carbonpoke
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an election year to boot. I feel like we always have ourselves a recruiting argument about whether or not our class has enough stars. feels very left wing right wing to me.
I want to bring up a couple of things about rebuilding from a historical standpoint, mostly from memory, so feel free to correct if I'm wrong. probably gonna be a long post.
Alabama: Remember when Alabama SUCKED... I do. 80's through the beginning of Saban. I wanted to like Alabama because of their history with Bear Bryant, but they sucked big time. Birmingham was not the destination for college recruits. Florida schools were the big time then... not Podunk Alabama.
Oregon: Before Phil Knight's check book changed the facilities, and really the whole recruiting pitch for every college, Oregon sucked big time.
Boise State: still a mystery to me, but what I can tell you is that the airport meeting that we were part of, greatly helped Boise historic climb to relevancy. If the mountain west had never formed, would boise have become the dominant force in the wac? Nope, well maybe, but it would have been a much longer road.
Michigan: this is a work in progress. years of forgotten averageness, only to hire an alum, that in my estimation will have them winning again soon. they missed with hoke, but I will get to the why momentarily.
Okey. So first, lets talk about different approaches to fielding a program now. There is a national crazy to having yourself part of relevant program or conference. My belief is that the G5 conference want a recruiting discrepancy. because its damn hard to get out of the suck zone if you don't have a recruiting advantage.
there are college towns today, that don't even have to put forth a sweat when recruiting. The location recruits itself. Its the pull of the "bennies" that go along with being at these schools that most spoiled big headed recruits want. I shouldn't even insult everybody's intelligence with examples of what I am talking about, so I won't I think you all get my drift.
So how did Alabama do it? Well, history and finding a coach that could win through that history. Saban immediately had the support of the Tide faithful because he brought back Bryant football. but he also got lucky, because he found enough wins early in his time there to keep his job.
Oregon, never had anything. They are lucky that Phil is a football fan, because Oregon used a huge budget to buy their wins. Facilities are damn important.
boise, timing was everything, and fiddling with what acceptance criteria they had. They built a team of misfits around a solid coaching staff and it worked.
Michigan, kinda the same mold as Alabama, lets get back to our roots and fill our stadium, win... and everybody will be happy.
there's a ton more that I want to say about schools that do a successful rebuild, but I really need to move on to Wyoming.
Alabama wasn't out recruiting the other schools in the SEC, saban made it work... AND he did it his way... AND he's the boss. Is Bohl our guy? I think so, but a lot of other things have to go right.
Budget, attrition, complete coaching staff, facilities, and brand all have a big part of what we have to do.
Developmental programs, which WE ARE (and that aint changing anytime soon or with a different coach), have to be above average in all the above categories. We need a competitive budget, we need low attrition, we need a complete and above average coaching staff, we need updated facilities, and we need a brand of football that we sell (which ties into bring back the history of our program)... which is exactly what Bohl had adamantly said he is trying to do.
So to that end, recruiting stars don't FUCKING matter to us yet. work ethic, keeping kids in the program, having coaching consistency, building around facilities, increasing our budget... and winning. That's the most important part. WINNING.
do you think that any other coach could walk into Wyoming, with the facilities that we have, the budget that we have, and start pulling in recruiting stars... NOOOO. not gonna happen.
if bohl gets let go eventually, it wasn't because he didn't understand this. It would be because he couldn't win. But is that all on him? Most of it, the big thing right now for him to fix is our coaching staff. but there are things that could lead to him losing his job that are not his responsibility. Facilities and Budget.
I think our state is trying, I think burman is trying, I think the cowboy joe club is trying.
I just hope that us as a taxpaying fan, understand that there is much more going on here, and much MUCH more that we need to do besides what happened today. I still like this class... it has a lot of work ethic.
will we ever get the balanced coaching staff that we need on the budget we currently have. Look around... look at successful programs, how does our coaching budget stack up against success?
find the real root of the problem. Don't treat symptom's, treat the disease.
