"Good enough IS good enough"- the "NEW" athletics plan,

[Cuttslam]

I agree that I think we could do better in our athletic department. But look where our athletic program was as a whole when Burman took over. Our football program was tanked. We had one good year in 04. In Burman's first year WYO went 6-6 under Glenn and was extremely competitive, could've easily been 10-2 that year. I'm sure that had Burman's confidence up in Glenn,then we began a downward trend. 5-7 the next year, started out hot that year and then completely fell off the rails at the end of the year. Then 4-8. And not competitive in the least. Burman noticed that the trend would more than likely continue down for several years if we kept Glenn and Co. So he makes the change, and goes after a "hot commodity" in DC. There were even several BCS schools looking at DC. We have success in his first year when we were projected by EVERYBODY to be last and quite possibly only a one win team. That year got everyones hopes up. And it seemed we were on an upward trend again. Burman gave DC and extension and raise.Then we fell apart the next year, had some injuries, but fell apart. Burman held steadfast. No raise no extension. Then we have our best year since 98. Everyone is excited and thinks we're on the right track, Burman seeing two good bowl years out of three with DC is at the time seeing an upward trend. Extension and raise. The next year was terrible with injuries and we dropped again. DC lost control with AFA and I'm sure that stuck with Burman. Then we start out strong again 4-1 only loss being a 3 point nail bitter at Nebraska. Everyone including Burman's hopes are up again, then like Glenn the team fell off the rails the rest of the year. Seeing yet another downward trend and this time more expensive he doesn't give DC as much of an opportunity as he did Glenn. So he does the best thing he can do, he brings in probably the best coach anyone could've got this year. And already the hype is up about the recruiting, the coaching, the schedule, and we are even being projected in the Espn way to early to pick bowl projections. All this leads to an upward trend yet again, Burman is hoping that this is the hire that finally gets him in the top half of the conf year in and year out. And overall since 2000 our football program has made a steady upward trend. Burman aswell as fans are finally hoping this hire will get us there. Also Burman has invested in our stadium and other football facilities. Before Burman,other than minor upkeep on the football stadium I can only think of two major investments, permanent stadium lights and the field turf. Burman brought in rennovations, the suites, the IPF and an updated field turf. And has more in store.
Most say that Burman has no championship under his belt as an AD, but he does have the WNIT championship. And our women's program has been able to maintain it's winning ways. His promotion of women's basketball has helped increase attendance, to be in the top 20 in the nation for women's basketball programs.
Men's basketball, He had McClain for a year, it was a year of thug basketball with piss poor grades, and since McClain hadn't really done anything with the program three years prior he let him go and picked up what looked to be an up and coming coach in Schroyer, who had turned Portland around from it's losing ways. Burman expected a transition year and didn't let it bother him in Schroyers first year at 12-18. Then the next year we improved with. 19-14 record and it seemed we may be heading in the right direction again, extension and raise for Schroyer. As soon as the exten and raise the wheels completely fell out from under our basketball program. Burman gave Schroyer most of his last season to prove he wasn't a mistake and cut him from the program early in order to start over and rebuild the men's program. Bring in Shyatt. And we have now seen an upward trend under Burman in our basketball program. Attendance has begun to climb and now Burman has plans to renovate the arena, where no other AD has given it a second thought.

I will say that even though it's slow, under Burman our programs are all either maintaining or continuing a steady upward trend. And we have an AD who is actually investing in the programs and no only maintaining our facilities and venues but is upgrading them as well.
And if you think about it, wrestling has continued it's prowess under Burman, Volleyball has become an upward trend, track and field is usually one of the top in the nation and swimming has continued to be a storied top program. Even to the point of making their pool upgrade a priority.
The other thing that I like probably the most with Burman is he is the first AD I can think of to think outside of the box and want to build a training facility, not only for our players, but also for other pro athletes and Olympians who want to train at altitude. It gives us a new training facility for our sports programs and helps us to continue to pay bills and make more money for our program on the side by obliging other athletes for their training purposes.
And yes when it comes to talking about our programs budget right now it is going to look like small potatoes, a lot of our budget comes from attendance, and right now we barely avg 20k a game for football and about 6k a game for bball, when the winning begins to show more domenance then our attendnace goes up and so does our budget.

