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25-26 Basketball Roster

307bball said:
The long reported bad outcomes of lottery winners is one of those myths that just doesn't die. Media over-reports those times when people fantastically crash and burn so you don't really get a good idea of actual outcomes. Google around a bit and you actually see that the lottery winner's being worse off later is an urban myth....but, back to athletics.

It's really hard to make the case that these players getting this money is going to cause them to be worse off. For the athletes who are not going pro (the vast majority), they have had bad graduation rates for a long time. Does it go from bad to worse? maybe...but you can't go past zero. That means that the main difference is, do they make some cash while they are not earning their degree or do they not get any cash? When they did not earn any cash...those players (who never did earn degrees at a high rate) had pretty depressing outcomes 10 years on. Nowadays...they can capture some money while playing and, if they have the same behaviors as before, will have depressing outcomes just like before.

The players that are serous about getting degrees (and there are still a lot of them) will still get their degrees...even if they transfer around a bit chasing some cash...the players who are chasing the dream but don't have a backup plan will now get some $$ before flaming out...and the superstars will make generational money and then go pro.
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Your claim regarding lottery winners would be news to me.

The Certified Financial Planner Board of Standards reports that approximately 1/3 of all lottery winners file for bankruptcy within 5 years of winning the lottery.

While this is certainly not all of the lottery winners, and not even a majority, it occurs at a significantly higher rate than in the general population.
 
TheRealUW said:
Your claim regarding lottery winners would be news to me.

The Certified Financial Planner Board of Standards reports that approximately 1/3 of all lottery winners file for bankruptcy within 5 years of winning the lottery.

While this is certainly not all of the lottery winners, and not even a majority, it occurs at a significantly higher rate than in the general population.
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www.forbes.com

Does winning the lottery ruin the lives of winners?

Most people think lottery winners end up miserable and bankrupt. But that's not true. Winners report greater life satisfaction and most don't end up broke.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

Too be fair... This surprised me as well. I didn't check all the sources but it all makes sense to me. And to be accurate, you would have to compare lottery winner bankruptcy rates with bankruptcy rates of lottery players... Not the general population bankruptcy rates. But I digress

Back to the topic of college athletes getting paid. For the vast majority of athletes, the most valuable thing they can get while playing their sport is a degree. If we look back and see graduation rates of athletes going down during this era, your argument that it hurts them is a good one. I guess that would surprise me. One thing I was wrong on... Student athletes actually graduate at a pretty high rate. Time will tell the effects.
 
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OrediggerPoke said:
It is good that WIcks is being given the ability to part ways with players that are clearly not D1 caliber. Feel sorry for the kid though.
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It’s a side effect enhanced by the portal. The guy was told he wasn’t B1G material at Nebraska and was barely limited minutes worthy here - mostly in OOC games against patsy teams. He couldn’t keep a miniature poodle from a fire hydrant or wrestle a rebound from someone smaller than Spud Webb. At least if he did get open he could dunk the ball unlike some centers in the past who played for UW.

There are a lot of really bad teams in D1 so I wouldn’t be surprised if a program like Cal Fullerton or Green Bay took interest.

The way I look at it anymore is if any player can walk away every year then the programs can also say take a walk.
 
307bball said:
www.forbes.com

Does winning the lottery ruin the lives of winners?

Most people think lottery winners end up miserable and bankrupt. But that's not true. Winners report greater life satisfaction and most don't end up broke.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com

Too be fair... This surprised me as well. I didn't check all the sources but it all makes sense to me. And to be accurate, you would have to compare lottery winner bankruptcy rates with bankruptcy rates of lottery players... Not the general population bankruptcy rates. But I digress

Back to the topic of college athletes getting paid. For the vast majority of athletes, the most valuable thing they can get while playing their sport is a degree. If we look back and see graduation rates of athletes going down during this era, your argument that it hurts them is a good one. I guess that would surprise me. One thing I was wrong on... Student athletes actually graduate at a pretty high rate. Time will tell the effects.
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It has more to do with basic financial knowledge. That's one of the things that these athletes need, but will likely ignore at their peril.
 
Bear Claw said:
Not surprising. Sunny will probably have to rebuild the entire roster for next season.
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I think that is going to have to be done every season moving forward. Wyoming is one of many schools that will have to completely rebuild every season in the new era of college basketball.
 
At this point I think we're done seeing players enter the portal. Magassa and Belic are good pieces to build around.

The hard truth is this team was thrown together at the last minute with players that no one else wanted. It's not surprising to see this much turnover with that in mind. Year zero was a moderate success for Sunny, all things considered. Let's see what he can do when he gets more than 2 1/2 weeks to recruit a team.
 
Bryoming said:
At this point I think we're done seeing players enter the portal. Magassa and Belic are good pieces to build around.

The hard truth is this team was thrown together at the last minute with players that no one else wanted. It's not surprising to see this much turnover with that in mind. Year zero was a moderate success for Sunny, all things considered. Let's see what he can do when he gets more than 2 1/2 weeks to recruit a team.
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Sunny has a lot of legitimate excuses, but let's not pretend last year was a "moderate success".

We went 5-15 in conference and finished in 9th place. We lost in the first round of the conference tournament. Yes, we were competitive in many games, but we lost almost all of them. Last year was a complete failure and saying anything else is inaccurate in my opinion.

