Brett goes undrafted.

[theman12]

No a playmaker that plays faster than his 40, and makes amazing plays in the sec on the regular is better than a good QB that couldn't even do the things he did in the MWC. OKAY THEN

And Manziel benefieted from a ton of talent on the line and in the recieving corps. He also had a coach who could develop players and make adjustments. You expect Smith to block for himself when the o-line lets an undersized linebacker through? Or make halftime adjustments when what they are running isn't working? Put Manziel in Brett's place, we in maybe 2 or 3 games. Put Brett in Manziel's place, I doubt you see any offensive drop off, and if anything, maybe some improvement since he would have a reliable o-line for once.

Haha you're delusional. Manziel would have won a MWC campionship last year and Brett would've been an average player in the SEC

I'm delusional? Manziel would begin running for his life before he ever got any pressure and was lucky he didn't take a hit to the head. Had he tried that here, and he would have, he would have been in the hospital several times and his career over. Smith at least tried to stay in the pocket and make plays when he could, but had to take off because of inadequate protection. Manziel had a 1st rounder reciever to toss the ball to and a 1st round o-linmen to make sure he wasn't creamed from behind while running like a chicken with it's head cut off.

The defensive speed in the MW is nothing compared to the sec. I'm pretty sure he'd hold his own in the MWC. Do you really believe what you're saying?

 

[fromolwyoming]

Dudes, Johnny Football was throwing to a first round WR, while under protection from a first round offensive lineman.

<br sab="691"><br sab="692">Against first round defensive players. While brett was losing to MWC conference players. it goes both ways dude

And quite a few of those players have been drafted, all conference team, or free agented while how many of our o-linemen have done anything close? Nick Carlson is the only one that made all conference in recent memory (and that's as high as any of them went), but otherwise, our o-line has made FCS d-lines look awesome, let alone FBS d-lines.

 

[fromolwyoming]

No a playmaker that plays faster than his 40, and makes amazing plays in the sec on the regular is better than a good QB that couldn't even do the things he did in the MWC. OKAY THEN

And Manziel benefieted from a ton of talent on the line and in the recieving corps. He also had a coach who could develop players and make adjustments. You expect Smith to block for himself when the o-line lets an undersized linebacker through? Or make halftime adjustments when what they are running isn't working? Put Manziel in Brett's place, we in maybe 2 or 3 games. Put Brett in Manziel's place, I doubt you see any offensive drop off, and if anything, maybe some improvement since he would have a reliable o-line for once.

Haha you're delusional. Manziel would have won a MWC campionship last year and Brett would've been an average player in the SEC

I'm delusional? Manziel would begin running for his life before he ever got any pressure and was lucky he didn't take a hit to the head. Had he tried that here, and he would have, he would have been in the hospital several times and his career over. Smith at least tried to stay in the pocket and make plays when he could, but had to take off because of inadequate protection. Manziel had a 1st rounder reciever to toss the ball to and a 1st round o-linmen to make sure he wasn't creamed from behind while running like a chicken with it's head cut off.

The defensive speed in the MW is nothing compared to the sec. I'm pretty sure he'd hold his own in the MWC. Do you really believe what you're saying?

Are you forgetting how abysmal our o-line has been for years?

 

[calpoke25]

Are you forgetting how abysmal our o-line has been for years?

I'll repeat. The NFL doesn't care about all the other excuses you may use. Time will tell who ends up being the better pro, but as of right now, Manziel is ahead.

 

[theman12]

Are you forgetting how abysmal our o-line has been for years?

I've seen Brett's highlights is not like the oline just let people wall through every play. Heck just put up a poll and ask people who would they rather have play at wyo. I love Brett but I'm
Definitely picking Johnny.

 

[laxwyo]

Theman is back? Ready to be banned again?? Some quick facts. Johnny is not faster. Johnny does not have better pocket presence. Johnny did beat big teams on the same level as his team. Brett beat teams on the same level as the rest of our team. Were the levels different? Yes,
Of course. Could Brett hit a 1 rd wide receiver beating an SEC DB while being protected by some of best offensive linemen? You bet your ass. Johnny will fade away as a bust in Cleveland . I couldn't think of a crappier place for him to go lol

 

[Cuttslam]

I haven't seen a more exciting football player in years. Thank you Johnny football.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Dudes, Johnny Football was throwing to a first round WR, while under protection from a first round offensive lineman.

He was also playing against 1st round secondaries and lineman. There are two sides to that coin.

 

[bladerunnr]

Theman is back? Ready to be banned again?? Some quick facts. Johnny is not faster. Johnny does not have better pocket presence. Johnny did beat big teams on the same level as his team. Brett beat teams on the same level as the rest of our team. Were the levels different? Yes,
Of course. Could Brett hit a 1 rd wide receiver beating an SEC DB while being protected by some of best offensive linemen? You bet your ass. Johnny will fade away as a bust in Cleveland . I couldn't think of a crappier place for him to go lol

Simply not true. Texas A & M was nothing before Manziel got there. He runs a faster 40. He makes better decisions and has a stronger arm and a quicker release. He's also more accurate. He beat Alabama at Alabama as a freshman. They were huge underdogs in that game. They won games they were not favored in.

Last year, we beat UNC, Idaho, New mexico, Hawaii, and Air force. All of those teams were horrible and we could have beat any of them with Thompson as the qb. Manziel may be a bust as a pro but he was a vastly superior college qb to Smith. If Smith was so good, why didn't he get an invite to the combine? I hope he does well but he did nothing at Wyoming to suggest he would be capable of playing at the next level.

 

[SLCPoke]

Dudes, Johnny Football was throwing to a first round WR, while under protection from a first round offensive lineman.

He was also playing against 1st round secondaries and lineman. There are two sides to that coin.

