Duval gone to UCF

[Luther163]

It is astonishing how little weight players actually put on. :?
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[JimmyDimes]

Now maybe we can get someone to put some weight on these guys and not the "lean muscle" b.s. we were fed.

Actually, if you look at starting weight and ending weight, it is astonishing how little weight players actually put on. I think somewhere around 10 maybe 15 pounds is the max.

A perpetual myth on this board is that players will greatly increase size, speed, and explosiveness. That simply is not true. Players put on some weight and usually increase strength (ability to lift weight). They don't get faster or don't jump appreciably higher and only marginally put on pounds.

I believe a player can improve size, strength and speed. That is why the lift weight, etc. And the weight gain needed depends on the position and the size of the player already. In some cases a players needs to drop some fat and add muscle mass. An example would be Chase Roullier....he came in at 290 and is currently around the same weight. Shawn wick came in at 190 and has gained about 25 pounds of muscle mass. Many players have gained much more than the 25 pounds Wick did.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000246209/article/five-drills-to-increase-your-speed-to-an-nfl-level" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[stymeman]

not the best news of the offseason, Cowboy tough will take on a new mantra

 

[JimmyDimes]

This guy doesn't play for Wyoming anymore, but he definitely put on some weight.

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[ragtimejoe1]

Now maybe we can get someone to put some weight on these guys and not the "lean muscle" b.s. we were fed.

Actually, if you look at starting weight and ending weight, it is astonishing how little weight players actually put on. I think somewhere around 10 maybe 15 pounds is the max.

A perpetual myth on this board is that players will greatly increase size, speed, and explosiveness. That simply is not true. Players put on some weight and usually increase strength (ability to lift weight). They don't get faster or don't jump appreciably higher and only marginally put on pounds.

I believe a player can improve size, strength and speed. That is why the lift weight, etc. And the weight gain needed depends on the position and the size of the player already. In some cases a players needs to drop some fat and add muscle mass. An example would be Chase Roullier....he came in at 290 and is currently around the same weight. Shawn wick came in at 190 and has gained about 25 pounds of muscle mass. Many players have gained much more than the 25 pounds Wick did.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000246209/article/five-drills-to-increase-your-speed-to-an-nfl-level" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is why we use stats, Jimmy. There is certainly a standard error associated with every mean. ON AVERAGE, most players add some pound but not huge amounts. Certainly, some will add more and some may lose.

Regarding speed, I've actually started looking and I haven't found an example of players greatly reducing their 40 time. Based on muscle physiology, it makes some sense. Speed is mostly dictated by fiber type, the amount of neuronal input to the muscle, and other genetic based parameter. It can be maximized, but it is more similar to height (i.e. you get what you get).

If our plan is to get a bunch of lightweight guys with marginal speed, put them in a gym for 4 years and start winning, it won't work. Fortunately, I don't think that is our plan. Just some posters think it can work that way.

Our recruiting will have to get better, but getting some wins has to happen first. I'm not bagging Bohl on this, just the posters who think you can magically overcome biology in the weight room.

 

[Slow Hand]

It is interesting that we had a Strength Coach that believed in lean muscle and speed as the building blocks for a football program when we have a coach that believed in a power system. It seems to me that Duval may have been a better fit for DC than he was for CB. I think CB needs big corn fed boys up front in order to be successful.

 

[LanderPoke]

It is interesting that we had a Strength Coach that believed in lean muscle and speed as the building blocks for a football program when we have a coach that believed in a power system. It seems to me that Duval may have been a better fit for DC than he was for CB. I think CB needs big corn fed boys up front in order to be successful.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[JimmyDimes]

Now maybe we can get someone to put some weight on these guys and not the "lean muscle" b.s. we were fed.

Actually, if you look at starting weight and ending weight, it is astonishing how little weight players actually put on. I think somewhere around 10 maybe 15 pounds is the max.

A perpetual myth on this board is that players will greatly increase size, speed, and explosiveness. That simply is not true. Players put on some weight and usually increase strength (ability to lift weight). They don't get faster or don't jump appreciably higher and only marginally put on pounds.

I believe a player can improve size, strength and speed. That is why the lift weight, etc. And the weight gain needed depends on the position and the size of the player already. In some cases a players needs to drop some fat and add muscle mass. An example would be Chase Roullier....he came in at 290 and is currently around the same weight. Shawn wick came in at 190 and has gained about 25 pounds of muscle mass. Many players have gained much more than the 25 pounds Wick did.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000246209/article/five-drills-to-increase-your-speed-to-an-nfl-level" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That is why we use stats, Jimmy. There is certainly a standard error associated with every mean. ON AVERAGE, most players add some pound but not huge amounts. Certainly, some will add more and some may lose.

Regarding speed, I've actually started looking and I haven't found an example of players greatly reducing their 40 time. Based on muscle physiology, it makes some sense. Speed is mostly dictated by fiber type, the amount of neuronal input to the muscle, and other genetic based parameter. It can be maximized, but it is more similar to height (i.e. you get what you get).

If our plan is to get a bunch of lightweight guys with marginal speed, put them in a gym for 4 years and start winning, it won't work. Fortunately, I don't think that is our plan. Just some posters think it can work that way.