I feel like I just watched a Nazi propaganda movie.

 

[PokeOLoco]

This is the issue right here, Last time Wyoming won a Division outright was 1996

1996: 10-2-0

Coach: Joe Tiller
WAC - Pacific Division Champions

We lost to BYU 28-25

Just because this post got me thinking, here are some other facts on the last conference championships for some other "bigger" programs.

Iowa State - 1912 Missouri Valley Champion
Vanderbilt - 1923 Southern Conference Co-Champions
Minnesota - 1967 Big 10 Co-Champions
Kentucky - 1976 Southeastern Conference Co-Champions
NC State - 1979 ACC Champion
Arizona - Only 1 since 1974 (1993 Pacific-10 Conference Co-Champions)
New Mexico - Only 1 since 1965 (1997 WAC - Mountain Division Champions)
Mississippi State - Only 1 since 1942 (1998 SEC - Western Division Co-Champions)
Oregon State - Only 1 since 1965 (2000 Pacific-10 Conference Co-Champions)
Purdue - Only 1 since 1968 (2000 Co-Champions)
Mississippi - Only 1 since 1964 (2003 SEC - Western Division Co-Champions)
California - Only 1 since 1976 (2006 Pacific-10 Conference Co-Champions)
Kansas - Only 1 since 1969 (2007 Big 12 North - Co-Champions)

Since 1980, there are a total of 8 Conference Championships amongst those 13 schools. In that same time frame, Wyoming has 4.

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Caveat - I'm not a huge Burman fan, and also not a huge fan of the athletics plan, but if the only measurable is football championships, then there'd be a lot of big time BCS squads without football teams at this point.

My argument during the tougher job conversation, that Beaverpoke thought was outlandish.

 

[McPeachy]

I feel like I just watched a Nazi propaganda movie.

:thumb:

Same here. Filled mostly of stuff that just isn't the truth. I could debate it line by line, but I don't have an hour or so to sacrifice today. I will say this though - it was Gary Barta & his staff, along with Phil Dubois that did all the planning, coordination, forecasting, and funding for almost everything that has been built athletically at UW since 2005ish - including the IPF, Tennis Thing, Field Turf, Wildcatter, AA Renovations, Naming the MPG, Paving the Lot, Etc.

 

[BJC]

Random.......what year did they pave the lot? I always wondered why it was left as gravel/mud/dust for so long.

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

The other thing that I like probably the most with Burman is he is the first AD I can think of to think outside of the box and want to build a training facility, not only for our players, but also for other pro athletes and Olympians who want to train at altitude. It gives us a new training facility for our sports programs and helps us to continue to pay bills and make more money for our program on the side by obliging other athletes for their training purposes.

Really? I would really like to see how this will be funded and developed? This is fodder to buy more time. You really think that a training facility in Laramie will compete with a training facility 2.5 hours away in Colorado Springs? I think not. There is no added benefit to build such a facility. Nothing but a pipedream.

Yes, really. Much of the funding is coming from private donations according to the article.

Not everything Wyoming is doing is bad.

Go Pokes!!

http://www.gowyo.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/120913aab.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is for wrestling only as far as I can tell. Not what Burman outlined in his strategic plan. We will see if any of it comes to fruition.

 

[VisorHair]

I feel like I just watched a Nazi propaganda movie.

:thumb:

Same here. Filled mostly of stuff that just isn't the truth. I could debate it line by line, but I don't have an hour or so to sacrifice today. I will say this though - it was Gary Barta & his staff, along with Phil Dubois that did all the planning, coordination, forecasting, and funding for almost everything that has been built athletically at UW since 2005ish - including the IPF, Tennis Thing, Field Turf, Wildcatter, AA Renovations, Naming the MPG, Paving the Lot, Etc.

Wrong. Lot was paved right before the 2011 season. Rebholz and CJC raised the money for the IPF. The Wildcatters opened in 2010.. The "Tennis Thing" was built in like 2010. You just writing stuff or what? lol

How on earth did Dubois and co get that shit done 5 years before? Dubois was gone in 2005.

 

[McPeachy]

I feel like I just watched a Nazi propaganda movie.

