In relation to Cam Coffman...and some other stuff

[JimmyDimes]

I don't know how bare the cupboard was. Bohl will have inherited two nfl draftees on defense from dickface ( Nzeocha & likely Yarbrough). Roullier is another DC recruit that Bohl inherited that is getting NFL looks. Bohl chose to ignore the need for linebackers due to a senior heavy class. That's on him. I am curios how next year will work out with the DE situation. Can prosser and Grandersons play every down at their weight? Even if they gained 25 pounds they would be light for linebackers let alone dlineman. That is going to be on Bohl too.

It is up to Burman to get some additional money for a DC. Stanard isn't much better than Tormey. Where is mike breske these days?

I thought he did recruit a couple of linebackers - but they decided to take off for other places in the middle of last summer.

It looks like we offered at least 3 JUCO middle linebackers last year. We also lost Lark to attrition and Muhammed to injury. Saying he chose to ignore the position is false. But, what's new.

For next year we don't lose any of the current linebackers. We have a 240 lb linebacker red shirting. And depending how you look at it, we have signed either 2 or this in this years class so far.

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[HiCountryCowboy]

Perhaps instead of grading individual players, we should start at the top and give the coaches grades. In the end, they are the ones who bear complete responsibility for the product on the field. I've heard all of the excuses about youth and inexperience, but they are the ones who call the defensive sets and the offensive plays. They are the ones who teach technique. They are the ones who have Olive squatting a zillion pounds, yet he doesn't have enough leverage to push an elevator button. They are the ones who put together the nutrition program that produced one of the weakest, slowest teams I've seen. So, I would be interested in a breakdown and grading of the coaches. When that's done maybe we can start slinging kids under the bus.

Bohl is lucky. If this were corporate America, he would be sent packing, along with his assistants. Since he's a coach, he gets 5 free years to basically do whatever he wants. One thing is for sure, he set the bar about as low as it gets this year. One would think he HAS to improve next year. Compared to this year, if he wins 3 games next year it will be deemed a huge success and his master plan will be moving forward just like he predicted. I can hardly wait.

I'm affraid Vigen and Stanard are going to get another year and another season will be lost. Bohl needs to beat burman into submission for more money ( or find a away to get him run ).

 

[ELKMT]

It looks like we offered at least 3 JUCO middle linebackers last year. We also lost Lark to attrition and Muhammed to injury. Saying he chose to ignore the position is false. But, what's new.

There is a big difference on between offering and signing. Bohl either chose to or could not sign a player that could contribute at linebacker this year. That is a fact. 2-10 is a fact. That's on Bohl. Next year when we under 4 wins and under 20k attendance is on Bohl and Burman.

 

[yopaulie]

It looks like we offered at least 3 JUCO middle linebackers last year. We also lost Lark to attrition and Muhammed to injury. Saying he chose to ignore the position is false. But, what's new.

There is a big difference on between offering and signing. Bohl either chose to or could not sign a player that could contribute at linebacker this year. That is a fact. 2-10 is a fact. That's on Bohl. Next year when we under 4 wins and under 20k attendance is on Bohl and Burman.

So you are predicting an under 4 win season next year? Ill take that bet.

 

[Wyovanian]

It looks like we offered at least 3 JUCO middle linebackers last year. We also lost Lark to attrition and Muhammed to injury. Saying he chose to ignore the position is false. But, what's new.

There is a big difference on between offering and signing. Bohl either chose to or could not sign a player that could contribute at linebacker this year. That is a fact. 2-10 is a fact. That's on Bohl. Next year when we under 4 wins and under 20k attendance is on Bohl and Burman.

So you are predicting an under 4 win season next year? Ill take that bet.

Beat me to it. It's almost as if he's hoping for it.

