2016 recruiting thread....

[poke_addict]

Another point that needs to be made is that when we went after Boucher it was only because Sellers scholarship opened up if I remember correct. So if it wouldn't have then we would have never went after him anyways. So acting like we waited too long to go after Boucher is false. It is because we had no scholarships before that.

As far as Williams goes there was no way we were getting him either but again only reason people starting looking at him was because Trey Washington's scholarship opened up. Before that there was no scholarship. So we would have had to start recruiting him far too late to try to get him and by that time he was already getting offers from a bunch of high majors.

The only one that would have been a possible option would have been this last guy that went to Boise St.

You guys need to look at the situations that were happening at the time rather than just saying Wyoming didn't recruit them. When you try to recruit players that are high major types but get a late start (being more than half the season is already gone) only because another guy quits your team or gets kicked off and that is why you have an open scholarship then it is going to be damn hard to even have a chance at having the kid listen to one word you have to say.

Plus there is a lot that goes on that no one on this board is privy to as far as recruiting goes.

That is a solid point.

Right now we only have ONE battle tested point guard on the team. I think Liebs is going to be a solid PG but we can't expect him to put in minutes like Riley did his senior year( where he never leaves the court). We start talking about certain guys we should go after once someone on the team leaves for whatever reason but we need to think what our priorities are which is finding another ball handler. I don't know if you guys read the article I posted earlier today but Edwards might only use one of these schollys this season and that is going to a guard of some sort.

I don't think anyone here thinks they know everything that's going on with recruiting and a lot of it is private like you said. But what Itsuckstobeacsuram is saying 90% of the time we have a pretty good idea of who we are going after. Twitter is a great source not only because of the coaches throwing out hints but there is a TON of recruiting feeds you can also follow that have better inside knowledge then we do. Not to mention all the other recruiting sites out there. Not saying we don't miss things but with the amount of guys on this site that follow this shit with a fine tooth comb. We typically have a pretty good idea.

 

[WestWYOPoke]

Sellers played at Western in Rock Springs, and Dalton is a Wyoming Juco alum as well. If our coaches find a guy they like, they'll go after him. And just because some guys spend 1-2 years in the state doesn't give us any advantage over another D1 school. Actually, for those playing in Gillette, it probably gives us a disadvantage. Those kids probably want to get as far away as possible, haha.

Maybe thats the problem. This staff would rather go after Sellers and Dalton than Boucher and Bigby-Williams.... I have no illusion that being instate means we have first dibs or a better chance but having a 5% chance is better than NO CHANCE when we don't offer them....

Again, how do you know we didn't? It doesn't make sense to chase our tails (and wasting resources) going after kids who have no interest in Wyoming. Both of those kids attracted high-major attention early in their recruitment. It isn't hard to envision a call from a Wyoming staffer getting a response along the lines of "thanks but no thanks" and everyone moving on. Stop acting like everything you see on Twitter is the sum total of Wyoming's recruiting efforts.

You don't think we would go watch them before we called? A couple of trips to Powell or Gillette is a helluva lot cheaper than Florida or California. Good grief.

Absolutely. Do you think the coaching staff sees every recruit in person before they talk to them?? For some, sure, but not every kid. They probably see video and stats to determine an initial level of interest, call the kid and chat, then see them in person before offering. For all we know, the staff may have called him and he told them to F*** off and that was the end of it.

 

[cali2wyo]

Another point that needs to be made is that when we went after Boucher it was only because Sellers scholarship opened up if I remember correct.

Don't think that's true. Sellers left during his senior year, not before it.

 

[DVDA]

Another point that needs to be made is that when we went after Boucher it was only because Sellers scholarship opened up if I remember correct. So if it wouldn't have then we would have never went after him anyways. So acting like we waited too long to go after Boucher is false. It is because we had no scholarships before that.

As far as Williams goes there was no way we were getting him either but again only reason people starting looking at him was because Trey Washington's scholarship opened up. Before that there was no scholarship. So we would have had to start recruiting him far too late to try to get him and by that time he was already getting offers from a bunch of high majors.