:thumb:

Same here. Filled mostly of stuff that just isn't the truth. I could debate it line by line, but I don't have an hour or so to sacrifice today. I will say this though - it was Gary Barta & his staff, along with Phil Dubois that did all the planning, coordination, forecasting, and funding for almost everything that has been built athletically at UW since 2005ish - including the IPF, Tennis Thing, Field Turf, Wildcatter, AA Renovations, Naming the MPG, Paving the Lot, Etc.

Wrong. Lot was paved right before the 2011 season. Rebholz and CJC raised the money for the IPF. The Wildcatters opened in 2010.. The "Tennis Thing" was built in like 2010. You just writing stuff or what? lol

How on earth did Dubois and co get that shit done 5 years before? Dubois was gone in 2005.

OMFG

You don't really believe that Burman planned it out, and built it, in one year do you? The IPF / Tennis Thing was partnered and planned by Gary Barta & promoted by Joe Glenn. Although the IPF came a lot sooner, it was still part of a plan that came about in the early 2000's - PRE BURMAN. Lee Moon had it in his plan to pave that same lot (all of it - there was no IPF) in the early 90's. All of the planning, organizing, etc., of what you have seen done the last almost 10 years was done by Gary & Phil (they actually had a 5 / 10 / 20 year plan).

Want to guess how many years the college of C&I planned out the renaming and construction of the new business building? You probably think it was a year. LMAO!

 

[VisorHair]

I feel like I just watched a Nazi propaganda movie.

:thumb:

Same here. Filled mostly of stuff that just isn't the truth. I could debate it line by line, but I don't have an hour or so to sacrifice today. I will say this though - it was Gary Barta & his staff, along with Phil Dubois that did all the planning, coordination, forecasting, and funding for almost everything that has been built athletically at UW since 2005ish - including the IPF, Tennis Thing, Field Turf, Wildcatter, AA Renovations, Naming the MPG, Paving the Lot, Etc.

Wrong. Lot was paved right before the 2011 season. Rebholz and CJC raised the money for the IPF. The Wildcatters opened in 2010.. The "Tennis Thing" was built in like 2010. You just writing stuff or what? lol

How on earth did Dubois and co get that shit done 5 years before? Dubois was gone in 2005.

OMFG

You don't really believe that Burman planned it out, and built it, in one year do you? The IPF / Tennis Thing was partnered and planned by Gary Barta & promoted by Joe Glenn. Although the IPF came a lot sooner, it was still part of a plan that came about in the early 2000's - PRE BURMAN. Lee Moon had it in his plan to pave that same lot (all of it - there was no IPF) in the early 90's. All of the planning, organizing, etc., of what you have seen done the last almost 10 years was done by Gary & Phil (they actually had a 5 / 10 / 20 year plan).

Want to guess how many years the college of C&I planned out the renaming and construction of the new business building? You probably think it was a year. LMAO!

Are you Gary, Phil, or their bestie?

You do understand the difference between a "plan" and "execution", do you not? Assuming you do.. We are talking about 2 different things here then. Because I was referring to Tom and CJC executing the development and funding for said projects. Just because somebody said "hey let's put an indoor for our student-athletes to use up" doesn't mean any ground was made in the actual business side of it. In a university, in order for things (especially capital projects) to come to fruition, the funding must be there - hence the new AA project. Nobody in the MWC had a damn indoor facility in 2000, come 2005 I bet 5 schools in the entire west had one. It was actually finished in 2007. Tell me if your boy Phil and Gary did it.. http://www.gowyo.com/facilities/indoor-practice-facility.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's great they had a plan back then.. but nothing was executed until the funding was there to proceed. Like you said with the Business building, the plan was in the works for years.. and until Brent and Ben secured enough cash, it came to fruition. Funny how that all works, huh?

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

I feel like I just watched a Nazi propaganda movie.

:thumb:

Same here. Filled mostly of stuff that just isn't the truth. I could debate it line by line, but I don't have an hour or so to sacrifice today. I will say this though - it was Gary Barta & his staff, along with Phil Dubois that did all the planning, coordination, forecasting, and funding for almost everything that has been built athletically at UW since 2005ish - including the IPF, Tennis Thing, Field Turf, Wildcatter, AA Renovations, Naming the MPG, Paving the Lot, Etc.