 

[mwc fan]

DC ran a far more productive offense than Bohl could ever dream of. Face it, running the West Coast power based offense without the proper line, or vertical threat is a recipe for disaster. Why are we are the only team besides possibly San Diego State that runs the pro style in the MWC? It is so damn hard to get quality big men on the O line at Wyoming. That is the position of utmost importance for this offense to work. San Diego and even Boise are so much more attractive for 3 and even 4 star line recruits then Laramie is. When we do get a good one it's mostly by chance. In order to run this offense we need O linemen that are big , strong and most importantly nasty and we them at minimum two deep. Running the spread allows for smaller quicker O linemen. Much easier to recruit and there a lot of shorter quicker linemen out there to choose from. Now I'm not saying we need a new coach, but we need a coach who can adapt to his surroundings. This ain't FCS ball anymore. You just can't line up and jam the ball down everyone's throat unless your an SEC team. This is old school mentality and this is the exact reason why Burman hired DC. Now Burman went back to the exact thing he was trying to get away from. He hired coaches that came in and tore up Glenn's team, for Christensen's spread. Then hired Bohl who tore down DC'S team for the West Coast. It's a perpetual cycle of tearing down the program to build something that won't be around. Almost like a Vegas Casino. Why can't the coaching staffs use elements of different schemes? That is what drives me crazy. And when it's all said and done everyone forgot that defense wins championships.

 

[ELKMT]

I would never hope for a 4 win season. The product Bohl puts out doesn't inspire much hope, at least not for the next couple years. I don't believe in him, but I truly hope I am wrong. There are elements of Schroyer in how this coaching staff refused to adapt and use the talent already in the program. I've seen enough evidence of why Fcs coaches don't work in the mw and I don't expect Bohl to be any different.

 

[mwc fan]

That's what I'm saying. Burman wanted an exciting offense that would put fans in the seats. In comes DC, and his circus spread offense. Now back to 17 points a game, with no defense to boot.

 

[fromolwyoming]

First it's "Oh, Bohl's system is to old and antiquated to be successful" despite a number of teams running successfully, and it still the predominate offense in the NFL.
Then we get "It won't work at the college level" despite quite a few schools running, once again, successfully.
Next we get "It'll never be successful for non-P5 Schools" until you see SDSU and in part, BSU, run it quite well.
Now we get "Oh, we'll never be able to do it because we can't get the big o-linemne", even though we are...

I give you people credit, you keep finding excuses for Wyoming not to run the pro-style, even though you keep getting proven wrong.

That's what I'm saying. Burman wanted an exciting offense that would put fans in the seats. In comes DC, and his circus spread offense. Now back to 17 points a game, with no defense to boot.

As has been said, DC did Bohl absolutely no favors, especially on defense and depth.

 

[mwc fan]

Ok so do you think we can win games with the west coast Offense?

 

[MrTitleist]

There are a ton of teams that run a West Coast offense like Bohl's.. it's not outdated and it's still very successful. There's pros and cons of every offense out there.

 

[mwc fan]

There are a ton of teams that run a West Coast offense like Bohl's.. it's not outdated and it's still very successful. There's pros and cons of every offense out there.

Most definitely, I agree it works NFL and BCS teams use it . Question is can it work here?

 

[fromolwyoming]

Ok so do you think we can win games with the west coast Offense?

Last year we won some, this year we won 2, under Glenn we beat UCLA, Tennessee, Virginia, and TCU....

 

[MrTitleist]

There are a ton of teams that run a West Coast offense like Bohl's.. it's not outdated and it's still very successful. There's pros and cons of every offense out there.

Most definitely, I agree it works NFL and BCS teams use it . Question is can it work here?

Why couldn't it? You find some offensive lineman and it'll sort itself out. Luckily we'll have a quarterback operating the offense next season who has some mobility to keep drives moving when receiving routes break down. We've got a couple of talented lineman already playing and will be starting next season and probably several others in the wings.

 

[MrTitleist]

There are a ton of teams that run a West Coast offense like Bohl's.. it's not outdated and it's still very successful. There's pros and cons of every offense out there.

Most definitely, I agree it works NFL and BCS teams use it . Question is can it work here?

