into when they sign up to walk on. It is almost like volunteering. People volunteer all the time all over the world and lots of times pay to have that opprunity. If a walk on isnt even getting his school payed for. Why would he get payed?
 
Football players at the UW get over $1000 a month stipend with their scholarship. Not sure what the other athletes in the other sports gets.
 
zappinpoke said:
Football players at the UW get over $1000 a month stipend with their scholarship. Not sure what the other athletes in the other sports gets.

What does the stipend cover exactly?
 
MrTitleist said:
zappinpoke said:
Football players at the UW get over $1000 a month stipend with their scholarship. Not sure what the other athletes in the other sports gets.

What does the stipend cover exactly?

Supposed to be for room & board.
 
McPeachy said:
MrTitleist said:
zappinpoke said:
Football players at the UW get over $1000 a month stipend with their scholarship. Not sure what the other athletes in the other sports gets.

What does the stipend cover exactly?

Supposed to be for room & board.

Room and Board by definition should cover the average cost of living in the particular area (thus athletes at USC get a lot more than athletes at UW). However, athletes usually live together and find ways to cut costs, so after rent, food, etc. they typically end up with extra money every month to spend on gas, going out, drinking, etc. The only ones bitching about not having enough money are the ones that aren't responsible enough to budget and spend their money properly. This talk that they get no money is absolutely absurd, in my 5+ years working in D-1 athletic departments I have yet to see a scholarship athlete that is so poor that they are living on mac & cheese, can't afford gas or can't go out for beers.

Are they rich? No. But are they starving and can't afford the heating bill? NO way.
 
gopokes1399 said:
Speaking for football only, they don't all get a free education. Wyoming has over 100 players rostered usually, yet the past couple of years they've only had 60 something scholarshipped players. Those other guys aren't getting the free education and they have to follow the same rules as the scholarshipped guys. Like approved jobs only, no free meal table, and a really full practice/lifting/etc. schedule. It's not 20 hours a week or whatever the official rules state. Many weeks it's 40 to 50. And it's not only the amount of hours it's the timing as well. You can't very well tell an employer what your hours will be. They'll simply hire a student who isn't getting a free ride that will have a more flexible schedule, like nights and weekends!
You are right those other players dont get payed, they are walk ons. So if players got payed... would they get payed too? They know what they are getting themselves into when they sign up to walk on. It is almost like volunteering. People volunteer all the time all over the world and lots of times pay to have that opprunity. If a walk on isnt even getting his school payed for. Why would he get payed?
It's worse for walk ons. They have to come up with the cash for tuition, room and board and still follow the same rules (lifting at 6:00, study hall at 5:00, film at 8:00, etc. It is exactly like volunteering, except without the ability to walk away occasionally, because you lose your position. And with the crazy hours a part job is almost impossible. Maybe not their desire to have one, but the timing. Wyoming should be the first in line to support some sort of financial help. It must be difficult to get a kid up here if he realizes that he'll have no money to go home. The reason so many of the top recruits in Texas, for instance, stay in Texas is because someone can drive up to see them or bring them home sometimes. It's not just better programs get better kids.

Someone else said they've never seen a kid starve or not have heat. That may be true, but many of the kids that come from compromised situations only have money for food and heat. Heroes on Saturday and beggars the rest of the week. It's better to stay near family/support and let Wyoming get the 2nd tier or more well to do players.
 
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