Wrong. Lot was paved right before the 2011 season. Rebholz and CJC raised the money for the IPF. The Wildcatters opened in 2010.. The "Tennis Thing" was built in like 2010. You just writing stuff or what? lol

How on earth did Dubois and co get that shit done 5 years before? Dubois was gone in 2005.

OMFG

You don't really believe that Burman planned it out, and built it, in one year do you? The IPF / Tennis Thing was partnered and planned by Gary Barta & promoted by Joe Glenn. Although the IPF came a lot sooner, it was still part of a plan that came about in the early 2000's - PRE BURMAN. Lee Moon had it in his plan to pave that same lot (all of it - there was no IPF) in the early 90's. All of the planning, organizing, etc., of what you have seen done the last almost 10 years was done by Gary & Phil (they actually had a 5 / 10 / 20 year plan).

Want to guess how many years the college of C&I planned out the renaming and construction of the new business building? You probably think it was a year. LMAO!

Are you Gary, Phil, or their bestie?

You do understand the difference between a "plan" and "execution", do you not? Assuming you do.. We are talking about 2 different things here then. Because I was referring to Tom and CJC executing the development and funding for said projects. Just because somebody said "hey let's put an indoor for our student-athletes to use up" doesn't mean any ground was made in the actual business side of it. In a university, in order for things (especially capital projects) to come to fruition, the funding must be there - hence the new AA project. Nobody in the MWC had a damn indoor facility in 2000, come 2005 I bet 5 schools in the entire west had one. It was actually finished in 2007. Tell me if your boy Phil and Gary did it.. http://www.gowyo.com/facilities/indoor-practice-facility.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's great they had a plan back then.. but nothing was executed until the funding was there to proceed. Like you said with the Business building, the plan was in the works for years.. and until Brent and Ben secured enough cash, it came to fruition. Funny how that all works, huh?

So we will acknowledge that TB raised some money......Whoopy fricking doo......

 

[VisorHair]

I feel like I just watched a Nazi propaganda movie.

:thumb:

Same here. Filled mostly of stuff that just isn't the truth. I could debate it line by line, but I don't have an hour or so to sacrifice today. I will say this though - it was Gary Barta & his staff, along with Phil Dubois that did all the planning, coordination, forecasting, and funding for almost everything that has been built athletically at UW since 2005ish - including the IPF, Tennis Thing, Field Turf, Wildcatter, AA Renovations, Naming the MPG, Paving the Lot, Etc.

Wrong. Lot was paved right before the 2011 season. Rebholz and CJC raised the money for the IPF. The Wildcatters opened in 2010.. The "Tennis Thing" was built in like 2010. You just writing stuff or what? lol

How on earth did Dubois and co get that shit done 5 years before? Dubois was gone in 2005.

OMFG

You don't really believe that Burman planned it out, and built it, in one year do you? The IPF / Tennis Thing was partnered and planned by Gary Barta & promoted by Joe Glenn. Although the IPF came a lot sooner, it was still part of a plan that came about in the early 2000's - PRE BURMAN. Lee Moon had it in his plan to pave that same lot (all of it - there was no IPF) in the early 90's. All of the planning, organizing, etc., of what you have seen done the last almost 10 years was done by Gary & Phil (they actually had a 5 / 10 / 20 year plan).

Want to guess how many years the college of C&I planned out the renaming and construction of the new business building? You probably think it was a year. LMAO!

Are you Gary, Phil, or their bestie?

You do understand the difference between a "plan" and "execution", do you not? Assuming you do.. We are talking about 2 different things here then. Because I was referring to Tom and CJC executing the development and funding for said projects. Just because somebody said "hey let's put an indoor for our student-athletes to use up" doesn't mean any ground was made in the actual business side of it. In a university, in order for things (especially capital projects) to come to fruition, the funding must be there - hence the new AA project. Nobody in the MWC had a damn indoor facility in 2000, come 2005 I bet 5 schools in the entire west had one. It was actually finished in 2007. Tell me if your boy Phil and Gary did it.. http://www.gowyo.com/facilities/indoor-practice-facility.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's great they had a plan back then.. but nothing was executed until the funding was there to proceed. Like you said with the Business building, the plan was in the works for years.. and until Brent and Ben secured enough cash, it came to fruition. Funny how that all works, huh?