And really, the West Coast offense is the one that has sustained through the years. The Fun and Gun, Air Raid, Run and Shoot, triple option, Wishbone, zone-read have all come and gone (some still exist, zone-read being very popular right now) through different eras of football but the West Coast has sustained for a long time.. three decades now?

 

[ELKMT]

I am less concerned with the offense than I am with the Tampa 2 defense.

 

[mwc fan]

I am less concerned with the offense than I am with the Tampa 2 defense.

Oh boy, you had to remind me. The old Tampa 2. Now tell me if that will ever work here.

 

[Wyovanian]

DC ran a far more productive offense than Bohl could ever dream of. Face it, running the West Coast power based offense without the proper line, or vertical threat is a recipe for disaster. Why are we are the only team besides possibly San Diego State that runs the pro style in the MWC? It is so damn hard to get quality big men on the O line at Wyoming. That is the position of utmost importance for this offense to work. San Diego and even Boise are so much more attractive for 3 and even 4 star line recruits then Laramie is. When we do get a good one it's mostly by chance. In order to run this offense we need O linemen that are big , strong and most importantly nasty and we them at minimum two deep. Running the spread allows for smaller quicker O linemen. Much easier to recruit and there a lot of shorter quicker linemen out there to choose from. Now I'm not saying we need a new coach, but we need a coach who can adapt to his surroundings. This ain't FCS ball anymore. You just can't line up and jam the ball down everyone's throat unless your an SEC team. This is old school mentality and this is the exact reason why Burman hired DC. Now Burman went back to the exact thing he was trying to get away from. He hired coaches that came in and tore up Glenn's team, for Christensen's spread. Then hired Bohl who tore down DC'S team for the West Coast. It's a perpetual cycle of tearing down the program to build something that won't be around. Almost like a Vegas Casino. Why can't the coaching staffs use elements of different schemes? That is what drives me crazy. And when it's all said and done everyone forgot that defense wins championships.

Please don't be offended if most of us choose to see how the next two seasons play out rather than sublimate our judgement to your "expert" prognostication...

 

[mwc fan]

DC ran a far more productive offense than Bohl could ever dream of. Face it, running the West Coast power based offense without the proper line, or vertical threat is a recipe for disaster. Why are we are the only team besides possibly San Diego State that runs the pro style in the MWC? It is so damn hard to get quality big men on the O line at Wyoming. That is the position of utmost importance for this offense to work. San Diego and even Boise are so much more attractive for 3 and even 4 star line recruits then Laramie is. When we do get a good one it's mostly by chance. In order to run this offense we need O linemen that are big , strong and most importantly nasty and we them at minimum two deep. Running the spread allows for smaller quicker O linemen. Much easier to recruit and there a lot of shorter quicker linemen out there to choose from. Now I'm not saying we need a new coach, but we need a coach who can adapt to his surroundings. This ain't FCS ball anymore. You just can't line up and jam the ball down everyone's throat unless your an SEC team. This is old school mentality and this is the exact reason why Burman hired DC. Now Burman went back to the exact thing he was trying to get away from. He hired coaches that came in and tore up Glenn's team, for Christensen's spread. Then hired Bohl who tore down DC'S team for the West Coast. It's a perpetual cycle of tearing down the program to build something that won't be around. Almost like a Vegas Casino. Why can't the coaching staffs use elements of different schemes? That is what drives me crazy. And when it's all said and done everyone forgot that defense wins championships.

Please don't be offended if most of us choose to see how the next two seasons play out rather than sublimate our judgement to your "expert" prognostication...

Not offended at all. This is a Poke football forum, and I'm just chiming in as a fan and season ticket holder for 6 years. This is my opinion and if you don't agree with it I can respect that as well. My take is on the perpetual tear down and build rebuilding of the program. It just seems like Burman is going back and forth with philosophies on the best way to get fans in the seats ( 4 of them being mine). I'm all for waiting it out, after all isn't that the Cowboy football mantra?

 

[laxwyo]

I really wish we'd gotten a JC linebacker but perhaps the quality wasn't there and he opted to develop instead of wasting a scholly for two years.