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In relation to Cam Coffman...and some other stuff
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Look at Dave's W/L vs teams with a .500 or better record and that'll give you all the indication you need as to why he was let go (among other things).
Wyoming hasn't played a D2 school in many many many years.
One difference being Bohl didn't lose to an FCS program three years in.marcuswyo said:
Look, the differences between Bohl, Dickface, and their circumstances is pretty vast. Their philosophies are different, their personalities are different, their execution of the position is different, and the circumstances they walked into are different. The only quantity known is Dickface's record and impact. Bohl's is yet to be determined. No one on this board is truly qualified to somehow predict the end result of Bohl's tenure- it's unwritten. Dickface made his bed, slept in it, some would say even sh-t in it, and all he wanted to do was not wash the sheets nor admit it was funky. If Dave f'kin' Christensen was qualified to be a head coach, he'd have a job as one. His execution of the position here showed everyone in CFB that he wasn't one.
Look, when no less than Dennis Ersickson, no prince himself, says you're an a--hole, well, you've probably got some serious issues.
The upshot is- using Bohl to defend Dickface is a useless endeavor. The fact simply is, versus Dickface, Bohl still has the benefit of the doubt and you'd be hard-pressed to find another person inside CFB that would argue otherwise.
Christensen is a known variable-found wanting. Bohl's value is still undetermined. So enough with the Bohl-experience as defense of Christensen. I's nonsense.
ragtimejoe1
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I agree with Wyovania on the comparisons between Bohl and DC. My main point was that Burman wanted to build a spread O because we couldn't recruit (his words) to be a downhill team. I thought it was interesting that he did a complete 180 with his philosophy and then selected Bohl. Not that I think Bohl was a bad hire, I don't, despite this season. I just find the lack of clear vision from administration as an indication of the problems at the upper levels.
I also really question how in the hell did DC's attitude not pop up during the interview process? How were red flags not raised? I understand that some people can hide it, but they really should have been able to pick up on DC's tenancies to be, well unprofessional. That is also Burman's job.
Again, I think Bohl was a good hire (I'll give Burman all sorts of props if this works out), but if Burman's initial intuition after firing Glenn was correct, we should have had a spread guy in here. Either that, or Burman is wishy washy as hell and has no clear vision of what it takes to build a winning program at WYO. It is truly one or the other.
I also really question how in the hell did DC's attitude not pop up during the interview process? How were red flags not raised? I understand that some people can hide it, but they really should have been able to pick up on DC's tenancies to be, well unprofessional. That is also Burman's job.
Again, I think Bohl was a good hire (I'll give Burman all sorts of props if this works out), but if Burman's initial intuition after firing Glenn was correct, we should have had a spread guy in here. Either that, or Burman is wishy washy as hell and has no clear vision of what it takes to build a winning program at WYO. It is truly one or the other.
I have been guilty of comparing the two as well and I want to take a step back and say that it is really about the system and not the man. I have nothing against Bohl, and I am not (contrary to what many think) a Christensen fan. I too believe he was unethical and unprofessional. What I am is a spread offense, fast break on the grass kind of a guy. I find the game to be more exciting when it is played at a faster pace. That is the main reason I migrated to the Oregon/Baylor Bandwagon. I also am of the mindset that we can be more successful here in Wyoming with a version of the Spread. I am not saying that we need to snap the ball every 17 seconds but what I am advocating is that we spread the field from sideline to sideline and see if we can take advantage of some mismatches. For our great states's sake I hope Bohl gets it done. But my bias is for a faster paced system with a little flash! ;-)
This is where Burman's deficiencies in executive experience glare through.
First, he quite obviously did a poor job of vetting Dickface and, from what I can see, elucidating genuine responses during the interview process, especially regarding character and personality. Most organizations strive for a 49/ 51 hiring criteria- 49% skills and experience, 51% character and personality. Motivating and coaching can be taught and learned. Honesty and integrity, while not quite intrinsic, spring from a lifetime of nature and nurture.
Second, if anyone who worked for me came to me and said, "Look, we could do it the tried and true way, but it's going to make getting the resources more difficult. If we do it this way, however, we don't need the quality of resources the other way requires and it makes the job of resourcing easier," I'd be looking for someone else. Basically they're telling me a key part of their job is too hard, so if I agree to change my vision for the enterprise, then he can produce something that might resemble success, so long as you don't analyze it too much. The best example of this was Dickface's highest quality win came against, wait for it... Air Force. Glenn managed to get wins against Tennessee and Ole Miss' on their home turf and wins against UVA and Ole Miss' in Laramie.