So we will acknowledge that TB raised some money......Whoopy fricking doo......

Is that not what this dumb thread is about? I'm simply refuting everyone here saying Tom just thumb fucked himself in his corner office all these years. It's mind boggling.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Is that not what this dumb thread is about? I'm simply refuting everyone here saying Tom just thumb fucked himself in his corner office all these years. It's mind boggling.

What is mind boggling is our inability to compete in an 8 year span in men's basketball and football in the freaking MWC.

That is the bottom line and not all the blame is on coaches. In fact, I don't think most of the blame is.

 

[McPeachy]

Are you Gary, Phil, or their bestie?

You do understand the difference between a "plan" and "execution", do you not? Assuming you do.. We are talking about 2 different things here then. Because I was referring to Tom and CJC executing the development and funding for said projects. Just because somebody said "hey let's put an indoor for our student-athletes to use up" doesn't mean any ground was made in the actual business side of it. In a university, in order for things (especially capital projects) to come to fruition, the funding must be there - hence the new AA project. Nobody in the MWC had a damn indoor facility in 2000, come 2005 I bet 5 schools in the entire west had one. It was actually finished in 2007. Tell me if your boy Phil and Gary did it.. http://www.gowyo.com/facilities/indoor-practice-facility.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's great they had a plan back then.. but nothing was executed until the funding was there to proceed. Like you said with the Business building, the plan was in the works for years.. and until Brent and Ben secured enough cash, it came to fruition. Funny how that all works, huh?

:rofl:

I am grateful you aren't my financial planner.

 

[kansasCowboy]

A lot of you complain that our lack of success on the field or court is Burman's fault. Like he's the coach on the field calling the plays that are going to make or break us in a game. Tell me, what could Burman have done to get us a 41-37 victory at Nebraska last year? Or what could he have done to maintain the lead and give us a "W" at Ohio St. This last basketball season?
You could say, " Well, he's in charge of the money which could get us better recruiting." Well, you'd be right. He is in charge of that, and I don't recall a coach on any of our sports teams that has been refused travel to better recruit at any location. Burman doesn't make a kids choice for them or their family, I've never seen him reject an opportunity for our coaches to go where the recruits are.
He gave Glenn an opportunity to turn things around, he gave DC five years to proove he could be a winner, it didn't happen and Burman cut ties with DC and brought in the next best thing. Burman can help persuade a coach come to Laramie, but he can't make up their minds for them.
So what is he supposed to do?
And most of you are giving Moon, Dubois and Barta more credit than they are worth. I talked with Barta in 05, he told me that they had discussed the IPF, but they had nothing set in stone. Which means nothing was set up for these kind of upgrades, especially financially.
Think about it, our bball program fell apart under Barta and Dubois. We went from NCAA and Nit to 11-17, 15-13, 14-18 and 17-15 under Burman's first year. And like I said before there was nothing to show that McClain was going to turn that four year drought around, in fact our players gpa was gradually getting worse, we were being investigated by the NCAA, and we had a group of thugs on the floor... Remember the UNM game. Yes, Schroyer was the most questionable deal made in Burman's tenure, but he managed to bring Shyatt in and we have seen far more success and better recruiting since. I would say our bball program has been taking steps in the right direction. Again, our women's program has maintained in the top half of the league, we've had one down year in Burman's tenure two years ago, by that was coaching and recruiting decisions, we were top heavy with seniors and lost them all. Not Burman's fault, and he trusted Legerski to get it turned around again and we had last year, where honestly we kind of got screwed out of no post season.
Who argues that Bohl was not a good hire? Do people have questions? Of course. A lot of people fear bringing in an FCS coach may be a more expensive Glenn experience, but in reality who could we bring in with the same amount of success as Bohl? I think he's proven himself to have the opportunity to pull WYO over the hump and get us in the top of the conf. The point is any new coach we bring in would be a question mark until they proove they can succeed here. When we got rid of Glenn the argument was that we needed to pay our coaches more to bring in more quality staff, Burman has done that and then people complain we pay out too much. As much as people don't want to believe it, we've been considered a stepping stone for coaches, mainly because when a coach does succeed here we don't properly compensate them to stop them from considering bigger opportunities. Glenn was being considered by bigger schools after his year two turn around, we gave him a minimal raise and extension (and that was Barta). An AD who wouldn't pay out for anything.
We as a program go from one extreme of not paying out to keep something good and make things better, and everyone complains about it, to paying out more to keep up with and better succeed with bigger programs and people complain that we pay out too much and then complain we don't have money to throw around elsewhere. People want to complain about our gradual increase in our budget, but no one wants to figure out where this money is supposed to come from. Again, we get only so much from donations from CJC and other donors, we are at minimum in profit for bball, but has been gradually increasing. And football has been avg at 18-20k per game. Burman has lobbied the state more than I remember Barta, Dubois or Moon doing. And Burman has been bettering our football schedule by getting more payout games and better competition on our schedules. And like he says, we just need our players and coaches to start winning these games. And Virginia in Burman's second year, Tenn in his third year proove we a capable, we just can't maintain throughout a season and win the games we are supposed too. But like I said above, it's not on Burman to get the team to win these games, it's on him to give them the best opportunity.

