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Fire the o coordinator . He freaking sucks

At Wyoming, unless you are winning conference championships or performing a Koenning level collapse, fans will sort of see what they want to see in the coaches. Do you like high flying offense? You probably don't like coaches like Bohl ... Maybe you like toughness and culture?...then you probably do like coaches like Bohl. Now, is one of those things inherently more important to winning? I don't think you get championships without both...but I think if you focus on one to the detriment of the other (as PorkerPoke implies), then the record Bohl achieved is probably the ceiling. The better question is: Do you have to choose?...I honestly thing that Wyoming and schools like Wyoming do have to choose. They are resource starved and have to decide what to focus on. For my money, I favor the Bohl approach. Football programs that have success that lasts more than one season have an identity and a toughness to them that is easy to lose and hard to build/maintain.
The reality is C. Bohl type Coach is no longer the ceiling as the new era requires deep pockets. The President & AD have to get the OIL & GAS Sponsorships yesterday. The only way the get a quality national search and outside hire that can win is with more money.... That is why they hired Jay Sawvel. The problem is they tried to get an outside OC to shut the fans up and did not have the money except for who they got.

Going to be a few interesting years on the High Plains!
 
Not to get down on the players but a qb and pass protection would help. Anderson could have spiked every ball and had a higher qb rating against Utah (not kidding)
 
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The reality is C. Bohl type Coach is no longer the ceiling as the new era requires deep pockets. The President & AD have to get the OIL & GAS Sponsorships yesterday. The only way the get a quality national search and outside hire that can win is with more money.... That is why they hired Jay Sawvel. The problem is they tried to get an outside OC to shut the fans up and did not have the money except for who they got.

Going to be a few interesting years on the High Plains!
Well... If it's just pay to win, I'm not holding my breath for good results any time soon.
 
Why does it feel like the only 2 options mentioned for offense is the Bohl offense and the spread offense? Fans seem to think it is the run run incomplete pass punt offense of Bohl with the hope to wear down the team in the 4th quarter or otherwise the only difference would be the Mike Leach pass every down spread offense. There are offensive schemes in between the 2. Bohl absolutely could have adjusted his scheme to fit his players without going to a spread offense, he just didn't.
 
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Bohl absolutely could have adjusted his scheme to fit his players without going to a spread offense, he just didn't.
Totally agree! He did it at NDSU. He was able to do it in 2016 with good WR’s and a QB that was a better bet to complete a pass while being a threat to run. He just never seemed to pursue a QB with more than one skill and any defense that was stronger kept the box loaded while effectively playing man coverage. The best pass play was a 3 yard pass to the sideline which was not effective on 3rd and 6 plays.
 
Totally agree! He did it at NDSU. He was able to do it in 2016 with good WR’s and a QB that was a better bet to complete a pass while being a threat to run. He just never seemed to pursue a QB with more than one skill and any defense that was stronger kept the box loaded while effectively playing man coverage. The best pass play was a 3 yard pass to the sideline which was not effective on 3rd and 6 plays.
That Bohl's teams at Wyoming struggled to be upper half in offensive production is not really debatable. What is debatable is why. One reason talent level and one reason is strategy or scheme. Let's talk about the talent side of this. You already have pointed out that the 2016 version of Bohl-ball was not totally offensively challenged due to the higher talent level at the skill positions. You seem to think that Bohl did not prioritize recruiting talented players, particularly at QB, after 2016. That feels like a big leap. I won't argue that he never got any noteworthy talent to speak of after having Allen, but I can't get on board that there was some intention behind that.

I think the years before and after Allen under many coaches shows us that great QB's (and players in general) are really hard to find.....and to the extent that you are sure they are great, it's extremely unlikely they will choose to come to UW. To me, that leaves us right back at what Bohl was actually pretty good at...creating talent. That was mostly seen on the defensive side of the ball and on the offensive line. That particular talent is probably harder (somewhat) to identify in high schoolers than a great WR or QB. That means that the obvious WR and QB talent is being sucked up by bigger fish than UW while Bohl and other Wyoming coaches are left trying to build up those players through development (which is what happened for Allen btw). Doesn't mean that you can't do it...but it does heavily imply that having great WR and QB talent at a school like Wyoming is nowhere close to a given no matter how much you focus on it.

Now ... as far as strategy/scheme is concerned... Bohl definitely was going for a style of smashmouth ball control that meant that the passing game was not focused on much. A bit outdated...but not entirely unsuccessful.
 
That Bohl's teams at Wyoming struggled to be upper half in offensive production is not really debatable. What is debatable is why. One reason talent level and one reason is strategy or scheme. Let's talk about the talent side of this. You already have pointed out that the 2016 version of Bohl-ball was not totally offensively challenged due to the higher talent level at the skill positions. You seem to think that Bohl did not prioritize recruiting talented players, particularly at QB, after 2016. That feels like a big leap. I won't argue that he never got any noteworthy talent to speak of after having Allen, but I can't get on board that there was some intention behind that.