As far as "Spread" vs. West Coast, here's a great read on the Spread philosophy, what it really is in play, and the results based on some pretty solid criteria...
http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/2/24/5437400/college-football-spread-offenses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
First, he quite obviously did a poor job of vetting Dickface and, from what I can see, elucidating genuine responses during the interview process, especially regarding character and personality. Most organizations strive for a 49/ 51 hiring criteria- 49% skills and experience, 51% character and personality. Motivating and coaching can be taught and learned. Honesty and integrity, while not quite intrinsic, spring from a lifetime of nature and nurture.
Second, if anyone who worked for me came to me and said, "Look, we could do it the tried and true way, but it's going to make getting the resources more difficult. If we do it this way, however, we don't need the quality of resources the other way requires and it makes the job of resourcing easier," I'd be looking for someone else. Basically they're telling me a key part of their job is too hard, so if I agree to change my vision for the enterprise, then he can produce something that might resemble success, so long as you don't analyze it too much. The best example of this was Dickface's highest quality win came against, wait for it... Air Force. Glenn managed to get wins against Tennessee and Ole Miss' on their home turf and wins against UVA and Ole Miss' in Laramie.
As far as "Spread" vs. West Coast, here's a great read on the Spread philosophy, what it really is in play, and the results based on some pretty solid criteria...
http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/2/24/5437400/college-football-spread-offenses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
kdwrightuwyo
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With the DC hire, Burman wanted something flashy and upcoming. With the Bohl hire, he wanted the best coach to build a program (remember that everyone thought Bohl was too good for a place like Wyo, and no one thought we could land him). The second hire was less about system than it was about a person. Verdict is still out on the hire for now.
johnywyo
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Tell us how you really feel WyoVan!
This is some pretty classic shit. I will say that Dickface did bring us some pretty capable O players. Yet his pompous pride probably was a bit much for Wyoming vanity. Bohl has serious work to do this off season, and we can't endure much more at the helm of a perennial bottom feeder. He's got another couple years, less if he doesn't rise above a 2-10 season like this year. Man, my hope is we don't lose the funding for development and recruiting, and that we win more recruiting battles with quality kids. On paper we may improve, yet that is totally dependent upon the talent, development and coaching capability of our staff. But, at eye test I agree with you on the majority of your rant on Dickface. Go Pokes.
Wyovanian said:
Good read, it reemphasizes what I said earlier.
"At its heart, though, the spread ethos is about putting playmakers in space and giving them room to make plays. It originally developed as an underdog tactic of sorts, as a way to spread out and harry more talented defenses and hopefully force some mistakes. But there is a certain level of tactical superiority to the idea, and after a while, a lot of the most talented teams in the country began to employ more and more spread tactics."
fromolwyoming
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"If we can't recruit to a standard offense like the west coast, and with the rise of the spread amongst P5 schools, we may as well only recruit for the triple option offense since only a handful of schools use it."Slow Hand said:
fromolwyoming
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It was in response to the "oh we can't recruit the guys we need for this position" than an actual suggestion.mwc fan said:
I see this thread deteriorated quickly from an assessment of Coffman to who can coach and what to coach. So, I'll take this off topic and disagree with any of those who look back fondly on CK's time behind center over Coffman. I don't buy Cam being a bust, either.
Coffman's stats dwarf CK's with 3 less games. Coffman could throw a deep ball, he threw two great deep passes last week that landed right in the receiver's arms and were blatant drops. He could throw the deep out with some velocity. He threw with some anticipation.
His worst game was his first game back against SDSU. No one looked good that night.
I cringed when Kirkegaard dropped back to pass. I would have welcomed having Coffman start for two years.
Coffman's stats dwarf CK's with 3 less games. Coffman could throw a deep ball, he threw two great deep passes last week that landed right in the receiver's arms and were blatant drops. He could throw the deep out with some velocity. He threw with some anticipation.
His worst game was his first game back against SDSU. No one looked good that night.
I cringed when Kirkegaard dropped back to pass. I would have welcomed having Coffman start for two years.