Don't get me wrong- I'm not jumping on the band wagon of Brett being better than Johnny Manziel (as much as I think the guy is a total douche). But let's put this into perspective- Johnny played with a first round WR (picked 7th overall and a first round OT (picked 6th overall) EVERY game last season. Johnny played against 1st round secondaries and lineman in 2 games last year, once vs Alabama (a LB picked 17th overall and a Safety picked 21st overall...A&M lost 42-49) and Auburn (a DE picked 23rd overall, A&M lost 41-45).

Let's not get carried away and assume just because they are on a SEC team that they are all 1st round talent. I understand the glaring difference in quality of players between the conferences, but let's not act like every team that Johnny played was a bunch of world beaters. I would say that Brett would have started for half of the SEC teams last year (Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Tennessee, Florida and possibly Ole Miss). To try and compare what Manziel did with the talent around him and the talent he played against vs what Brett did with the talent around him and the talent he played against isn't exactly apples to apples for either side of the argument.

Let's just find out what happens in the pre-season. I think even though Brett wasn't drafted, he landed in a good position. Let's not forget that Marcus Arroyo is the QB coach and that Jeff Tedford is the Offensive Coordinator for the Bucs, as that could play a very positive role for Brett.

 

[SLCPoke]

Theman is back? Ready to be banned again?? Some quick facts. Johnny is not faster. Johnny does not have better pocket presence. Johnny did beat big teams on the same level as his team. Brett beat teams on the same level as the rest of our team. Were the levels different? Yes,
Of course. Could Brett hit a 1 rd wide receiver beating an SEC DB while being protected by some of best offensive linemen? You bet your ass. Johnny will fade away as a bust in Cleveland . I couldn't think of a crappier place for him to go lol

Simply not true. Texas A & M was nothing before Manziel got there. He runs a faster 40. He makes better decisions and has a stronger arm and a quicker release. He's also more accurate. He beat Alabama at Alabama as a freshman. They were huge underdogs in that game. They won games they were not favored in.

Last year, we beat UNC, Idaho, New mexico, Hawaii, and Air force. All of those teams were horrible and we could have beat any of them with Thompson as the qb. Manziel may be a bust as a pro but he was a vastly superior college qb to Smith. If Smith was so good, why didn't he get an invite to the combine? I hope he does well but he did nothing at Wyoming to suggest he would be capable of playing at the next level.

Johnny Manziel 40 time- 4.68
Brett Smith 40 time- 4.51

Other than that, I'm not an NFL scout nor even a college coach to argue either way.

 

[BackHarlowRoad]

Johnny Manziel 40 time- 4.68
Brett Smith 40 time- 4.51

Other than that, I'm not an NFL scout nor even a college coach to argue either way.

To be objective, we must remember that Pro Day times are almost always much better than Combine times.

(See Herron, by .20 seconds)

 

[spindoctor02]

In this forum: A bunch of Wyoming fans, having troubles dealing with the fact that their "QB Savior" left them, claim he's the best QB in all of College Football.

In real life: 32 NFL teams and scouts decided he wasn't worthy of a draft pick.

As much as you guys loved him and thought he was awesome, I'm going to have to side with the NFL teams and scouts on this one. Can he prove them all wrong, by winning the TB starting spot, and running with it? Sure, but there is probably a reason why guys like Manziel, Bridgewater, and Bortles went in the first round, and Brett didn't get a combine invite or get his name read this weekend.

 

[SLCPoke]

Johnny Manziel 40 time- 4.68
Brett Smith 40 time- 4.51

Other than that, I'm not an NFL scout nor even a college coach to argue either way.

To be objective, we must remember that Pro Day times are almost always much better than Combine times.

(See Herron, by .20 seconds)

Yes- but generally a player will only re-run if he thinks he can improve his time at his Pro Day...Johnny did not run at his Pro Day (that I was able to find) leading me to believe he felt that the 4.68 was pretty accurate.

 

[theman12]

Theman is back? Ready to be banned again?? Some quick facts. Johnny is not faster. Johnny does not have better pocket presence. Johnny did beat big teams on the same level as his team. Brett beat teams on the same level as the rest of our team. Were the levels different? Yes,
Of course. Could Brett hit a 1 rd wide receiver beating an SEC DB while being protected by some of best offensive linemen? You bet your ass. Johnny will fade away as a bust in Cleveland . I couldn't think of a crappier place for him to go lol

Haha I was never banned I just took some time off. And yes brett could do those things. But he couldnt make plays against Alabama and company. For those who think Manziel wouldnt be the best QB wyo had ever had if he attended, I don't understand them. I'm not saying brett isn't good I'm saying Manziel is better

 

[snowsailor]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL at Brett Smith entering the draft early. :rofl: :lol:

 

[snowsailor]

The Denver Broncos took a NDSU player over him :rofl:

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Manziel is one of the most overrated players in the history of the draft IMO. Every "big" play he made in college was an absurd scramble that would get him leveled by even an average NFL D lineman. Take those away and he's no better than AJ Maccarron...and a much bigger douchebag.

 

[alyssa]

Y'all reminded me of Bucky Richardson.
http://arrestnation.com/2014/02/26/former-college-nfl-quarterback-bucky-richardson-arrested/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To SLC bringing up Texas A&M scores. aTm had the worst defense in the SEC. If the team had a decent defense in the SEC that team would have went 11-1 (because it's hard to win them all) or 12-0. That team just might have won THE CH (I can't finish that sentence).

I watched the games the defence didn't help out JF's offence.

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Portals/3/SEC%20Website/football/confldrs.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[alyssa]

Also Wyoming can recruit against Texas because UT didn't get a player drafted!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10914219/2014-nfl-draft-texas-longhorns-zero-players-drafted" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;