Next year will be very telling. Sunny won't have the excuses he had this year. If we don't take a major step forward, then I will be very concerned. I worry that Sunny could have been a very successful coach as a "program builder" in the pre-NIL world. But those days are long gone. He is basically going to have a new team every single year. Can he get buy-in and rebuild the program every single year? That is a tall task and a lot to ask of any coach.
 
TheRealUW said:
Sunny has a lot of legitimate excuses, but let's not pretend last year was a "moderate success".

We went 5-15 in conference and finished in 9th place. We lost in the first round of the conference tournament. Yes, we were competitive in many games, but we lost almost all of them. Last year was a complete failure and saying anything else is inaccurate in my opinion.

Next year will be very telling. Sunny won't have the excuses he had this year. If we don't take a major step forward, then I will be very concerned. I worry that Sunny could have been a very successful coach as a "program builder" in the pre-NIL world. But those days are long gone. He is basically going to have a new team every single year. Can he get buy-in and rebuild the program every single year? That is a tall task and a lot to ask of any coach.
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In my opinion there are very few coaches in the country that, when given the timeline we had to build a roster and given the players that we were able to recruit, could have done any better. That is why I'm deeming the season a moderate success. It would have been a huge success if we could have finished at .500.
 
TheRealUW said:
Sunny has a lot of legitimate excuses, but let's not pretend last year was a "moderate success".

We went 5-15 in conference and finished in 9th place. We lost in the first round of the conference tournament. Yes, we were competitive in many games, but we lost almost all of them. Last year was a complete failure and saying anything else is inaccurate in my opinion.

Next year will be very telling. Sunny won't have the excuses he had this year. If we don't take a major step forward, then I will be very concerned. I worry that Sunny could have been a very successful coach as a "program builder" in the pre-NIL world. But those days are long gone. He is basically going to have a new team every single year. Can he get buy-in and rebuild the program every single year? That is a tall task and a lot to ask of any coach.
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I disagree with this to an extent.

I mean your 2nd big paragraph about Sunny not having excuses next year.

Not saying he would or should use excuses but Wyoming will not be good next year because of NIL. No coach could come to Wyoming and win with the way NIL is now. Not Pitino , Bill Self, Red Auerbach, John Wooden or Phil Jackson.

Until they get rules in place where players can’t leave every year it won’t matter. Wyoming isn’t like a Duke or Kentucky that gets the one and down pro type players. As you already know.

Sure Wyoming could get lucky one year and have a good year but every player that was halfway decent on the team will be gone the year after because they will get poached by bigger schools that pay them.

So anyone that thinks Wyoming is going to start magically being good now with the way NIL is with no rules is living in lala land.
 
Bryoming said:
In my opinion there are very few coaches in the country that, when given the timeline we had to build a roster and given the players that we were able to recruit, could have done any better. That is why I'm deeming the season a moderate success. It would have been a huge success if we could have finished at .500.
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I guess we finished about where I would expect based on the situation Sunny inherited. He walked into a dumpster fire...there is no denying that. It was a nearly impossible situation for him to be successful this year. We can agree on that.

But we finished above only a service academy and a historically bad Fresno State team. We also managed to lose once to that historically bad Fresno State team. We lost three times to the 8th place team in front of us, including in the tournament where we were supposed to be a "tough out". We got absolutely embarrassed by our biggest rival twice. I also saw less hustle and tenaciousness from the team as the season went on.

I just don't see how Sunny overachieved in any way this season. I think it went about like I expected it to. If you want to argue that he outperformed Vance Walberg at Fresno State, then I will give you that. We will find out just how good of a coach Sunny is next season.
 
seattlecowboy said:
I disagree with this to an extent.

I mean your 2nd big paragraph about Sunny not having excuses next year.

Not saying he would or should use excuses but Wyoming will not be good next year because of NIL. No coach could come to Wyoming and win with the way NIL is now. Not Pitino , Bill Self, Red Auerbach, John Wooden or Phil Jackson.

Until they get rules in place where players can’t leave every year it won’t matter. Wyoming isn’t like a Duke or Kentucky that gets the one and down pro type players. As you already know.

Sure Wyoming could get lucky one year and have a good year but every player that was halfway decent on the team will be gone the year after because they will get poached by bigger schools that pay them.

So anyone that thinks Wyoming is going to start magically being good now with the way NIL is with no rules is living in lala land.
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I completely agree with you. We aren't challenging for the conference title next year, or anytime soon.

But would you say Sunny overperformed this season? Would you consider this season a moderate success, even in relative terms?
 
seattlecowboy said:
I disagree with this to an extent.

I mean your 2nd big paragraph about Sunny not having excuses next year.

Not saying he would or should use excuses but Wyoming will not be good next year because of NIL. No coach could come to Wyoming and win with the way NIL is now. Not Pitino , Bill Self, Red Auerbach, John Wooden or Phil Jackson.

Until they get rules in place where players can’t leave every year it won’t matter. Wyoming isn’t like a Duke or Kentucky that gets the one and down pro type players. As you already know.

Sure Wyoming could get lucky one year and have a good year but every player that was halfway decent on the team will be gone the year after because they will get poached by bigger schools that pay them.

So anyone that thinks Wyoming is going to start magically being good now with the way NIL is with no rules is living in lala land.
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I don't necessarily disagree - but still wonder how CSU and Utah State seem to have success after replacing large swaths of their rosters and coaches year after year. Logan is no Shangri-La.
 
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