The only one that would have been a possible option would have been this last guy that went to Boise St.

You guys need to look at the situations that were happening at the time rather than just saying Wyoming didn't recruit them. When you try to recruit players that are high major types but get a late start (being more than half the season is already gone) only because another guy quits your team or gets kicked off and that is why you have an open scholarship then it is going to be damn hard to even have a chance at having the kid listen to one word you have to say.

Plus there is a lot that goes on that no one on this board is privy to as far as recruiting goes.

The team over-signed this year even when they didn't have a scholarship open because they were planning ahead for attrition. The kid wasn't eligible or whatever which is why they still only have one guy, but they were planning on signing him. The team continues recruiting even when they don't have scholarships open. They either didn't think they had a chance or weren't interested in these guys. Just because they spend a year or two at a Wyoming juco doesn't mean they have any ties or interest in UW. They're both international guys who probably didn't know Wyoming existed until they came here for basketball. I disagree with the staff plenty, but I don't see how anyone can be upset that they didn't get these guys or make major pushes for them.

 

[NowherePoke]

Sellers played at Western in Rock Springs, and Dalton is a Wyoming Juco alum as well. If our coaches find a guy they like, they'll go after him. And just because some guys spend 1-2 years in the state doesn't give us any advantage over another D1 school. Actually, for those playing in Gillette, it probably gives us a disadvantage. Those kids probably want to get as far away as possible, haha.

Maybe thats the problem. This staff would rather go after Sellers and Dalton than Boucher and Bigby-Williams.... I have no illusion that being instate means we have first dibs or a better chance but having a 5% chance is better than NO CHANCE when we don't offer them....

Again, how do you know we didn't? It doesn't make sense to chase our tails (and wasting resources) going after kids who have no interest in Wyoming. Both of those kids attracted high-major attention early in their recruitment. It isn't hard to envision a call from a Wyoming staffer getting a response along the lines of "thanks but no thanks" and everyone moving on. Stop acting like everything you see on Twitter is the sum total of Wyoming's recruiting efforts.

Does that mean we should stop recruiting Parker Stewart?

The key is that Stewart is interested in the Pokes. We have started to recruit a lot of high level recruits through the years (Perkins, Diallo, Stone, etc. and probably many more we don't know about), but in the end we weren't recruiting them when they made their decision. Why? Because they had already let it be known that they weren't interested in UW. There is no point in continuing to recruit someone that has no interest.

 

[NowherePoke]

Sellers played at Western in Rock Springs, and Dalton is a Wyoming Juco alum as well. If our coaches find a guy they like, they'll go after him. And just because some guys spend 1-2 years in the state doesn't give us any advantage over another D1 school. Actually, for those playing in Gillette, it probably gives us a disadvantage. Those kids probably want to get as far away as possible, haha.

Maybe thats the problem. This staff would rather go after Sellers and Dalton than Boucher and Bigby-Williams.... I have no illusion that being instate means we have first dibs or a better chance but having a 5% chance is better than NO CHANCE when we don't offer them....

I don't know if we went after Bigby-Williams but we definitely went after Boucher we were in is final 5 or 6 last year before he decided to go to Oregon

From what I understand, we entered that race very late and never really had a shot. I could be wrong though

We were on him before Oregon was and at one stage he had a list of 5-6 final schools and were on it. We weren't early by any means (USU was though and they never really got a look) and we never got an official visit so I don't think we were close, but we were involved.

 

[NowherePoke]

Sellers played at Western in Rock Springs, and Dalton is a Wyoming Juco alum as well. If our coaches find a guy they like, they'll go after him. And just because some guys spend 1-2 years in the state doesn't give us any advantage over another D1 school. Actually, for those playing in Gillette, it probably gives us a disadvantage. Those kids probably want to get as far away as possible, haha.

Maybe thats the problem. This staff would rather go after Sellers and Dalton than Boucher and Bigby-Williams.... I have no illusion that being instate means we have first dibs or a better chance but having a 5% chance is better than NO CHANCE when we don't offer them....