I think the years before and after Allen under many coaches shows us that great QB's (and players in general) are really hard to find.....and to the extent that you are sure they are great, it's extremely unlikely they will choose to come to UW. To me, that leaves us right back at what Bohl was actually pretty good at...creating talent. That was mostly seen on the defensive side of the ball and on the offensive line. That particular talent is probably harder (somewhat) to identify in high schoolers than a great WR or QB. That means that the obvious WR and QB talent is being sucked up by bigger fish than UW while Bohl and other Wyoming coaches are left trying to build up those players through development (which is what happened for Allen btw). Doesn't mean that you can't do it...but it does heavily imply that having great WR and QB talent at a school like Wyoming is nowhere close to a given no matter how much you focus on it.

Now ... as far as strategy/scheme is concerned... Bohl definitely was going for a style of smashmouth ball control that meant that the passing game was not focused on much. A bit outdated...but not entirely unsuccessful.
Bohl barely finished above 500 record and overstayed his welcome.
 
Bohl barely finished above 500 record and overstayed his welcome.
Considering that the coaches that have coached at UW for the last 25 years (starting in 2000) not named Craig Bohl have an amazing winning percentage of 0.363...I'd take the next version of that guy in a heartbeat. Wyoming has sucked since the year stopped beginning with a 19. The guy took over a hot mess and created something with a culture of toughness and expectations that translated to some good moments and a 7 year stretch winning an average of 7.6 games.

I don't want to build him a statue...but he's not the "average" Wyoming coach.
 
Considering that the coaches that have coached at UW for the last 25 years (starting in 2000) not named Craig Bohl have an amazing winning percentage of 0.363...I'd take the next version of that guy in a heartbeat. Wyoming has sucked since the year stopped beginning with a 19. The guy took over a hot mess and created something with a culture of toughness and expectations that translated to some good moments and a 7 year stretch winning an average of 7.6 games.

I don't want to build him a statue...but he's not the "average" Wyoming coach.
Even in my criticism of him not being able to up the win total it was refreshing under Bohl to at least expect success after the drought. I am just hungry for more in what time I have left to be a Poke fan.
 
Even in my criticism of him not being able to up the win total it was refreshing under Bohl to at least expect success after the drought. I am just hungry for more in what time I have left to be a Poke fan.
I agree, and I don’t think it’s a reach to expect a college D1 HC to have some clock management in the 4th quarter in a 10 point game. Maybe I’m delusional though. Maybe I didn’t see what I thought I saw……
 
I agree, and I don’t think it’s a reach to expect a college D1 HC to have some clock management in the 4th quarter in a 10 point game. Maybe I’m delusional though. Maybe I didn’t see what I thought I saw……
Oh you definitely saw it. We've been seeing it since last year. Is Jay Johnson any good?...no...but I still think that is downstream of Sawful not being any good.
 
Oh you definitely saw it. We've been seeing it since last year. Is Jay Johnson any good?...no...but I still think that is downstream of Sawful not being any good.
I don’t think Sawful, JJ, or Junior are any good. So bad in fact, this team will be lucky to win 2 more games this year. But those suites will be full and Burman will be happy counting his dollars.
 
I don’t think Sawful, JJ, or Junior are any good. So bad in fact, this team will be lucky to win 2 more games this year. But those suites will be full and Burman will be happy counting his dollars.
I don't know if you follow the Rockies at all but they have something similar going on. They have been bad but they have been soooo bad this year...and still are putting up decent attendance numbers. The few people pissed at how bad they are realize that getting better probably won't happen as long as attendance doesn't tank. Sports, including revenue college sports, is an entertainment product that is ultimately sensitive to the financial bottom line. Now, That bottom line is correlated heavily with the success of the teams...but there are exceptions (like the Rockies).

So Why does Wyoming have attendance that seems to not be affected by sucking? I do think it is affected but it may be a lagging indicator. See men's basketball. I've seen the AA be a hot ticket when the pokes are cooking but if you suck long enough, people stay home. Now football is a little different. A football game is kind of the cherry on top of an event. There are tailgate activities and pre-game traditions that a lot people enjoy. Those things are there whether the product on the field is good or not. Another piece of this that for people who like college sports that live in Wyoming, who else are they rooting for? This is often used as a positive but maybe it contributes to complacency? I mean, UW is the only game in town. So, given all that, I think during any given Saturday at War Memorial, the percent of die-hards that hate what is going on and are sensitive to sucking might be small enough to not matter in the short to medium term....and Burman is at the point in his career where those short term pressures are the only ones that matter to him.
 

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