I want to bring up a couple of things about rebuilding from a historical standpoint, mostly from memory, so feel free to correct if I'm wrong. probably gonna be a long post.
Alabama: Remember when Alabama SUCKED... I do. 80's through the beginning of Saban. I wanted to like Alabama because of their history with Bear Bryant, but they sucked big time. Birmingham was not the destination for college recruits. Florida schools were the big time then... not Podunk Alabama.
Oregon: Before Phil Knight's check book changed the facilities, and really the whole recruiting pitch for every college, Oregon sucked big time.
Boise State: still a mystery to me, but what I can tell you is that the airport meeting that we were part of, greatly helped Boise historic climb to relevancy. If the mountain west had never formed, would boise have become the dominant force in the wac? Nope, well maybe, but it would have been a much longer road.
Michigan: this is a work in progress. years of forgotten averageness, only to hire an alum, that in my estimation will have them winning again soon. they missed with hoke, but I will get to the why momentarily.
Okey. So first, lets talk about different approaches to fielding a program now. There is a national crazy to having yourself part of relevant program or conference. My belief is that the G5 conference want a recruiting discrepancy. because its damn hard to get out of the suck zone if you don't have a recruiting advantage.
there are college towns today, that don't even have to put forth a sweat when recruiting. The location recruits itself. Its the pull of the "bennies" that go along with being at these schools that most spoiled big headed recruits want. I shouldn't even insult everybody's intelligence with examples of what I am talking about, so I won't I think you all get my drift.
So how did Alabama do it? Well, history and finding a coach that could win through that history. Saban immediately had the support of the Tide faithful because he brought back Bryant football. but he also got lucky, because he found enough wins early in his time there to keep his job.
Oregon, never had anything. They are lucky that Phil is a football fan, because Oregon used a huge budget to buy their wins. Facilities are damn important.
boise, timing was everything, and fiddling with what acceptance criteria they had. They built a team of misfits around a solid coaching staff and it worked.
Michigan, kinda the same mold as Alabama, lets get back to our roots and fill our stadium, win... and everybody will be happy.
there's a ton more that I want to say about schools that do a successful rebuild, but I really need to move on to Wyoming.
Alabama wasn't out recruiting the other schools in the SEC, saban made it work... AND he did it his way... AND he's the boss. Is Bohl our guy? I think so, but a lot of other things have to go right.
Budget, attrition, complete coaching staff, facilities, and brand all have a big part of what we have to do.
Developmental programs, which WE ARE (and that aint changing anytime soon or with a different coach), have to be above average in all the above categories. We need a competitive budget, we need low attrition, we need a complete and above average coaching staff, we need updated facilities, and we need a brand of football that we sell (which ties into bring back the history of our program)... which is exactly what Bohl had adamantly said he is trying to do.
So to that end, recruiting stars don't FUCKING matter to us yet. work ethic, keeping kids in the program, having coaching consistency, building around facilities, increasing our budget... and winning. That's the most important part. WINNING.
do you think that any other coach could walk into Wyoming, with the facilities that we have, the budget that we have, and start pulling in recruiting stars... NOOOO. not gonna happen.
if bohl gets let go eventually, it wasn't because he didn't understand this. It would be because he couldn't win. But is that all on him? Most of it, the big thing right now for him to fix is our coaching staff. but there are things that could lead to him losing his job that are not his responsibility. Facilities and Budget.
I think our state is trying, I think burman is trying, I think the cowboy joe club is trying.
I just hope that us as a taxpaying fan, understand that there is much more going on here, and much MUCH more that we need to do besides what happened today. I still like this class... it has a lot of work ethic.
will we ever get the balanced coaching staff that we need on the budget we currently have. Look around... look at successful programs, how does our coaching budget stack up against success?
find the real root of the problem. Don't treat symptom's, treat the disease.