Again, how do you know we didn't? It doesn't make sense to chase our tails (and wasting resources) going after kids who have no interest in Wyoming. Both of those kids attracted high-major attention early in their recruitment. It isn't hard to envision a call from a Wyoming staffer getting a response along the lines of "thanks but no thanks" and everyone moving on. Stop acting like everything you see on Twitter is the sum total of Wyoming's recruiting efforts.

You don't think we would go watch them before we called? A couple of trips to Powell or Gillette is a helluva lot cheaper than Florida or California. Good grief.

We did go to Powell (on the state plane and everything) and offered Boucher a scholarship. We probably went to Riverton as well (Dalton) but I never saw that reported.

 

[NowherePoke]

Another point that needs to be made is that when we went after Boucher it was only because Sellers scholarship opened up if I remember correct.

Don't think that's true. Sellers left during his senior year, not before it.

It was Tyrell Williams leaving that opened up a scholarship.

 

[NowherePoke]

Another point that needs to be made is that when we went after Boucher it was only because Sellers scholarship opened up if I remember correct. So if it wouldn't have then we would have never went after him anyways. So acting like we waited too long to go after Boucher is false. It is because we had no scholarships before that.

As far as Williams goes there was no way we were getting him either but again only reason people starting looking at him was because Trey Washington's scholarship opened up. Before that there was no scholarship. So we would have had to start recruiting him far too late to try to get him and by that time he was already getting offers from a bunch of high majors.

The only one that would have been a possible option would have been this last guy that went to Boise St.

You guys need to look at the situations that were happening at the time rather than just saying Wyoming didn't recruit them. When you try to recruit players that are high major types but get a late start (being more than half the season is already gone) only because another guy quits your team or gets kicked off and that is why you have an open scholarship then it is going to be damn hard to even have a chance at having the kid listen to one word you have to say.

Plus there is a lot that goes on that no one on this board is privy to as far as recruiting goes.

The team over-signed this year even when they didn't have a scholarship open because they were planning ahead for attrition. The kid wasn't eligible or whatever which is why they still only have one guy, but they were planning on signing him. The team continues recruiting even when they don't have scholarships open. They either didn't think they had a chance or weren't interested in these guys. Just because they spend a year or two at a Wyoming juco doesn't mean they have any ties or interest in UW. They're both international guys who probably didn't know Wyoming existed until they came here for basketball. I disagree with the staff plenty, but I don't see how anyone can be upset that they didn't get these guys or make major pushes for them.

I agree, but for the record we did make a big push for Boucher.

 

[poke_addict]

Finally some news on actual recruiting since this post got bumped. 6-4 guard originally from Canada
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/729512917733920768[/tweet]

 

[poke_addict]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI9OfWET4Ro[/youtube]

 

[poke_addict]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gatorsfamily/status/727178524956721153[/tweet]

 

[seattlecowboy]

Another point that needs to be made is that when we went after Boucher it was only because Sellers scholarship opened up if I remember correct.

Don't think that's true. Sellers left during his senior year, not before it.

It was Tyrell Williams leaving that opened up a scholarship.

Yeah you are correct. After I had typed it I started thinking that might not be right about Sellers but I was too lazy to look it up and figured one of you guys would correct me. lol

It was Tyrell.

My point still stands to some of these guys though that we have to look at the situation at the time and that scholarship didn't open up until halfway or more through the season.

After listening to coach Edwards talk on that video in Rock Springs it does sound like they weren't ever really trying to recruit the JC ranks that hard and that is probably why Boucher or Williams wasn't contacted earlier if they thought they could make any impact. Sounds like that is going to change somewhat though.

 

[Cowduck]

To address a few previous messages:

My overall point is that I have faith that the coaching staff does their due diligence and if there's an in-state JC guy that fits the program's needs they make an effort, but they don't waste their time if it is obviously not going to work out. But they don't have a leg up on in-state JCs like some people on here think, and in-state JCs are not necessarily easier for the staff to recruit than other players, so we can dispense with the fucking rending of garments every time one of them goes to another program. When a player like Jaycee Carroll or Hunter Thompson gets away, I get it, because those guys have real ties to the state. Your average 19-20 year old JC basketball player has none.