 

[VisorHair]

Are you Gary, Phil, or their bestie?

You do understand the difference between a "plan" and "execution", do you not? Assuming you do.. We are talking about 2 different things here then. Because I was referring to Tom and CJC executing the development and funding for said projects. Just because somebody said "hey let's put an indoor for our student-athletes to use up" doesn't mean any ground was made in the actual business side of it. In a university, in order for things (especially capital projects) to come to fruition, the funding must be there - hence the new AA project. Nobody in the MWC had a damn indoor facility in 2000, come 2005 I bet 5 schools in the entire west had one. It was actually finished in 2007. Tell me if your boy Phil and Gary did it.. http://www.gowyo.com/facilities/indoor-practice-facility.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's great they had a plan back then.. but nothing was executed until the funding was there to proceed. Like you said with the Business building, the plan was in the works for years.. and until Brent and Ben secured enough cash, it came to fruition. Funny how that all works, huh?

:rofl:

I am grateful you aren't my financial planner.

You obviously didn't attempt to contemplate that, or you're too prideful to admit it. Either way, enjoy your ignorance.

 

[McPeachy]

I'm simply refuting everyone here saying Tom just thumb fucked himself in his corner office all these years. It's mind boggling.

Tom?

Thank you for planning / funding / building Jacoby, The War, The Fieldhouse, The AA, everything.

 

[McPeachy]

You obviously didn't attempt to contemplate that, or you're too prideful to admit it. Either way, enjoy your ignorance.

Shit.

I don't want to put my financial future & plan in place, but have to wait (for some unknown) to fund it. I would rather have some idea where my future is coming from instead of TBA or TBD.

 

[Brew_Poke]

The goal is to compete for a MWC title,

The goal is to field a team?

Ok smart ass.

The goal is to be in contention for a MWC title.

It's not my fault words have specific meanings.

 

[Brew_Poke]

And overall since 2000 our football program has made a steady upward trend.

You're high as a fucking kite.

 

[Brew_Poke]

I feel like I just watched a Nazi propaganda movie.

:thumb:

Same here. Filled mostly of stuff that just isn't the truth. I could debate it line by line, but I don't have an hour or so to sacrifice today. I will say this though - it was Gary Barta & his staff, along with Phil Dubois that did all the planning, coordination, forecasting, and funding for almost everything that has been built athletically at UW since 2005ish - including the IPF, Tennis Thing, Field Turf, Wildcatter, AA Renovations, Naming the MPG, Paving the Lot, Etc.

Wrong. Lot was paved right before the 2011 season. Rebholz and CJC raised the money for the IPF. The Wildcatters opened in 2010.. The "Tennis Thing" was built in like 2010. You just writing stuff or what? lol

How on earth did Dubois and co get that shit done 5 years before? Dubois was gone in 2005.

Dubois and Barta put together the first strategic plan, and those items were on it.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

A lot of you complain that our lack of success on the field .......

Yet in 8 years we remain the laughing stock of the MWC. In 8 years every coach has failed in Men's bball and football. Sorry, Burman hasn't done crap that anyone off the street couldn't do. Anyone can lose and make excuses why.