Our recruiting will have to get better, but getting some wins has to happen first. I'm not bagging Bohl on this, just the posters who think you can magically overcome biology in the weight room.

Who are these lightweight guys with marginal speed that Bohl is building his team with? In his first two classes he has recruited one, if not the best, running back in school history and a first team freshman all american. Oh, and no shortcuts.

I think you are working with the premise that every player who was on the field last year was a Bohl recruit and weren't up to your standards. Bohl's recruits were still underclassmen this past season and stuck out more than many of the vets.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

Who are these lightweight guys with marginal speed that Bohl is building his team with? In his first two classes he has recruited one, if not the best, running back in school history and a first team freshman all american. Oh, and no shortcuts.

I think you are working with the premise that every player who was on the field last year was a Bohl recruit and weren't up to your standards. Bohl's recruits were still underclassmen this past season and stuck out more than many of the vets.

We were largely undersized last year but I think that is getting better with this year's recruiting class. It will need to continue to get even better.

1 or 2 players in a class won't cut it. I've always said that I think Bohl and company do a good job with recruiting.

I'm just dispelling a myth that you can get lighter weight kids or marginal speed kids and put a bunch of pounds on them or get them to run a lot faster. It doesn't work like that.

This isn't directed at Bohl at all (I think he and staff recruit fairly well) but directed at a myth on this board.

 

[MrTitleist]

We were largely undersized last year but I think that is getting better with this year's recruiting class. It will need to continue to get even better.

Well yeah, we were playing a bunch of guys who needed a redshirt year instead of playing right away.. like Granderson would have HUGELY benefited from a year of being in the weight/strength program. I'll be curious to see if Wingard bulks up any this offseason.

 

[ragtimejoe1]

We were largely undersized last year but I think that is getting better with this year's recruiting class. It will need to continue to get even better.

Well yeah, we were playing a bunch of guys who needed a redshirt year instead of playing right away.. like Granderson would have HUGELY benefited from a year of being in the weight/strength program. I'll be curious to see if Wingard bulks up any this offseason.

Yeah, that is the point. How much do you realistically expect these players to put on? According to research, the average isn't that much.

Like a said, a perpetual myth is that you can take kids and put 20, 30, or more pounds on them and decrease their 40 times. That doesn't mean they wouldn't benefit from a redshirt, but it is unrealistic to expect the weight room to exceed genetics.

 

[SDPokeFan]

We were largely undersized last year but I think that is getting better with this year's recruiting class. It will need to continue to get even better.

Well yeah, we were playing a bunch of guys who needed a redshirt year instead of playing right away.. like Granderson would have HUGELY benefited from a year of being in the weight/strength program. I'll be curious to see if Wingard bulks up any this offseason.

Yeah, that is the point. How much do you realistically expect these players to put on? According to research, the average isn't that much.

Like a said, a perpetual myth is that you can take kids and put 20, 30, or more pounds on them and decrease their 40 times. That doesn't mean they wouldn't benefit from a redshirt, but it is unrealistic to expect the weight room to exceed genetics.

Granderson would have to literally almost gain half of his body weight to be the size of a prototypical defensive end.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Granderson is listed at 200, he only has to put on about 30 to be the right size for a pass rush DE. Now if you want him to be an all down DE, yes, he'd need about 60-70.

 

[LanderPoke]

Granderson was up to 210. He put on 10lb over the course of the season. I bet by next season he's up to 240.

 

[WYCowboy]

So you lose some fat and replace it with muscle mass. Any way you cut it, that sounds better to me - more strength and I'm betting more speed/quickness too. And then you get a year of experience at the D1 level, and that is going to be improvement over throwing all the green freshmen into the mix as he had to do last season.

 

[Pokeureyeout]

What a loss! Who else is going to craft us 185 pound linebackers and 195 pound defensive ends?

This might be the dumbest thing I've read on here. Conversions and freshman don't a strength coach make...

 

[cowboyz]

What a loss! Who else is going to craft us 185 pound linebackers and 195 pound defensive ends?

This might be the dumbest thing I've read on here. Conversions and freshman don't a strength coach make...

You must be pretty new here, as we collectively say much dumber things then this.

 

[cali2wyo]

What a loss! Who else is going to craft us 185 pound linebackers and 195 pound defensive ends?

This might be the dumbest thing I've read on here. Conversions and freshman don't a strength coach make...

You must be pretty new here, as we collectively say much dumber things then this.

Well it was his first post, so... :lol: :lol:

 

[SDPokeFan]

What a loss! Who else is going to craft us 185 pound linebackers and 195 pound defensive ends?

This might be the dumbest thing I've read on here. Conversions and freshman don't a strength coach make...

Freshman? Our junior middle linebacker checks in at about 205 pounds.

 

[Pokeureyeout]

What a loss! Who else is going to craft us 185 pound linebackers and 195 pound defensive ends?

This might be the dumbest thing I've read on here. Conversions and freshman don't a strength coach make...

Freshman? Our junior middle linebacker checks in at about 205 pounds.

If he's a junior, he was recruited by DC and none of the LB's on the property under DC had any size.