Someone asked if we should give up on Parker Stewart: Obviously not, because he continues to express real interest in playing at Wyoming. My point is not that we should never compete with high-major programs for players, but we shouldn't chase shadows if we're told we're not in the running.

Honestly, the second-guessing of our staff on issues like this based on what they see on the internet is just goddamned baffling to me. A player like Boucher goes to Oregon and some people on here see it as an obvious failure of the program. You don't know everything about what recruiting efforts are made, not by a long shot, and I'm going to go ahead and trust the judgment of the professionals more than that of Joe Q. Boardposter at any rate.

 

[laxwyo]

I was being a smart as when I said we should give up on Parker Stewart given the mentality of the previous post


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[TSpoke]

To address a few previous messages:

My overall point is that I have faith that the coaching staff does their due diligence and if there's an in-state JC guy that fits the program's needs they make an effort, but they don't waste their time if it is obviously not going to work out. But they don't have a leg up on in-state JCs like some people on here think, and in-state JCs are not necessarily easier for the staff to recruit than other players, so we can dispense with the fucking rending of garments every time one of them goes to another program. When a player like Jaycee Carroll or Hunter Thompson gets away, I get it, because those guys have real ties to the state. Your average 19-20 year old JC basketball player has none.

Someone asked if we should give up on Parker Stewart: Obviously not, because he continues to express real interest in playing at Wyoming. My point is not that we should never compete with high-major programs for players, but we shouldn't chase shadows if we're told we're not in the running.

Honestly, the second-guessing of our staff on issues like this based on what they see on the internet is just goddamned baffling to me. A player like Boucher goes to Oregon and some people on here see it as an obvious failure of the program. You don't know everything about what recruiting efforts are made, not by a long shot, and I'm going to go ahead and trust the judgment of the professionals more than that of Joe Q. Boardposter at any rate.

:thumb:

 

[Wyolie Coyote]

To address a few previous messages:

My overall point is that I have faith that the coaching staff does their due diligence and if there's an in-state JC guy that fits the program's needs they make an effort, but they don't waste their time if it is obviously not going to work out. But they don't have a leg up on in-state JCs like some people on here think, and in-state JCs are not necessarily easier for the staff to recruit than other players, so we can dispense with the fucking rending of garments every time one of them goes to another program. When a player like Jaycee Carroll or Hunter Thompson gets away, I get it, because those guys have real ties to the state. Your average 19-20 year old JC basketball player has none.

Someone asked if we should give up on Parker Stewart: Obviously not, because he continues to express real interest in playing at Wyoming. My point is not that we should never compete with high-major programs for players, but we shouldn't chase shadows if we're told we're not in the running.

Honestly, the second-guessing of our staff on issues like this based on what they see on the internet is just goddamned baffling to me. A player like Boucher goes to Oregon and some people on here see it as an obvious failure of the program. You don't know everything about what recruiting efforts are made, not by a long shot, and I'm going to go ahead and trust the judgment of the professionals more than that of Joe Q. Boardposter at any rate.

If we build relationships with the in-state JUCO coaches, we should have a leg up. And judging by Edwards' comments, Shyatt wasn't too interested in recruiting from the JUCO ranks so hard to say we couldn't have drawn interest from Boucher or Williams if we are engaged in their recruitment.

 

[Cowduck]

If we build relationships with the in-state JUCO coaches, we should have a leg up. And judging by Edwards' comments, Shyatt wasn't too interested in recruiting from the JUCO ranks so hard to say we couldn't have drawn interest from Boucher or Williams if we are engaged in their recruitment.

Fair enough, but it's just as easy to establish relationships with JC coaches not in Wyoming is my point.

 

[Cowboy Junky]

This is good timing. With the recent agreements the junior colleges have made with UW, it should be possible to get some of them to come to Laramie. Before it wasn't. Their credits didn't transfer.

 

[stymeman]

Pat Rafferty (our Coach Rafferty's oldest son, from Buffalo Junky) is the hc at Central in Riverton, there's a contact